http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g

One of my main jobs in previous builds was to sneak up behind the Snipers and maul them to death with my AR (meele ftw) I still love to do that because they are so focused in shooting that there's no need to waste bullets on them (unless he/she already spotted you or if you're dealing with a Sniper with a Logi or Heavy Dropsuits, yes they exist) also I have experience with snipers against my Laser Rifle, of course they will always win in range but Sniperbro... dude, if you're in the optimal range of my LR run from me, don't stand right were you are shooting at me because you're not going to win... YES, there are Snipers like that and I just teach them the lesson "Dude, go to high ground and kill me, don't you CQC (unless he/she has a pistol or SMG) or try quickscope me with your rifle because you're gonna fail" I'm affraid we're going to see a lot of Snipers like that in the Open Beta...



This a thousand times... even more at the line of sight, if you're out in the open without a hill, a rock or something to cover and a Sniper is shooting at you... then you just deserve to die.

OH and anyone saying i'm just getting free kills why not acturally try sniping and see how well you do cause while it may be easy for me since I snipe in just about every fps game I play but there are many I have watched who could take like 10 shots and maybe hit the guy once and if you sneak up on me and kill me then good for you as I don't care about my warpoints or those so called free kills as my k/d means nothing to me I snipe for the pure sport of sniping and no one can tell me any different

I sniped all through Precursor and for about a week during Codex. In Precursor I had a couple thousand kills and 10.something KDR, and in Codex I had a few hundred kills and 13.89 KDR. You can try and act like KDR means nothing, but snipers are about the only role in the game where KDR is a useful metric for determining skill. So don't try and act as if you have some kind of authority on sniping unique to yourself.

That said, you are getting free kills for no effort.

Playing as a solo sniper versus playing as solo infantry now, I spend more on my equipment as infantry, I get fewer kills, and while I'll get more WP because I'll revive/hack as I go along, I do so while having a much greater challenge in front of me. Snipers shooting me, enemy infantry of all types, LAVs trying to run me over, turrets shooting me, grenade spam every game... it's pretty undeniable that infantry is a lot more difficult and has less of a pay-off.

Why should one of the safest roles in the game also be the most powerful, while requiring the least SP and being as hard as putting a dot on a target and pulling a trigger a couple times?

I sniped all through Precursor and for about a week during Codex. In Precursor I had a couple thousand kills and 10.something KDR, and in Codex I had a few hundred kills and 13.89 KDR. You can try and act like KDR means nothing, but snipers are about the only role in the game where KDR is a useful metric for determining skill. So don't try and act as if you have some kind of authority on sniping unique to yourself.

That said, you are getting free kills for no effort.

Playing as a solo sniper versus playing as solo infantry now, I spend more on my equipment as infantry, I get fewer kills, and while I'll get more WP because I'll revive/hack as I go along, I do so while having a much greater challenge in front of me. Snipers shooting me, enemy infantry of all types, LAVs trying to run me over, turrets shooting me, grenade spam every game... it's pretty undeniable that infantry is a lot more difficult and has less of a pay-off.

Why should one of the safest roles in the game also be the most powerful, while requiring the least SP and being as hard as putting a dot on a target and pulling a trigger a couple times?

KDR is as useful of a measurement of a sniper's skill as it is for anyone else. Bottom line is you can't use it since you don't know who is maintaining a high kdr while being useful and who is just padding with 10 kills per match. In a previous build I knew a sniper who had a KDR over 50, well over 1000 kills, and made 8-900 meter kills on plenty of occasions. I'm not saying he was a bad sniper at all but in many instances he would camp the same spot of the map for 3-10 kills per match. KDR is only useful to measure the progression of yourself, but in the long run it's too easy to get a high KDR while being useless for it to be a used to compare one player to another.

and it would seem you don't grasp you can kill me 100 times in a skirmish and I'm still gonna laugh as I don't care if you had a 100.0 kdr I snipe for the sport of sniping meaning I ain't sniping because I think it is hard I'm sniping because I find it fun so where ever your logic on what I said came from you can keep it to yourself

For me, sniping is the way I can be the most successful, and economical soldier possible, while at the same time helping my team as much as I can. The way I see it, my role is to deplete the enemy's clone supply, and cover whatever objectives I can. Plus I keep enemy snipers off my team by being constantly aware of common sniping spots.

If you're being sniped a lot, it is entirely your own fault. The majority of the kills I get are from enemy players making mistakes. The good players are the ones I almost never see, because they know the sightlines, and they never stay still. And don't think you're safe because your in an lav or dropship, I've sniped people out of both

When you put your reticule over a target you make it show up for your allies. There's your squad info. Killing the target keeps your allies alive, defends objectives that enemy might otherwise have taken, and gets you a kill. Seriously though, do you just kind of sit there and talk to people as a sniper primarily? Maybe I'm just weird, but I always tended to consider shooting people with a sniper rifle to be the role of a sniper.

There is no "should be". It's a game. The only "should be" is that it should be fun. Being one-hit-killed from 500 m wouldn't be fun. I know, because a couple builds ago it was easy to do just that as a sniper against most non-heavies with simple body shots. That is not good gameplay, and any attempt at realistic justification you may try is totally irrelevant.

I would think that's fun, so should that be implemented because we do not care about reality only fun?

In either case I didn't mention it to compare ***** sizes.

KDR isn't perfect but it's fairly good. The only real issue is that a supremely cautious sniper who only gets a couple kills a game and yet hardly ever dies might be indistinguishable from a more bold and talented sniper, who gets 20 kills a game but also between 1 and 2 deaths.

In either case I didn't mention it to compare ***** sizes. I don't care about what anyone's sniper stats are, because it's a hitscan gun which kills in ~2 hits from across the map. Excelling at uncomplicated tasks is generally not something noteworthy. Although I have no idea who you might be referring to with a KDR of 50. I didn't start paying attention to KDR until Precursor, when I set out to demonstrate how broken sniping is, and I didn't see anyone with a legitimate KDR that high. I guess he stopped playing sniper sometime during the summer.

My only point is that nobody here is in any great position of authority over the others. There have been a few fools attempting to patronize the rest of us, telling us we need to play sniper sometime to learn how to counter them, or acting as if sniping is some truly complicated endeavour and that we just don't understand it. It's total rubbish. Sniping is a braindead activity, and I have enough experience as a sniper to say that with a certainty. The people acting as if it's such a deep role and we just don't understand it are either fooling themselves or attempting to fool us.



Whatever the reason you snipe for, you're not any better at it than I am, and you aren't in a position to tell why this is thus, and what the reason for this thusness is, in regard to sniping.

I sniped all through Precursor and for about a week during Codex. In Precursor I had a couple thousand kills and 10.something KDR, and in Codex I had a few hundred kills and 13.89 KDR. You can try and act like KDR means nothing, but snipers are about the only role in the game where KDR is a useful metric for determining skill. So don't try and act as if you have some kind of authority on sniping unique to yourself.

That said, you are getting free kills for no effort.

Playing as a solo sniper versus playing as solo infantry now, I spend more on my equipment as infantry, I get fewer kills, and while I'll get more WP because I'll revive/hack as I go along, I do so while having a much greater challenge in front of me. Snipers shooting me, enemy infantry of all types, LAVs trying to run me over, turrets shooting me, grenade spam every game... it's pretty undeniable that infantry is a lot more difficult and has less of a pay-off.

Why should one of the safest roles in the game also be the most powerful, while requiring the least SP and being as hard as putting a dot on a target and pulling a trigger a couple times?

Simply because a sniper is not contributing to the objectives game in any other way than killing enemies to deter them from playing efficiently. If the main purpose of a sniper is to kill, therifle has to be damn overpowered at it. Otherwise any other role would be more important for the team.

just playing devils advocate here but... If your solution to snipers is "snipe them back" or "counter-snipe them" then doesn't that just prove that snipers ARE op in the same way people claiming you could counter tanks by calling in tanks of your own proved tanks were op a couple builds ago?

since when did I say anything about being better than you I pointed out that some snipers can't aim and as far as I can tell I didn't point fingers at anyone nor did I say I was better but hell if you want to live in this delusion and argue with me I will be more than happy to argue with you all day

People have to keep in mind with all these ballistic revisions that:

THIS IS A SCI-FI FPS

Sci-fi spits in the face of realism. Sniper rifles in the future can fire from miles away, assault rifles fire massive rounds that would in real life knock the person holding the gun flying but thanks to research in the sci-fi universe of EVE has just about the same recoil as real life assault rifles.

Our weapons are meant to overpowered to negate the protection of our drop suits which are also ridiculously tough.

If anything I think our weapons sound and feel like pea shooters instead of freaking arm cannons!

Is getting to him and being murdered by 5 snipers on that hill who have perfect view of you climbing fun?

Or at range where he only has his barely visible pixel sized head out but can see the whole of you very clearly?

Omg another stale thread about the same damn thing. I lost count. My popcorn got stale. And this one is a few pages long. Don't you guys get bored kicking this ball back and forth until it breaks?

If there are 5 Snipers on the hill, then there are less 5 players attempting to control points on the field, and you will win anyway. If it is ambush, then it really doesn't matter.

I'm not going to stop talking about sniper rifles until CCP decides to fix them. It's painfully obvious that they need to be totally reworked. I'm reminded of it every time I play Planetside 2, and use a sniper rifle that is actually designed to demand skill out of its user.



Most games there are ~5 snipers on both teams.

I hate to be the one to say this, but if you're constantly getting killed by snipers have you ever considered, you know, changing the way you play? Snipers are not OP. Snipers are extremely weak in any form of cqc and increasingly vulnerable at a medium range. That's the way it should be. At long range, snipers are at their strongest. At the risk of pointing out the obvious; the further away a sniper gets from the target, the smaller the target gets. This makes it very easy to avoid being sniped (especially if you know you're being targetted) by moving in an erratic and unpredictable manner, and increasingly difficult to hit a target. Have you ever tried sniping a target with an unpredictable movement pattern? It takes luck or a lot of skill to do consistently; a hell of a lot more than pointing and shooting with an AR. If you're standing still, you have nothing to complain about.