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lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:26:00 - [31] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: lowratehitman wrote: Panoscape wrote: Pub stomp much? You where in a pub game with one opposing player at your level and the rest where newberries. Way to go. (golf clap) Clap... clap... Try it in a corp battle or against two squads of seasoned players and you'll be singing a different song. Heavy and HMG are fine. ok, and all the "great" heavies do not pub stomp, and get the massive amounts of kills from FW only? please They don't pubstomp and take it as a sign that they're weapon is OP. I've seen guys in dropships go 30-0. Same with tanks. And Mass drivers. And Assault Rifles. ok dont pub stomp...do you even play ambush? or dust for that matter?
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:27:00 - [32] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:28:00 - [33] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: ok dont pub stomp...do you even play ambush? or dust for that matter? Yeah. I'm not telling you not to pubstomp, I'm telling you why your logic sucks.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:30:00 - [34] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: lowratehitman wrote: ok dont pub stomp...do you even play ambush? or dust for that matter? Yeah. I'm not telling you not to pubstomp, I'm telling you why your logic sucks. for one it is not logic, it is called doing, in which I do. The hmg is op and needs nerfed. you are talking pub stomp and blah blah, when in truth, if you was on the end of that hmg, you would have been mowed down as well.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:31:00 - [35] - Quote Sure we do, but we don't go around making posts about it because we understand the imbalance of the scenario. Heavy T2 with HMG and a good amount of passives will pub stomp newbarries all day long. But, when facing other equal lvl toons/corps/squads, it all balances out. Just another reason why CCP needs to make the battle maker work so it separates the newberries from others with more SP. Post your score when you go up against some sqauds of PFBH, SI, SyN, STB or heck, even 843 and we'll see how ya do.
Dust Clone 514 Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 3	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:31:00 - [36] - Quote Honesty is the best policy!!!!!! The HMG is a beast !!!!!! LOWRATE, KUDOS for having the testes to say something. we all know it. Dont do something now and when those boys go Proto Gun and Suit, you wont stand a chance. I think its RANGE. The range is a lil bit to long for the fatboys and the HMG. I also feel they are SUPPOSED to hose ppl at closer ranges. look at them, I dont wanna stand 40 meters close to those ugly fat serial killers. All they are gonna do is NOM NOM NOM and guess who is for dinner? YOU the SCOUT, YOU the ASSAULT guy, and YOU the LOGI. It could also be the turning speed. Fatboys spin awfully fast. Thx Lowrate for putting it out there. Tried to have a conversation about it in game, but it got shot down, as to say the Heavy is ok, and I need a fix. loooool +1 from me
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:33:00 - [37] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ? So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed?
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:34:00 - [38] - Quote Dust Clone 514 wrote: Honesty is the best policy!!!!!! The HMG is a beast !!!!!! LOWRATE, KUDOS for having the testes to say something. we all know it. Dont do something now and when those boys go Proto Gun and Suit, you wont stand a chance. I think its RANGE. The range is a lil bit to long for the fatboys and the HMG. I also feel they are SUPPOSED to hose ppl at closer ranges. look at them, I dont wanna stand 40 meters close to those ugly fat serial killers. All they are gonna do is NOM NOM NOM and guess who is for dinner? YOU the SCOUT, YOU the ASSAULT guy, and YOU the LOGI. It could also be the turning speed. Fatboys spin awfully fast. Thx Lowrate for putting it out there. Tried to have a conversation about it in game, but it got shot down, as to say the Heavy is ok, and I need a fix. loooool +1 from me actually turning the sensitivity up to 100 is the key to using the heavy for fast turning
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:34:00 - [39] - Quote I see thigns a little diffrenty, heavys are monsters that are beastly with support by a logi, otherwise they will be torn down by cordinator or a shutgun. i will not mention the victom of my expience/ eample since its not neccisary but she a talanted heavy/HMG and spends alot in that role so this wasn`t some noob. in 3 (1 battle and that 1 towards this 1 players nvm mind the other to HMGs running the map)occasions I charged her and she would open fire but i would always jump out of turn speed range (may i advice boosting Vigor, endurence and mobility?) she would then die by my militia SG. Another thing is, ranged fight I tend to win with my Exile even though I`m assualt. The Heavys, and heavys alone opperate heavy weapons, no one else can carry such behemouth weapons. The heavys cannon carry equiptment at all, upgraded the lv of dropsuits don`t have much of a diffrence except cost. They in a way seem like pets, you heal them, give them food and drive them around. sorry i`m getting tired and above I didn`t format my writting that well so might aswell have Wolfman here say it better: 1:00 mark. Also theres a LAA statue on the table in the beginning >.>
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:35:00 - [40] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ? So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed? man, its either they are op or not, we are talking about the HMG...seriously,not the AR the ar is a totally diff video in which i will show how the nerf is actually backwards on the AR.nerf should affect the lower tier ar and as you progress to better ar the nerf should lighten.

HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:41:00 - [41] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ? So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed? man, its either they are op or not, we are talking about the HMG...seriously,not the AR No We are using your logic to have a debate about the hmg using the same reasoning you gave about it being overpowered cause someone killed a lot of people. If we continue the same logic , and apply that to the AR then we would have to say they are overpowered as well. If someone goes 54-0 with something is it overpowered too. Cause there are many players that have done that with AR
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:41:00 - [42] - Quote Panoscape wrote: Sure we do, but we don't go around making posts about it because we understand the imbalance of the scenario. Heavy T2 with HMG and a good amount of passives will pub stomp newbarries all day long. But, when facing other equal lvl toons/corps/squads, it all balances out. Just another reason why CCP needs to make the battle maker work so it separates the newberries from others with more SP. Post your score when you go up against some sqauds of PFBH, SI, SyN, STB or heck, even 843 and we'll see how ya do. its not about posting scores, it is what it is, i know it did not go over your head.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:42:00 - [43] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ? So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed? man, its either they are op or not, we are talking about the HMG...seriously,not the AR No We are using your logic to have a debate about the hmg using the same reasoning you gave about it being overpowered cause someone killed a lot of people. If we continue the same logic , and apply that to the AR then we would have to say they are overpowered as well. If someone goes 54-0 with something is it overpowered too. Cause there are many players that have done that with AR why are you stuck on AR? this is not about AR..AR topic is >>>>>>>>that way I cant help it if you are not humble enough to admit that a 600k sp fit or lower is op
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:47:00 - [44] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: why are you stuck on AR? this is not about AR..AR topic is >>>>>>>>that way He's simply making a point because it's the easiest to relate to, we've all seen it. I watch shotguns and snipers and lasers and HMGs and hell even sub machine guns from time to time do it, though AR is definitely the most common. HMG just needs less range and faster heat build up, though no range nerf to the assault HMG, it's fine where it is (aka, really situational)
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:47:00 - [45] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: lowratehitman wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits. the AR is nerfed Huh.? So if the AR was nerfed why do so many more aR people go 30-0 ? So AR people going 30-0 is ok cause it was nerfed? man, its either they are op or not, we are talking about the HMG...seriously,not the AR No We are using your logic to have a debate about the hmg using the same reasoning you gave about it being overpowered cause someone killed a lot of people. If we continue the same logic , and apply that to the AR then we would have to say they are overpowered as well. If someone goes 54-0 with something is it overpowered too. Cause there are many players that have done that with AR have you every played a class besides heavy the past 4 builds? just curious
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 443	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:47:00 - [46] - Quote No!
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:48:00 - [47] - Quote The discussion is about balance, you are trying to convince us the hmg is overpowered, the only reasoning you have given is that you emotionally feel its overpowered and conclude that because of your emotions and sensitivity to being shot by an hmg they it needs to be nerfed. I am trying to balance facts with your emotions and have real discussion based on facts not how you fell about the weapon. The only facts you have given to support your nerf of the hmg is that it kills a lot of people. And I'm saying so does the AR.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:49:00 - [48] - Quote 3/10 It took me a minute to catch on, but you're just being transparent now.
Dust Clone 514 Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 3	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:59:00 - [49] - Quote Hahhahhaa I remember the AR was on the chopping block looool. Some posts were " stop crying and Nerf the darn thing" looool. Revenge is sweet. Stop crying let ccp fix the range a lil and maybe make the thing overheat a lil more ...... lol Dont cry, EMBRACE your tweak. FatBoy its your turn, it will all be ok soon, accept it. looool
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:03:00 - [50] - Quote I had a game where I went 45-3 with an Exile AR. I guess we should nerf it so I cant do that anymore. Dust Clone 514 wrote: Hahhahhaa I remember the AR was on the chopping block looool. Some posts were " stop crying and Nerf the darn thing" looool. Revenge is sweet. Stop crying let ccp fix the range a lil and maybe make the thing overheat a lil more ...... lol Dont cry, EMBRACE your tweak. FatBoy its your turn, it will all be ok soon, accept it. looool Open beta members can be so ******** at times.

Dust Clone 514 Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 3	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:05:00 - [51] - Quote AR has already Been there and Nerfed that, and added Recoil, nothing left to do with it........... This is about the Fatboy and his HMG hahhahhahahaahhhahhaa EMBRACE YOUR FUTURE FATMAN>>>>>> CCP will NUETER you soon enuff.!!!!!!
Darth Tyrannnus Citadel Mercantile Exchange Amarr-Caldari Mercantile Exchange 26	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:06:00 - [52] - Quote almsot allways spec into heavy, and yes, while powerful, this inly occurs in close to bid range, snipers and AR can still kill us, just be smart, dont take us head on. sick and tired of people yelling "NERF THE HEAVY, THEY KILL US IN A HEAD ON FIGHT!!" that's our strength. slow as **** and can be outturned by anyone else. leanr more tactics than facing off and shooting us in the face(just makes us angry)
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:07:00 - [53] - Quote KingBabar wrote: No! ..... intresting, very short, simple and directly to the point I`ll just kudo even though its best to give resoning xD
Darth Tyrannnus Citadel Mercantile Exchange Amarr-Caldari Mercantile Exchange 26	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:18:00 - [54] - Quote Dust Clone 514 wrote: Hahhahhaa I remember the AR was on the chopping block looool. Some posts were " stop crying and Nerf the darn thing" looool. Revenge is sweet. Stop crying let ccp fix the range a lil and maybe make the thing overheat a lil more ...... lol Dont cry, EMBRACE your tweak. FatBoy its your turn, it will all be ok soon, accept it. looool it's been our turn several times, what is this? the third time people have called for it to be nerfef. i remember when you could kill somone half way accross the map with it. it's fine, leave it and figure out how to kill us(hint: dont run into our line of fire and think to outlast us)
Tau5 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:23:00 - [55] - Quote Protip: This game uses different classes. Certain classes and playstyles counter others. You don't always get to l0lnoSCOPEPWN every single thing you see. You got killed by an Heavy with an HMG? Congratulations, it's your fault. Heavy is supposed to succeed when confronted by only one person at a relatively close range. If you want to beat him, try actually employing strategy and improving your own skill. It's the most annoying thing in the world where people immediately want to make the game easier for them, and harder for other people. Heavy users killing me?? Let's make it impossible for them to do that, that way I can pretend I have skill. Seriously, get good at the game and improve upon your tactics before you ***** about your uncontrollable tears after dying.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:28:00 - [56] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: A single flux grenade will screw them over. USE THEM. YUP I think there needs to be an easier way to tell a suit is type 2. Becuase it's true, use a single emp grenade, and waste them. A lot of weapons do less damage to a heavy. Also lasers. There are a lot of noobs right now, but lasers will take down a type 2 heavy in moments. Ask the pink fully bunnies. ARs do less damage to shields and your shotting something with 500 shield hp, STOP USE YOUR BRAIN.
Kaserai Mandrag DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:40:00 - [57] - Quote The perfect example of another brainless COD player beating the dead horse. Honestly, your trying to use THAT video for proof on why the HMG is"overpowered"? Pathetic. First, let me point out that EVERY kill you received in the first 60 seconds of gameplay was due to a Good flanking maneuver. I didn't see a single enemy even turn toward you. Seriously? A newberrie with a normal AR could've gotten those kills. Real "op." Second, the kills you received where people were actually shooting at you were all within FIVE METERS. If you had strapped an AR to this heavy, you would've had the SAME effect!!! See this is the perfect example of how whiners dislike using that wonderful Brain God gave them. Do you truly think killing someone within 10 metes while using a HMG makes the gun OP? (If I might add, he was in a group most of the time To.) No, I don't think you do. I think your just to lazy to take the time to figure out HOW to kill a heavy (yes, that sentence had 4 infinitives. Do not judge me.) Get over it.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:45:00 - [58] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ This post and video are pure truth. Excellent commentary too, you sound like a cool dude We need to make this vid viral amongst the Dust community, I rock an assault suit with an AR 100% of the time, and while I have been shouting for a HMG nerf for quite a while, I never got a front-row seat on what it's actually like (I very briefly played with a HMG a few builds back, but that was it). But wow, point and click is a perfect way to describe it, as the reticle is quite large. So you simply fit a player in that circle, fire, and they magically disappear. Heavies have massive health, the HMG has loads of ammo, massive magazine capacity, and gets more accurate the longer it is shot?... how could anybody not think this was OP? As an AR player, I can (and do) get dropped instantly by militia AR's, I get hit a few times from any weapon and my heath is hurting. As an AR player I pretty much have to be an athlete of epic proportions due to all the bobbing, weaving and strafing I have to do to stay alive (yet still make bullets hit). Not to mention I can't just spray-and-pray, I have to be accurate and make every last bullet count. Even out of the heavies range it takes almost two clips to take down a decently speced heavy with my GEk and two complex damage mods, and that's if they just stand there and lets me soak bullets into them without running to cover. I really hope CCP does something to the HMG soon.
3 bird DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:46:00 - [59] - Quote Hi, newberrie here (day 3) Please ccp don't nurff the heavies. Yes they are ripping people a new one because people keep running at them head on. Come across a heavy, out flank them/nad them. Come across a sniper, out flank them and get in close. Let this be a game where instead of nurffing weapons so they have no definable roll, let this be a game where weapons are given a clear advantage but with tactics and skill you can over come. Sorry I don't know how to say what i want to say clearer >_<
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 443	Posted - 2013.01.27 06:47:00 - [60] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: KingBabar wrote: No! ..... intresting, very short, simple and directly to the point I`ll just kudo even though its best to give resoning xD OK, I'll elaborate. Only when getting the drop on someone at a relative short distance without me having cover or an escape route close by does the HMG wielder have the upper hand vs a decent AR user. In all other siuations the odds should be stacked against the fatsuit. Having twice the hitbox, the running speed equalling assault walking speed and no equipment slots are handicaps that shouldn't be ignored. @OP - Try working on cooking your nades



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