Is this in ambush or something? Ive never seen an objective without plenty of cover. If my team has 4 snipers its pretty much guaranteed were gonna get steamrolled, unless the other team is crippled too. Team death match is just a bunch of random crap with no strategy, snipers will always do well when only K/D matters.


Im learning the game and trying to get used to a mouse again. I die alot, but rarely to snipers.

I hate to be the one to say this, but if you're constantly getting killed by snipers have you ever considered, you know, changing the way you play?

You can get pretty similar KDR to tank users as a sniper, except you can run a militia sniper setup for free, while tanks cost at least 100k at their crappiest.

Gee whiz, what a brilliant idea. If only I'd have thought of "l2p nub" first!

My comments are not based on me frequently dying to snipers. I don't often die to snipers. I get wounded by snipers fairly often, but not killed. My opinion on snipers is, instead, based on my extensive experience as a sniper. I know how powerful, how little skill is required, and how safe being a sniper is. These factors don't add up. There's supposed to be a certain arithmetic to this stuff. A gun as powerful and easy to use as sniping should have some serious negatives. It doesn't. That's a problem.

But thanks for the amazing insight and brilliant tips on how to play this game, anyway. I'm sure all the people who've never played a video game before in their lives found your pro tips very educational.

Gee whiz, what a brilliant idea. If only I'd have thought of "l2p nub" first!

My comments are not based on me frequently dying to snipers. I don't often die to snipers. I get wounded by snipers fairly often, but not killed. My opinion on snipers is, instead, based on my extensive experience as a sniper. I know how powerful, how little skill is required, and how safe being a sniper is. These factors don't add up. There's supposed to be a certain arithmetic to this stuff. A gun as powerful and easy to use as sniping should have some serious negatives. It doesn't. That's a problem.

But thanks for the amazing insight and brilliant tips on how to play this game, anyway. I'm sure all the people who've never played a video game before in their lives found your pro tips very educational.

So basically your argument is "omg snipers are taking away my precious shieldz plz nerf"? I don't understand.

what's the problem? If you're not getting killed, how does that make sniping easy mode? I think its been covered quite elaborately in this thread that the value of a sniper doesn't come from their KDR, but communication and ability to deny an area to the enemy. Now i'm not 100% sure about this, but if you were hiding in the hills hundreds of meters away, crouching or lying down with a sniper rifle, wouldn't you expect to be reasonably "safe"? you're not visible and you're detached from the battle. of course you would.
No serious negatives? is that a joke? I don't know if you've noticed but have you tried using a sniper rifle at close/short-medium range? probability of a kill plummets while the probability of being killed sky rockets. qualifies as a "serious negative" to me. There are also visual cues giving away position, coupled with the fact that theres only 1 or 2 maps in which sniping can be done effectively without concern for other classes. I have spent a lot of time as a sniper, and a lot of time hunting snipers. *obviously* the threat of a sniper is determined by the skill of the person using it; Its a game mechanic easily adjusted for and I know I never worry about noobs wielding it.

But otherwise, cheers for the condescending and brattish response to my otherwise reasonable reply!

really. a thread about sniper rifles being OP? you're probably high

I think all these threads crying about other classes proves one thing.







The game.is balanced, every class is hated in equal measure,.it.has to be pretty balanced for that to happen.

Imo. The main weakness of a sniper is that they all need distance for long-term survival. With distance comes getting away from the frontline or a major objective as these areas are prone to flash assaults. Since the sniper is so far away all they can do is snipe, feed intel, and wait out a battle. If the battle really gets thick and the objective is about to be taken or the enemy team is pushing your team back with aggressive force, the sniper has low capabilities as they can't directly get into the frontline and help push the enemy back or help retake an objective.

I don't understand. what's the problem? If you're not getting killed, how does that make sniping easy mode?

You are having trouble comprehending what he is saying so I'll try to give it a go. As you said sniping from the hill top is reasonably "safe". The problem is there are no drawbacks to that safety you point and click just as you would at any range to the same effectiveness. There is no skill or risk involved what so ever to this method and I agree with him that it does not add up. Why should it be possible to avoid the risk other ground troops experience for less isk and without any downside. Are you beginning to understand.

Sniping is "easy mode" because it's very easy to snipe. Happy to help.

GÇ£I've learned nothing about friendship this week. In fact, my so called friend, "The Heavy" keeps taking all the medkits. He's not even that injured and I'm right there, ignited in flames, about to become a freaking cooked steak! If anyone should be sent to the moon, it would be him. I must leave now, there's a Blue Scout in the target range just waiting for one of my bullets to hit his skull.GÇ¥

~TF2 Sniper

Oh dear. I understood what he was saying you arrogant ****. MY point was that regardless of how good a snipers KDR is they are not "useful" and have trouble affecting the outcome of a match unless they are contributing to team goals i.e. overwatch of objectives, communicating enemy movements or generally providing specific area denial. This is a drawback of the class as it does not engage in combat the same way an assault or heavy class does (generally to push, capture or defend points by nature), and is very open to be used counter-productively. There is always some form of risk to a sniper, regardless of how relatively "safe" it is. If other snipers aren't hunting for you, then either you're not doing a very good job or they aren't. Maybe there should be another counter class, I personally don't see a problem with a class being its own counter but maybe that's just me.

Clearly still don't understand

It has nothing to do with being useful to your team and whether or not you are can't be viewed as a drawback to sniping since many people don't care.

Lets try again, Sniping is too easy, in order to fix that there needs to be added difficulty the more you exploit your range advantage. Yes being counter sniped is the only risk and probably will always be the only risk other than some vehicles, but it's easily avoidable and easy enough to get just as many if not more kills as any other form of infantry for less risk.

Added difficulty is required, example: Ballistics added and the return of sway between shots. That would be a good fix. I hope you understand the point now, if not nothing more I can do about you.

Ohhhh right. you're concerned about the KDR and not team mechanics! gotcha! people don't care? I hear all the time about how people have deadweight snipers not doing **** for the team, not helping with objectives. If not used correctly, a sniper is relatively useless. Of course that's relevant and is a good balancing mechanic. This is a team based game where corporations fight each other and are coordinated about it. It's not like hordes of snipers run amok crushing everything in their scopes in pub matches either.

I understand perfectly what you're saying. I just disagree.

Sniping is the art of creative Darwinism in action.

Now your just acting idiotic, I meant it's the snipers that don't care, they have an easy way to get kills for very few deaths so why should they care about the rest of the team?

Why do you disagree?

What are you, fuckin 12? abuse any opinion not your own? grow up mate. if the snipers don't care, and are just going for kdr, who gives a ****? let them go for their life. They will likely not receive any team support making them easier to kill and not make any meaningful contribution to the outcome of the game. I've generally found its not an issue as adapting my playing style so as not to get killed is not hard.

MY point was that regardless of how good a snipers KDR is they are not "useful" and have trouble affecting the outcome of a match unless they are contributing to team goals i.e. overwatch of objectives, communicating enemy movements or generally providing specific area denial.

yet apparently it's not so easy that you get killed frequently........

Also I'm not sure why you seem to think that a sniper should be forced to operate at short range.. that is not the role of a sniper and imo is a broken mechanic of other fps games. Why have a sniper class if you're forced to use it like any other.