DUST Search - Heavy Type II with HMG over power Much?

lowratehitman wrote:

I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ

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lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:20:00 - [1] - Quote I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:23:00 - [2] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: I know, I know, beating the same old war drum, but hey, was the AR not on the chopping block? Indeed it was,and it was nerfed and put into its place. I am all about being honest with my opinions, and I truly feel the HMG needs to be nerfed once more. In the video link below you can see how easy it is to mow the enemy down in a build that has barely 600k sp invested in it, and not having reps as well. The class truly is just point and click and watch the meat fly,with nearly no skill needed. The class is fun indeed, but having assault as my main, and having near 1.8 mil sp invested in it strictly on the slayer type build, my lower level alt Heavy HMG class makes it look like a waste of time. I do give props to the dedicated Forge gunners, and will say patience and skill is needed for Forge sniping. I understand that alot of people will not agree with me, but I am cool with that, anything I am saying is not a lie, I can say that much for sure...enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW37vsY2NMQ It is really OP; but not for new guys who don't know how to spec in it (just a hint: passive skills FTW)
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:30:00 - [3] - Quote He never engages alone. Engages practically all militia geared people. Most of the people he kills don't even fire at him. Engages in the optimum range pretty much all the time with a weapon that is designed around being a room-clearer. The weapon must be OP. And I'd like to point out that I'm running Logi medic, the portrait is just from a character I was too nostalgic to delete.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:30:00 - [4] - Quote Just saying if you use a HMG and you die more than twice in a game, you are probably really bad.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2048	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote I went type II heavy HMG last build and it is one of the easiest things to play in game imo. It is very little skill you have to rely on and mainly gear even in comparison to other suits.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:37:00 - [6] - Quote I have a heavy alt at the moment Called unit 57 and his KDR is really gd right now but I think it's inflated due to all the paper thin militia gear around. A skilled gek user who knows a heavy weaknesses will still be a challenge unless you meet him in confined spaces
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:38:00 - [7] - Quote Posting in another transparent "nerf HMGs" thread #45214. I do of course think that when a heavy is supported properly and using a better-than-basic HMG the militia lemmings who stand still/charge/insist that they're master chief and try to club him over and over deserve what they get. I'm disappointed in you sleepy. Your crew makes chutney out of decent and good HMG players at range. This argument support is weak even for you. Especially when I've gone 6-8 in a row on newberries with a basic AR, constantly. Oh and it requires skill to kill more than one derp at a time. Seriously. heavies who aren't slick die almost instantly when faced with 3-4 people.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:40:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah I specced into HMG's last build just to try it out. Some guy with and AR started shooting me, so I went to take a shower, I went to school, I came back home, I ate dinner, and by the time I got back to dust I was at half health and I just sprayed him with my HMG and laughed.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:44:00 - [9] - Quote Skill with a heavy requires ammo management to know when to reload. situational awareness to avoid areas with sniper line of sight or open spaces and the ability to soak up fire effectively for ur team It does not however take skill to kill (at the moment)
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:47:00 - [10] - Quote HMG is fine. I chew through heavies all the time. How come? I don't stand in front of them like the people you killed in your vid ^

Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:53:00 - [11] - Quote You do realize that every heavy is bought, the gun is pricy, the suit is pricy. Yes they can murder many millita noobs but it is possible to kill them, I can lose 10 fossil logi suits for nothing, but kill a heavy and they lose 20-40-100k Over all I reach SP cap in a few ambush matches, 5000 exp av, close to 200k isk and costs me nothing. Though... does look fun, the vid makes a point that heavy class is pretty easy to use.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:55:00 - [12] - Quote A single flux grenade will screw them over. USE THEM.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:01:00 - [13] - Quote u mad bro? Here's a hint, aim for the head and heavy's drop like a stone. Take it from a heavy, their fine just the way they are. We are a slow moving turret, flank and kill. But, most likely CCP will listen to people without any skill and nerf the heck out of anything that will kill a militia suiter.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:02:00 - [14] - Quote I lose 70k+ per heavy fit I lose. and that's with the type 1, with an MH-82 (not the aur one) HMG. I have nothing above level 3, most of my stuff is standard. I'm expecting the price to continue jumping sharply, especially as I upgrade suits. I seem to have better luck with armor heavy survivability than the shield heavy. Go figure.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 391	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:03:00 - [15] - Quote When I was using my repair kit not hurting anybody, well apart from the 30 or so OB's , I and my friends were garbage and can't shoot. Now we are playing to go for kills, guns we use are broken. No wonder I come here rarely now.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:06:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I lose 70k+ per heavy fit I lose. and that's with the type 1, with an MH-82 (not the aur one) HMG. I have nothing above level 3, most of my stuff is standard. I'm expecting the price to continue jumping sharply, especially as I upgrade suits. I seem to have better luck with armor heavy survivability than the shield heavy. Go figure. The solution is getting good and not dying.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:07:00 - [17] - Quote Panoscape wrote: u mad bro? Here's a hint, aim for the head and heavy's drop like a stone. Take it from a heavy, their fine just the way they are. We are a slow moving turret, flank and kill. But, most likely CCP will listen to people without any skill and nerf the heck out of anything that will kill a militia suiter. are you serious, i will take the easy kills all day long, watch the video, and you will see
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:15:00 - [18] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Panoscape wrote: u mad bro? Here's a hint, aim for the head and heavy's drop like a stone. Take it from a heavy, their fine just the way they are. We are a slow moving turret, flank and kill. But, most likely CCP will listen to people without any skill and nerf the heck out of anything that will kill a militia suiter. are you serious, i will take the easy kills all day long, watch the video, and you will see They're easy kills because you're engaging a bunch of blueberries in militia crap at optimal range. You can put anything in that setting and make it look easy.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:16:00 - [19] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: lowratehitman wrote: Panoscape wrote: u mad bro? Here's a hint, aim for the head and heavy's drop like a stone. Take it from a heavy, their fine just the way they are. We are a slow moving turret, flank and kill. But, most likely CCP will listen to people without any skill and nerf the heck out of anything that will kill a militia suiter. are you serious, i will take the easy kills all day long, watch the video, and you will see They're easy kills because you're engaging a bunch of blueberries in militia crap at optimal range. You can put anything in that setting and make it look easy. I have killed several "good" players with the build, in fact, was chicagocubsfan for life not subject to the hmg this round? taken for granted my grenade did a doozie, but yes...i have killed many better players with this build.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:18:00 - [20] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: The solution is getting good and not dying. you are living proof that the world is not getting any smarter. Your troll post gets a 1/10 from being so very unoriginal and tired that I heard it playing multiplayer quake as a teenager. I demand a higher quality of troll. quit being a derp, and I said I live in armor heavy over shield. i'd say I've gotten pretty good at it.

Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:19:00 - [21] - Quote Pub stomp much? You where in a pub game with one opposing player at your level and the rest where newberries. Way to go. (golf clap) Clap... clap... Try it in a corp battle or against two squads of seasoned players and you'll be singing a different song. Heavy and HMG are fine.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 463	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:20:00 - [22] - Quote throw flux grenade, hit with ar, profit
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:21:00 - [23] - Quote and this is not the only video, what you want to see? 30-1? I have many doing the same thing, i have low matches with it, and matches getting owned. it does not take away from the fact that it takes little skill to use for the production it creates.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:22:00 - [24] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: I have killed several "good" players with the build, in fact, was chicagocubsfan for life not subject to the hmg this round? taken for granted my grenade did a doozie, but yes...i have killed many better players with this build. Uhm... who were they? I saw one Heavy and a scout, and then a bunch of people in militia assault fits. And the Heavy wasn't even at half health when you started shooting at him. And the Scout just sort of walked up to you.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:22:00 - [25] - Quote Panoscape wrote: Pub stomp much? You where in a pub game with one opposing player at your level and the rest where newberries. Way to go. (golf clap) Clap... clap... Try it in a corp battle or against two squads of seasoned players and you'll be singing a different song. Heavy and HMG are fine. ok, and all the "great" heavies do not pub stomp, and get the massive amounts of kills from FW only? please
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:23:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: The solution is getting good and not dying. you are living proof that the world is not getting any smarter. Your troll post gets a 1/10 from being so very unoriginal and tired that I heard it playing multiplayer quake as a teenager. I demand a higher quality of troll. quit being a derp, and I said I live in armor heavy over shield. i'd say I've gotten pretty good at it. Who cares how good you say you are? If you die more than once or twice while using a heavy, you have failed at DUST. Not trolling being completely serious.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:23:00 - [27] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: lowratehitman wrote: I have killed several "good" players with the build, in fact, was chicagocubsfan for life not subject to the hmg this round? taken for granted my grenade did a doozie, but yes...i have killed many better players with this build. Uhm... who were they? I saw one Heavy and a scout, and then a bunch of people in militia assault fits. And the Heavy wasn't even at half health when you started shooting at him. And the Scout just sort of walked up to you. ok, its your opinion, it is not op, and I was "pub" stomping with a 600k sp build....ok
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:24:00 - [28] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Panoscape wrote: Pub stomp much? You where in a pub game with one opposing player at your level and the rest where newberries. Way to go. (golf clap) Clap... clap... Try it in a corp battle or against two squads of seasoned players and you'll be singing a different song. Heavy and HMG are fine. ok, and all the "great" heavies do not pub stomp, and get the massive amounts of kills from FW only? please They don't pubstomp and take it as a sign that they're weapon is OP. I've seen guys in dropships go 30-0. Same with tanks. And Mass drivers. And Assault Rifles.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:24:00 - [29] - Quote Stupid forum ate my post.... Basically, HMG needs a serious range nerf / accuracy nerf at range, aside from the assault HMG, since that's garbage already. It also needs to have a faster heat up rate, so you actually have to juggle your bursts to maintain optimal dps and not overheat. For haha's I made a Type I Heavy with a Pistol and an SMG, went 8/0 the only time I used it (Oh, and I'm a full time HMG heavy, trust me, this thing is too easy to use. I make it my life's work to kill all HMG heavies I see, even periodically committing suicide by dropping into a sea of red dots, taking as many down with me as I can (which is usually quite a few, the HMG is a thing of glory in crowded CQC, as it should be
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:25:00 - [30] - Quote So if a guy goes 30-0 oR better with an AR then we should nerf them as well? Cause I run with guys that do that plus with an Ar all day every day. Including in corp matches. Wait I see tanks go 30-o all day too and guess what they are militia fits.



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