Let me try my best to encourage everyone to separate this from Imperfects VS community.

If I skilled into tanks, the OB presents a specific problem for me. The almost instant heavy damage on a single place I view as broken. As has been mentioned, though not specifically enough, the OB is too simple to achieve. Now you tell me that I can only practice with my miltia or cheap versions of what I skill in to. I say this in the most humble way possible... it may be the reason the IMPs have great success in Corp matches is because we use Corp gear often. I run prototype gear in Pubs with the end game to understand my equipment and improve on it and my game play accordingly. Not to go 30 and 0. Those are meaningless numbers. Some people stroke themselves but not all of us. Then in a Corp match against great teams like the bunnies I know where I have to be to make my insanely specific rolled laser work like the light saber everyone thinks it is. Some bunnies will attest to this. Humbly... we should be able to practice with high end gear. We can afford to lose it and do, but if there is a broke mechanic let us fix it.
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Community, can you honestly say after my squad attempts many AV attacks on a great tanker a reasonable option is too use WP earned to call a strike to do the job for me? I honestly gain 3 to 4 OB's on accident in a skirmish game when running with a squad of IMPS. If you honest answer is yes then I can not say much more.

Some thoughts on a fix? If you think it needs it.
A controlled letter acts as a shield against OBs...safe zone feature that Noc mentioned like AAA in MAG is genius.
A warning that we all deem reasonable.
A module specific to OB hardening.
A higher WP number top earn.
Weaker and stronger versions of OB according to WP earned...5000 gives type A,7500 gives type B.

Remember tanks can cost upwards of millions. You bring in your super tank and rock my squad...I run and call multiple OB's and kill it? Seems off to me. Remember WP to OB is currently very easy.
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I'll keep this as succinct as possible.
I like the thought of either:
1. a feature like mortar battery/AAA like in MAG. (requiring you to capture/destroy an asset before you can drop strikes)
OR
2. adjusting the WP requirement. Perhaps keeping the current WP (2500, if I'm not mistaken) for a "weaker" strike. Still fatal to infantry, but only capable of heavily damaging an HAV and then a "stronger" OB than can kill EVERYTHING. (perhaps requiring 5000WP)

That said, I still think that the tankers are complaining because they don't want to get their HAVs blown up, more so than the guise of "game balance" Look, we all can lose expensive fits in battle. They may seem like "cheap" deaths, or unfair, but they happen to all of us. A good tanker, can go 10 matches without losing a tank (especially in pubs). They may have gone a dozen matches, but they get a "cheap" death by orbital. **** happens.

Expensive infantry fits, cost much less, but happen more often. A really good infantry player, may be accostumed to going 30-2, or 40-3, etc etc. They may have a match where they go 20-6. This would be a "bad" match for them. More costly, because enemy team had 3 HAVs on the map, perhaps the player died because they go for objectives and were RE'd a couple times. Perhaps the were orbitaled. Point is, they will occasionally lose more in a match than they expect.

Same result... **** happens.

I really don't think the OB is much of a "problem" as it is.

So if you guys are this bent out of shape over the dinky little precision strikes we have now, what are you going to say when Dread's start bombarding entire districts?

I'm done arguing with you. But It is pretty obvious that you are just another imperfect crying that they got killed. OBS are not that easy to get. The most I have gotten is 3 with a 4 man squad of my corps best players. They do not have a huge AOE and if you fit your tank correctly you will be able to survive one. We both know if you were an assault drop suit user you would be QQing that tanks were OP or heavies or whatever killed you. Just because you are an imperfect does not mean you shouldnt die.
Im out bye bye all

What sort of warning do the infantry get for your tank sitting on a hill sniping them?

You're a nobody who appears to see nothing beyond a tag out of spite and envy. You can't be done with something you never started. You ranted sure, but nowhere beyond "I don't care since it doesn't hurt me" did you present anything approaching an argument.

The problem is there has not been one good argument made against the arguments made regarding the OBS. All arguments against the topic has been essentially HTFU or "I dont care cause it doesnt cost me much if I die from it". What arguments do you guys have showing that the OBS should stay exactly as they are? Currently they are a free, extremely powerful, easy to obtain, no warning, or indication of incoming (1 second between the light/sound and the first strike is hardly more then a look your screwed light) strike that will basically eliminate virtually everything in its AOE.

Our proposal is that this does not seem right and there should be a time delay between the warning light and the first strike of greater duration then a second. Currently 5 seconds seems like it would be enough time to at least try to get out of the area but still fast enough that if you arent on the ball your dead (even then you might die anyway). If CCP comes back and says actually strikes are working exactly as we wanted them to as we want them to eliminate everything in the area and not be hard to obtain in a match. Well then the argument is over CCP is designing the game they want to see and if that is what they want we cant argue with it other than to as they say HTFU or leave. However until CCP actually says that this is up for debate. Personally I would like someone to put forth a better argument then the red herrings or HTFU arguments that abound on this thread. I am actually very open to others opinions and if you have valid points I could possibly change my mind.........so convince me.

The problem is there has not been one good argument made against the arguments made regarding the OBS. All arguments against the topic has been essentially HTFU or "I dont care cause it doesnt cost me much if I die from it". What arguments do you guys have showing that the OBS should stay exactly as they are? Currently they are a free, extremely powerful, easy to obtain, no warning, or indication of incoming (1 second between the light/sound and the first strike is hardly more then a look your screwed light) strike that will basically eliminate virtually everything in its AOE.

Our proposal is that this does not seem right and there should be a time delay between the warning light and the first strike of greater duration then a second. Currently 5 seconds seems like it would be enough time to at least try to get out of the area but still fast enough that if you arent on the ball your dead (even then you might die anyway). If CCP comes back and says actually strikes are working exactly as we wanted them to as we want them to eliminate everything in the area and not be hard to obtain in a match. Well then the argument is over CCP is designing the game they want to see and if that is what they want we cant argue with it other than to as they say HTFU or leave. However until CCP actually says that this is up for debate. Personally I would like someone to put forth a better argument then the red herrings or HTFU arguments that abound on this thread. I am actually very open to others opinions and if you have valid points I could possibly change my mind.........so convince me.

The problem is there has not been one good argument made against the arguments made regarding the OBS. All arguments against the topic has been essentially HTFU or "I dont care cause it doesnt cost me much if I die from it". What arguments do you guys have showing that the OBS should stay exactly as they are? Currently they are a free, extremely powerful, easy to obtain, no warning, or indication of incoming (1 second between the light/sound and the first strike is hardly more then a look your screwed light) strike that will basically eliminate virtually everything in its AOE.

Our proposal is that this does not seem right and there should be a time delay between the warning light and the first strike of greater duration then a second. Currently 5 seconds seems like it would be enough time to at least try to get out of the area but still fast enough that if you arent on the ball your dead (even then you might die anyway). If CCP comes back and says actually strikes are working exactly as we wanted them to as we want them to eliminate everything in the area and not be hard to obtain in a match. Well then the argument is over CCP is designing the game they want to see and if that is what they want we cant argue with it other than to as they say HTFU or leave. However until CCP actually says that this is up for debate. Personally I would like someone to put forth a better argument then the red herrings or HTFU arguments that abound on this thread. I am actually very open to others opinions and if you have valid points I could possibly change my mind.........so convince me.

And that gets back to my point:

What mission does CCP see for the OB?

It's a great DUST/EVE connection, and it fulfills that part very well.

But beyond that, what is it supposed to be for? Is it supposed to be "fair" or not? If so, just what constitutes fair?

Is it supposed to be "fair" or not? If so, just what constitutes fair?

In a game, an element that you have no skill-based way to protect yourself from, is clearly broken.

god you drew me back...
I in no way envy you ROFL the thought is hilarious
and I repeatedly told you a way to counter the OB (fit tank properly) which you completely ignored for your ignorant comments about how Its soooo op.
Believe me obs do hurt me
i have died plenty of times to them.
but guess what?
i can use them too
So cool your **** and think before you speak IMP

I recall discussion many weeks back about tanks and OB's where CCP suggested that there would be ways to pin tanks down for destruction by OB's. That suggests CCP considers the warning to be good enough for tanks to get out from under them if they are paying attention. That would put them in the "fair warning" to run away or get under cover category.

We can debate whether or not that is true, and it probably depends upon just where you parked. I've personally seen a tank escape from Sniper's Peak by driving off the edge and falling down the mountain side, repping all the way down. It then drove around the back and up to continue its reign of terror.

That's a bad example, that mountain messes with the spread of the OB. If you are lucky it will only hit you once. But again we are talking about luck trumping everything which is deeply wrong for a game IMO.

I feel that the OB works as is intended. Adding a longer wait time or a warning would make it less effective. It is supposed to be a game changing weapon that can destroy the opposition holding a particular point wether it is infantry or vehicles.

if your tank is camping one area, just not moving enough, or your driver is too predictable it derserves to be blown to hell.

you have to remember also, that many squads are using their one and only OB that match to destroy your equipment.

so i think it works fine the way it is. there is not enough reason to change it.

It's a starting point in a discussion with CCP. If they want it to be fair warning then you start asking how much is required to get out of a reasonable situation. You then have to define a reasonable situation, and that gets into how much of an out you need leave yourself. From there it's a matter of calculating acceleration and velocity to determine how much time you require.

The mountain in question is an extreme exception, and the only one as of right now. Also, in regards to that old discussion, it is clear that CCP did not want them to reach out and kill indiscriminately on the map. That is how they operate now. You do not need eyes on a target, you do not need a "tackle", you just point and kill.

Right now orbitals are free and can easily destroy everything but high level armor tanks. This is due to the combination of their high damage, huge radius, long duration, and short warning.

Something needs to give, and I think a longer delay between use and landing would help. Because right now it's pointless to use anything above a sica, and that's counter-intuitive with the SP investment I have made.

Personally I think it should be:

Call-in

5 sec

Warning

5 sec

Hits

That way they would take a lot more skill or teamwork to be used effectively, instead of free kills.

Edit: it's in general because I want to get some preliminary opinions before posting a full suggestion in the feedback subforum.

NO! Bad Noc!

Long warnings would makes them useless. It is good that they lowered the wait time to what it is. Before it did not take much longer and yet people where able to scatter and avoid getting hit.

You guys in the Imperfects are a group of solid players. Do not lessen public opinion about yourselves by always asking for the game to be made easier for you guys. Too often it seems that if it kills an imperfect, you guys consider it OP. I know you guys do not need that. You don't need it to be easier.