I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ

I lose 70k+ per heavy fit I lose. and that's with the type 1, with an MH-82 (not the aur one) HMG. I have nothing above level 3, most of my stuff is standard.

I'm expecting the price to continue jumping sharply, especially as I upgrade suits.

I seem to have better luck with armor heavy survivability than the shield heavy. Go figure.

u mad bro?

Here's a hint, aim for the head and heavy's drop like a stone. Take it from a heavy, their fine just the way they are.

We are a slow moving turret, flank and kill.

But, most likely CCP will listen to people without any skill and nerf the heck out of anything that will kill a militia suiter.

are you serious, i will take the easy kills all day long, watch the video, and you will see

They're easy kills because you're engaging a bunch of blueberries in militia crap at optimal range.

You can put anything in that setting and make it look easy.

The solution is getting good and not dying.

I have killed several "good" players with the build, in fact, was chicagocubsfan for life not subject to the hmg this round?

taken for granted my grenade did a doozie, but yes...i have killed many better players with this build.

Pub stomp much?

You where in a pub game with one opposing player at your level and the rest where newberries.

Way to go. (golf clap) Clap... clap...

Try it in a corp battle or against two squads of seasoned players and you'll be singing a different song.

Heavy and HMG are fine.

you are living proof that the world is not getting any smarter. Your troll post gets a 1/10 from being so very unoriginal and tired that I heard it playing multiplayer quake as a teenager.

I demand a higher quality of troll. quit being a derp, and I said I live in armor heavy over shield. i'd say I've gotten pretty good at it.

Uhm... who were they?

I saw one Heavy and a scout, and then a bunch of people in militia assault fits. And the Heavy wasn't even at half health when you started shooting at him.

And the Scout just sort of walked up to you.

ok, and all the "great" heavies do not pub stomp, and get the massive amounts of kills from FW only? please

They don't pubstomp and take it as a sign that they're weapon is OP.

I've seen guys in dropships go 30-0. Same with tanks.

And Mass drivers.

And Assault Rifles.

So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches.


Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits.

ok dont pub stomp...do you even play ambush? or dust for that matter?

Yeah.

I'm not telling you not to pubstomp, I'm telling you why your logic sucks.

the AR is nerfed

Honesty is the best policy!!!!!! The HMG is a beast !!!!!!

LOWRATE, KUDOS for having the testes to say something. we all know it. Dont do something now and when those boys go Proto Gun and Suit, you wont stand a chance.

I think its RANGE. The range is a lil bit to long for the fatboys and the HMG. I also feel they are SUPPOSED to hose ppl at closer ranges. look at them, I dont wanna stand 40 meters close to those ugly fat serial killers. All they are gonna do is NOM NOM NOM and guess who is for dinner? YOU the SCOUT, YOU the ASSAULT guy, and YOU the LOGI. It could also be the turning speed. Fatboys spin awfully fast.

Thx Lowrate for putting it out there. Tried to have a conversation about it in game, but it got shot down, as to say the Heavy is ok, and I need a fix. loooool +1 from me

Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ?

So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed?

man, its either they are op or not, we are talking about the HMG...seriously,not the AR

Sure we do, but we don't go around making posts about it because we understand the imbalance of the scenario. Heavy T2 with HMG and a good amount of passives will pub stomp newbarries all day long. But, when facing other equal lvl toons/corps/squads, it all balances out.

Just another reason why CCP needs to make the battle maker work so it separates the newberries from others with more SP.

Post your score when you go up against some sqauds of PFBH, SI, SyN, STB or heck, even 843 and we'll see how ya do.

No We are using your logic to have a debate about the hmg using the same reasoning you gave about it being overpowered cause someone killed a lot of people. If we continue the same logic , and apply that to the AR then we would have to say they are overpowered as well.

If someone goes 54-0 with something is it overpowered too. Cause there are many players that have done that with AR

why are you stuck on AR? this is not about AR..AR topic is >>>>>>>>that way

No We are using your logic to have a debate about the hmg using the same reasoning you gave about it being overpowered cause someone killed a lot of people. If we continue the same logic , and apply that to the AR then we would have to say they are overpowered as well.

If someone goes 54-0 with something is it overpowered too. Cause there are many players that have done that with AR

Hahhahhaa I remember the AR was on the chopping block looool. Some posts were " stop crying and Nerf the darn thing" looool. Revenge is sweet. Stop crying let ccp fix the range a lil and maybe make the thing overheat a lil more ...... lol

Dont cry, EMBRACE your tweak. FatBoy its your turn, it will all be ok soon, accept it. looool

No!

Hahhahhaa I remember the AR was on the chopping block looool. Some posts were " stop crying and Nerf the darn thing" looool. Revenge is sweet. Stop crying let ccp fix the range a lil and maybe make the thing overheat a lil more ...... lol

Dont cry, EMBRACE your tweak. FatBoy its your turn, it will all be ok soon, accept it. looool

A single flux grenade will screw them over.

USE THEM.

I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ

..... intresting, very short, simple and directly to the point I`ll just kudo even though its best to give resoning xD

This post and video are pure truth. Excellent commentary too, you sound like a cool dude

We need to make this vid viral amongst the Dust community, I rock an assault suit with an AR 100% of the time, and while I have been shouting for a HMG nerf for quite a while, I never got a front-row seat on what it's actually like (I very briefly played with a HMG a few builds back, but that was it).

But wow, point and click is a perfect way to describe it, as the reticle is quite large. So you simply fit a player in that circle, fire, and they magically disappear. Heavies have massive health, the HMG has loads of ammo, massive magazine capacity, and gets more accurate the longer it is shot?... how could anybody not think this was OP?

As an AR player, I can (and do) get dropped instantly by militia AR's, I get hit a few times from any weapon and my heath is hurting. As an AR player I pretty much have to be an athlete of epic proportions due to all the bobbing, weaving and strafing I have to do to stay alive (yet still make bullets hit). Not to mention I can't just spray-and-pray, I have to be accurate and make every last bullet count. Even out of the heavies range it takes almost two clips to take down a decently speced heavy with my GEk and two complex damage mods, and that's if they just stand there and lets me soak bullets into them without running to cover.


I really hope CCP does something to the HMG soon.

The perfect example of another brainless COD player beating the dead horse.

Honestly, your trying to use THAT video for proof on why the HMG is"overpowered"?
Pathetic.

First, let me point out that EVERY kill you received in the first 60 seconds of gameplay was due to a
Good flanking maneuver. I didn't see a single enemy even turn toward you. Seriously? A newberrie with a normal AR could've gotten those kills. Real "op."

Second, the kills you received where people were actually shooting at you were all within FIVE METERS. If you had strapped an AR to this heavy, you would've had the SAME effect!!! See this is the perfect example of how whiners dislike using that wonderful
Brain God gave them. Do you truly think killing someone within
10 metes while using a HMG makes the gun OP? (If I might add, he was in a group most of the time
To.)


No, I don't think you do. I think your just to lazy to take the time to figure out HOW to kill a heavy (yes, that sentence had 4 infinitives. Do not judge me.)



Get over it.

I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ

Your video and attempted 'body of proof' is an absolute joke. You could have gotten those kills just as easily, and actually a lot faster in most cases if you had been using an Assault Rifle. Maybe, just maybe, before you whine and complain and QQ on the forums about it, you could take the time to figure out how to counter it, and you might have an enlightened viewpoint.

That said, if you're actively going to campaign against the HMG, please stop. I have a feeling that a large amount of "HMG IS OVERPOWERED!!" threads, regardless of how credible, are going to kill the weapon.

Go back to Call of Duty if you can't handle class variation.

Hi, newberrie here (day 3)

Please ccp don't nurff the heavies.

Yes they are ripping people a new one because people keep running at them head on.

Come across a heavy, out flank them/nad them.

Come across a sniper, out flank them and get in close.

Let this be a game where instead of nurffing weapons so they have no definable roll, let this be a game where weapons are given a clear advantage but with tactics and skill you can over come.

Sorry I don't know how to say what i want to say clearer >_<

The perfect example of another brainless COD player beating the dead horse.

Honestly, your trying to use THAT video for proof on why the HMG is"overpowered"?
Pathetic.

First, let me point out that EVERY kill you received in the first 60 seconds of gameplay was due to a
Good flanking maneuver. I didn't see a single enemy even turn toward you. Seriously? A newberrie with a normal AR could've gotten those kills. Real "op."

Second, the kills you received where people were actually shooting at you were all within FIVE METERS. If you had strapped an AR to this heavy, you would've had the SAME effect!!! See this is the perfect example of how whiners dislike using that wonderful
Brain God gave them. Do you truly think killing someone within
10 metes while using a HMG makes the gun OP? (If I might add, he was in a group most of the time
To.)


No, I don't think you do. I think your just to lazy to take the time to figure out HOW to kill a heavy (yes, that sentence had 4 infinitives. Do not judge me.)



Get over it.

sounds like you need to get off your own high horse, and on my assault class, i have no problem taking a heavy down, and yes i will continue to use my alt heavy and wreck with it.

you tell me to go back to COD when I have been on dust prob as long as you? seriously?I will stay, and say as I choose, bottom line!

Did anyone else catch that? He said "he has an easy time killing heavies.". So your just whining for
The heck of it? Disappointing. Since you failed to
Refute any point in my argument, then by logic, my points are valid.

If you manage to make a video where you walk head on into 5 guys, and manage to kill them all singlehandedly, then we'll consider if the HMG is OP.


Until then, your wasting your breath with bad facts

I think militia shotguns are more op, especially when paired with the speed of scout suits.
Everybody is always picking on the fat guy.

I wouldn't be against the militia shotgun taking a damage hit. The things would one-shot my Type-II Heavy suits before the open beta. Higher tier shotguns should retain most, if not all, of their damage though.

you are living proof that the world is not getting any smarter. Your troll post gets a 1/10 from being so very unoriginal and tired that I heard it playing multiplayer quake as a teenager.

I demand a higher quality of troll. quit being a derp, and I said I live in armor heavy over shield. i'd say I've gotten pretty good at it.

i turn a corner in my heavy...BOOM! dead...WTF!?!?!, oh, militia scout with shotgun, sigh, 50000 isk down the drain.

I hate when that happens.

He never engages alone.

Engages practically all militia geared people.

Most of the people he kills don't even fire at him.

Engages in the optimum range pretty much all the time with a weapon that is designed around being a room-clearer.

The weapon must be OP.

And I'd like to point out that I'm running Logi medic, the portrait is just from a character I was too nostalgic to delete.

like i said, it is what it is. it is op for a new player to be able to come into the game and have this much power and dominance over other classes that have the same amount of sp invested in the build....we can debate all day on it. And Betamax, I have my gimp suit tight and it puts work in,and have no complaints about production, so thanks for the offer, but I hold my ground on it being op

I enjoy running type II heavy with the HMG, I love it, and I laugh when I mow people down due to there being little that can be done about it from the majority of players. As for well put together squads, if 4 men cant take one heavy down....something is wrong 0o...in which yeah, 4 people can easily do it working together, of course you will be able to take one down under those circumstances.

You're simply wrong. You're mowing people down in your low SP heavy simply because the other team sucks, and not because it's overpowered against evenly skilled opponents.

What's the difference between a newly started heavy vs a newly started assault and then an experienced heavy vs an experienced assault?

If the low SP assaults wake up and play smart then they can easily take down the low SP heavy. If they keep engaging the low SP heavy in it's optimal range one at a time they're screwed, but again, how is that any different than a dedicated assault going up against a dedicated heavy (other than the fact that proto assault > proto heavy)?

I disagree about the HMG being over powered. Its a situational weapon, pug matches against inexperienced players create the situation not the weapon. its the same for tanks and any md or lazer or ar worth his salt. inexperienced players die a lot, get used to it.

If people would pay attention and look for tanks md lazers and miniguns it would not be a problem

Maybe they should take away militia ar's or give everyone militia pre built drop suits of every weapon? give them like 50 of each of every suit/weapon that way players will use the other weapons and learn counters.

At the end of the day all of the OP's arguments are simply made invalid by this alone "Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore" Which is what we should all do. The vets have all spoken out and correctly and eloquently stated their case. This is nothing more than someone who got lucky in one game filled with the worst/newest players this game has ever seen and is jabbering on about things he has no real experience with. Bottom line OP your green is showing, you have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok it's understandable and forgivable. My advice give it more time and more testing and get some real in depth game experience before you decide to call foul and request nerfs. If you think something should be nerfed get a consensus first from experienced vets before ya make a thread calling for nerfs. It's ok tho as I said I know your new so it's forgivable. As I said before BetaMax will be releasing Tutorial videos for new player like yourself. I really hope you watch them, they can help you and your perspective greatly.

At the end of the day all of the OP's arguments are simply made invalid by this alone "Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore" Which is what we should all do. The vets have all spoken out and correctly and eloquently stated their case. This is nothing more than someone who got lucky in one game filled with the worst/newest players this game has ever seen and is jabbering on about things he has no real experience with. Bottom line OP your green is showing, you have no idea what you're talking about, but that's ok it's understandable and forgivable. My advice give it more time and more testing and get some real in depth game experience before you decide to call foul and request nerfs. If you think something should be nerfed get a consensus first from experienced vets before ya make a thread calling for nerfs. It's ok tho as I said I know your new so it's forgivable. As I said before BetaMax will be releasing Tutorial videos for new player like yourself. I really hope you watch them, they can help you and your perspective greatly.

Thing is, balance is nonexistant right now mainly cause so many noobs at the moment can make anything look overpowered. Assault Rifle showed up most on the kill feed, yet no one complains about them.

one game? seriously? you have no clue whatsoever.

Everything if OP vs nubs with no skills and no clue.

Heavy is pretty good for it's intended roles and little else.

Heavy with LAV is OP

the only way i can answere that question honestly is months down the road if i get proto, at this juncture though, compared to others suites only the same sp lvl, this one dominates on almost every aspect except speed. have you tried hmg with sensitivity turned to 100?

You don't need the proto heavy suit to tell it's useless against other proto suits. I'll just drop this link here.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48414

lolprotoheavy..such a joke of a suit.

but in regards to balancing anything and saying something is OP....how bout we stop balancing stuff in pub matches? Everyone knows that a lot of the new players right now are ridiculously easy to kill with anything..and lack many brain cells (standing in front of a tank shooting it with an ar for example).

Balancing should be left to corp match data, where there are 2 coordinated teams. If something just completely dominates there, then yes, it needs adjusted.

We need to make this vid viral amongst the Dust community, I rock an assault suit with an AR 100% of the time, and while I have been shouting for a HMG nerf for quite a while, I never got a front-row seat on what it's actually like (I very briefly played with a HMG a few builds back, but that was it).

But wow, point and click is a perfect way to describe it, as the reticle is quite large. So you simply fit a player in that circle, fire, and they magically disappear. Heavies have massive health, the HMG has loads of ammo, massive magazine capacity, and gets more accurate the longer it is shot?... how could anybody not think this was OP?

As an AR player, I can (and do) get dropped instantly by militia AR's, I get hit a few times from any weapon and my heath is hurting. As an AR player I pretty much have to be an athlete of epic proportions due to all the bobbing, weaving and strafing I have to do to stay alive (yet still make bullets hit). Not to mention I can't just spray-and-pray, I have to be accurate and make every last bullet count. Even out of the heavies range it takes almost two clips to take down a decently speced heavy with my GEk and two complex damage mods, and that's if they just stand there and lets me soak bullets into them without running to cover.


I really hope CCP does something to the HMG soon.

and how does this statement refute the fact that the HMG needs nerffing?

lolheavyprotosuit...talk about a worthless suit. Arguably the most useless Proto suit in the game.

So basically a heavy that plays his role, CQC combat, is OP? Great logic guys!

By that logic Snipers should be nerfed because they shoot from far away and get kills.

Assault rifles should be nerfed because they're too over all! Killing at CQC and mid range...can't have that, as it's playing it's role.

Nerf the shotguns because they're not suppose to kill at point blank.

Nerf SMGs because they're not suppose to kill at close range either!

Nerf tanks, because they're not suppose to take any hits. AR's are suppose to kill tanks.

Nerf dropships because they're not suppose to fly people to objectives and provide cover.

In fact, let's just make this an all out AR game. Just drop every class and gun, because apparently using an AR and Assault suit is "skillful".

I can't comprehend the logic of people. If you face a heavy 1v1 IN HIS OPTIMUM ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO DIE. . Unless he's a bad heavy or damaged already.

It's like facing a sniper when he's up in the mountains...what you going to do? 1v1 him with your AR a mile away? I realize logic in this forum means nothing, as once you're not using an AR, you're a "scrub", but the lack of any logic shows the level of intelligence in this forum.

Clearly not knowing how to use the Vk. 1 to it's full potential...

Put a complex speed mod, a complex armor repairer, 2 complex shields, and a complex damage mod/shield recharger.

Clearly not knowing how to use the Vk. 1 to it's full potential...

Put a complex speed mod, a complex armor repairer, 2 complex shields, and a complex damage mod/shield recharger.

Um you were just the one that said its easy to kill a heavy. You idiot

Once again do yourself a favor and start watching these http://www.youtube.com/user/betamax514?feature=watch I don't care if anyone else watches its not my channel, and it's not my videos, but it is my corps videos. If it helps you and prevents people like you from posting frivolous nerf requests in the future then they've done their job. I'm only posting this link here for you OP because you need it.

You don't need the proto heavy suit to tell it's useless against other proto suits. I'll just drop this link here.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48414

type 2 is good because armor does not passively regenerate lacking mods, but shields do, Having used the BPO millita heavy, once someone gets you low on health even if your shields come back you are basically neutered. So its basically good to solo in, heavy's with 650 armor can be better tankers with remote reps, but that takes away the solo game.

Not sure why type 2 should get a nerf, its just trading shield for armor, different play-style different preferences. If local reps were not so ridiculously underpowered to shield regen more people would solo armor tank.

Having played a heavy because I got interested by the video, I can say that it is pretty fun, I get more kills (sometimes) but over all, I get the same exp and isk from playing all milita gear logi combining WP for kills and reps, and revives.

A heavy is powerful with HMG, but it is not invincible, it fills a role that is easy to do, so it has its appeal.

You only posted video from one game where you didn't get so much as 20 kills against harsh newbies, I've gone at least 22-4 with just the enforcer assault set. I do know what I'm talking about as I have played for quite a few builds now. Do your homework son BetaMax is one of the first corps in this game. I don't need views or to impress other vets. I'm just trying to save you from your own ignorance because you don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ya need to stop acting so butthurt and quit calling for nerfs when no nerfs are needed. You need to learn how to play the game and I am simply trying to give you an opportunity to do that. So do yourself a favor and quit letting your pride do all the talking for you.

I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ

Calls skirmish "scrimage"

All I needed to hear to know you are completely full of ****.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1rTmshevsE OMgee you guise, shotgun is so op

i can care less what you THINK, getting pretty petty that you have to start dissing how someone pronounces a word.

Thats not mispronunciation, thats clearly not knowing WTF you are talking about.

I know what I am talking about, I have trouble proniuncing the word skrimish, if you have a problem with that ,move on!

I have dealt with petty ass haters and trolls all my life, so do not think there is anything that can be said that can really make me give 2 fuks, capiche?

I know what I am talking about, I have trouble proniuncing the word skrimish, if you have a problem with that ,move on!

I have dealt with petty ass haters and trolls all my life, so do not think there is anything that can be said that can really make me give 2 fuks, capiche?

Nope, i think I am tried of repeating myself due to people being lazy and not reading through 7 pages of poo, ya dig, and we went over the skrimish ordeal about 5 posts back, are you that petty as well?

Everyone has inspired me to continue posting videos in the Type II HMG build I have, next video road to gold, how to lone wolf it and be in it to win it! goal 5.0 K/D current 3.40 ish , I clearly see no problem doing it!

Still dont know how to Spell It? S K I R M I S H the R comes after the I Not Skrimish but Skirmish.



I think Tanks are OP your inspired by videos have inspired me to make some vidoes, My goal 30.0 K/D

How many ISK does it take to put out a hit on a lowratehitman?

Here is an ISK, kid. Go buy yourself a life.

Learn to play or stick to Easy Birds.

Im not worried about no stinking HIT! Keeps me from chasing the enemy, makes them come to me 0o

in my weak 600k isk build

i wanna know why the hell people are saying the HMG is over powered wow. Ya know what caliber does the HMG shoot hmmmm im pretty sure its anywhere from a 7.62 to a .50 caliber. So yes the HMG should be one of the most powerful guns in the game. And i dont give a dam what ya'll think cause no matter what you say the .50 well take a limb off of anything you shoot at. So if ya'll wanna ***** about certain guns then do it to your mommy cause we heavy users dont give a **** and just take it like a trooper and figure out a different game plan to take ME down.

Just saying if you use a HMG and you die more than twice in a game, you are probably really bad.

Yeah I specced into HMG's last build just to try it out. Some guy with and AR started shooting me, so I went to take a shower, I went to school, I came back home, I ate dinner, and by the time I got back to dust I was at half health and I just sprayed him with my HMG and laughed.

Stupid forum ate my post....

Basically, HMG needs a serious range nerf / accuracy nerf at range, aside from the assault HMG, since that's garbage already. It also needs to have a faster heat up rate, so you actually have to juggle your bursts to maintain optimal dps and not overheat.

For haha's I made a Type I Heavy with a Pistol and an SMG, went 8/0 the only time I used it

(Oh, and I'm a full time HMG heavy, trust me, this thing is too easy to use. I make it my life's work to kill all HMG heavies I see, even periodically committing suicide by dropping into a sea of red dots, taking as many down with me as I can (which is usually quite a few, the HMG is a thing of glory in crowded CQC, as it should be

This post and video are pure truth. Excellent commentary too, you sound like a cool dude

We need to make this vid viral amongst the Dust community, I rock an assault suit with an AR 100% of the time, and while I have been shouting for a HMG nerf for quite a while, I never got a front-row seat on what it's actually like (I very briefly played with a HMG a few builds back, but that was it).

But wow, point and click is a perfect way to describe it, as the reticle is quite large. So you simply fit a player in that circle, fire, and they magically disappear. Heavies have massive health, the HMG has loads of ammo, massive magazine capacity, and gets more accurate the longer it is shot?... how could anybody not think this was OP?

As an AR player, I can (and do) get dropped instantly by militia AR's, I get hit a few times from any weapon and my heath is hurting. As an AR player I pretty much have to be an athlete of epic proportions due to all the bobbing, weaving and strafing I have to do to stay alive (yet still make bullets hit). Not to mention I can't just spray-and-pray, I have to be accurate and make every last bullet count. Even out of the heavies range it takes almost two clips to take down a decently speced heavy with my GEk and two complex damage mods, and that's if they just stand there and lets me soak bullets into them without running to cover.


I really hope CCP does something to the HMG soon.







! 1000000000000000000000% agree. I am a a AR user use a typ3 2 assualt armor sometimes Sever logi armor and you hit the point spot on. take time to TRY and run or move from hmg and or try to take them out with a GEK and it wont work. they could have less range, heat up quicker have more recoil something to make this gun not so OP! I hope this nerf comes soon!

This post and video are pure truth. Excellent commentary too, you sound like a cool dude

We need to make this vid viral amongst the Dust community, I rock an assault suit with an AR 100% of the time, and while I have been shouting for a HMG nerf for quite a while, I never got a front-row seat on what it's actually like (I very briefly played with a HMG a few builds back, but that was it).

But wow, point and click is a perfect way to describe it, as the reticle is quite large. So you simply fit a player in that circle, fire, and they magically disappear. Heavies have massive health, the HMG has loads of ammo, massive magazine capacity, and gets more accurate the longer it is shot?... how could anybody not think this was OP?

As an AR player, I can (and do) get dropped instantly by militia AR's, I get hit a few times from any weapon and my heath is hurting. As an AR player I pretty much have to be an athlete of epic proportions due to all the bobbing, weaving and strafing I have to do to stay alive (yet still make bullets hit). Not to mention I can't just spray-and-pray, I have to be accurate and make every last bullet count. Even out of the heavies range it takes almost two clips to take down a decently speced heavy with my GEk and two complex damage mods, and that's if they just stand there and lets me soak bullets into them without running to cover.


I really hope CCP does something to the HMG soon.

like i said, it is what it is. it is op for a new player to be able to come into the game and have this much power and dominance over other classes that have the same amount of sp invested in the build....we can debate all day on it. And Betamax, I have my gimp suit tight and it puts work in,and have no complaints about production, so thanks for the offer, but I hold my ground on it being op

I enjoy running type II heavy with the HMG, I love it, and I laugh when I mow people down due to there being little that can be done about it from the majority of players. As for well put together squads, if 4 men cant take one heavy down....something is wrong 0o...in which yeah, 4 people can easily do it working together, of course you will be able to take one down under those circumstances.

You only posted video from one game where you didn't get so much as 20 kills against harsh newbies, I've gone at least 22-4 with just the enforcer assault set. I do know what I'm talking about as I have played for quite a few builds now. Do your homework son BetaMax is one of the first corps in this game. I don't need views or to impress other vets. I'm just trying to save you from your own ignorance because you don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Ya need to stop acting so butthurt and quit calling for nerfs when no nerfs are needed. You need to learn how to play the game and I am simply trying to give you an opportunity to do that. So do yourself a favor and quit letting your pride do all the talking for you.

I'm new and not very good and I melee HMG heavies to death, your argument is invalid.

new how new character account? gtfo melee yea from behimd when the heavy is distracted ..u aint trying that when he sees you..

HMG is not OP but the heavy class needs to be tweaked and more balanced.
For starters they are way to fast, movement speed should be reduced.
There should be no sprint at all.