DUST Search - About snipers

Fivetimes Infinity wrote:

R ainbow wrote:

Funny thing about snipers (this is coming from someone who primarily plays a logi), If they're stationary (which most snipers are) or kinda stay in the same area (which most snipers do) they will only have lines of sight to certain areas.

Solution: Learn the maps, learn the sight lines, avoid the snipers line of sight. Always works for me.

I completely believe you when you say you don't play a sniper. Sniper vantage points on most maps allow you to see huge areas at a time. When a sniper is able to shoot anything in a given third of the map, and can shoot the rest of the map if he repositions himself by walking a few metres, what exactly is the sight line you're avoiding? You could hide behind a box all game, but that only protects you from one side, and is probably not very fun.

The bottom line is that sniping is incredibly powerful, incredibly easy to do, places snipers in very little risk if they have a brain, and there is, realistically, nothing you can do as an infantry person other than ensuring you remain constantly in motion. Sniping is not fun to deal with as an infantry guy, as as the video points out, it adds nothing to the game other than causing you to randomly take damage or die with no recourse.

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Is killing a sniper fun?

Not really. You just walk up to them and shoot them and they die without a fight. Maybe they spam grenades before you drop them, but they're dead. It isn't a challenge to kill them and is only satisfying because snipers are annoying. Much of the time snipers are so far away from you, and in difficult terrain, and safely protected by their own team, that killing the sniper in a method other than through sniping them yourself is unrealistic.

Enkidu Camuel wrote:

This a thousand times... even more at the line of sight, if you're out in the open without a hill, a rock or something to cover and a Sniper is shooting at you... then you just deserve to die.

90% of the maps are open terrain. If you want to attack an objective, you need to cross open terrain. Using your logic, only the people hiding in the MCC are the ones who don't "deserve" to die to snipers. Boy, that surely sounds like a fun game to me, the one where you never move out of cover so that you don't get sniped.

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ArMaGeDoN The Cat Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 157	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:14:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 431	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:21:00 - [2] - Quote Is killing a sniper fun?
ArMaGeDoN The Cat Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 157	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:23:00 - [3] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Is killing a sniper fun? Is getting to him and being murdered by 5 snipers on that hill who have perfect view of you climbing fun? Or at range where he only has his barely visible pixel sized head out but can see the whole of you very clearly?
3nder Wigg1n Keepers of the Sacred Cloth 27	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:44:00 - [4] - Quote I'm glad you are all enjoying the services we snipers are providing for you. It's a dirty job really, but someone's gotta do it.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 157	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:47:00 - [5] - Quote 3nder Wigg1n wrote: I'm glad you are all enjoying the services we snipers are providing for you. It's a dirty job really, but someone's gotta do it. By services you mean bloating your KDR by sitting all day behind a rock and getting free kills?
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:48:00 - [6] - Quote It is fun when you sneak up behind them and kill them. I have not done it myself, but it seems fun to the other sniper who counter snipes him. Buddy of mine has gotten a kill at over 700m before. Funny thing is some snipers think you can't kill that far. I know they are wrong.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 431	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:57:00 - [7] - Quote ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Is killing a sniper fun? Is getting to him and being murdered by 5 snipers on that hill who have perfect view of you climbing fun? Or at range where he only has his barely visible pixel sized head out but can see the whole of you very clearly? Now you're being a drama queen. If a team is able to put five snipers in five different locations each watching over eachother, and not miraculously get killed in CQC, then that team is GOOD! I think you're just cranky because you died from a sniper, you can't snipe, so you got counter-counter sniped, and when you tried to sneak up on one you were ignorant enough to other snipers. Snipers snipe from a long distance away, that's how it works. You just want the damn nerf hammer. I walk behind enemy snipers all the time and get away with it. You're just pushing theoretical scenarios that happen so little in order to create a seemingly unbalance of snipers. Even your little video is in support of me. Snipers add a new force on the field, something players must be aware of and adapt their strategies accordingly. Snipers open up limitless tactical opportunities that players can engage in. Just turned your video against you.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.15 23:12:00 - [8] - Quote No, but it's fun to fire back with railgun installations. Ask gem cutter about that one.
achiever Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:17:00 - [9] - Quote omg i see post about this all the time its simpel counter snipe and if you cant do that get a lav and drive too somewhere near them get out and kill them these are thing you can do. now here it come what about the redline sinpers well there the ez ones too kill becuse they never move they think there safe so if you can see it there little head sticking out and you shoot them and you see it hit but no dmg move too your right or left and keep moveing and shooting at them you will hit them or make them move then you get your kill shot p.s here a hint try taping you sprint when running in the open changing your speed makes you harder too hit
jeremiah j Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:26:00 - [10] - Quote Actually sprinting does not make you harder to hit unless you are changing from sprinting to walking to sprinting in an unpredictable patern. The best way to be hard to hit is zig zag, go forward then backwards, swithch between running and walking. Basically do not set a Patern that is easy to set sights where you will be.

R ainbow Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:27:00 - [11] - Quote Funny thing about snipers (this is coming from someone who primarily plays a logi), If they're stationary (which most snipers are) or kinda stay in the same area (which most snipers do) they will only have lines of sight to certain areas. Solution: Learn the maps, learn the sight lines, avoid the snipers line of sight. Always works for me.
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 199	Posted - 2013.01.16 03:35:00 - [12] - Quote I think it is fun to have the snipers in the game. I like how I'll actually get pinned down by a sniper and I have to figure out a way to get outta there without being killed. Thats fun, to me at least.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 212	Posted - 2013.01.16 03:55:00 - [13] - Quote sway for snipers needs to act like resistances in eve, where you can get it up to 99.999 reduction but you will never get it to one hundred, this would bring snipers down from the hills, reducing the frustration of them. There should be moduals to reduce sway as well.
Integral Zan IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 46	Posted - 2013.01.16 04:27:00 - [14] - Quote Snipers currently can't reach a kilometer I think I maxed it at around 900 meters a few builds ago and at that distance if he gets you while your running and jumping around, especially if its a double tap, he deserves it.
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.16 05:04:00 - [15] - Quote One of my main jobs in previous builds was to sneak up behind the Snipers and maul them to death with my AR (meele ftw) I still love to do that because they are so focused in shooting that there's no need to waste bullets on them (unless he/she already spotted you or if you're dealing with a Sniper with a Logi or Heavy Dropsuits, yes they exist) also I have experience with snipers against my Laser Rifle, of course they will always win in range but Sniperbro... dude, if you're in the optimal range of my LR run from me, don't stand right were you are shooting at me because you're not going to win... YES, there are Snipers like that and I just teach them the lesson "Dude, go to high ground and kill me, don't you CQC (unless he/she has a pistol or SMG) or try quickscope me with your rifle because you're gonna fail" I'm affraid we're going to see a lot of Snipers like that in the Open Beta... R ainbow wrote: Solution: Learn the maps, learn the sight lines, avoid the snipers line of sight. Always works for me. This a thousand times... even more at the line of sight, if you're out in the open without a hill, a rock or something to cover and a Sniper is shooting at you... then you just deserve to die.
hershman001 Creepers Corp. Creepers Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.01.16 05:22:00 - [16] - Quote scrubs
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.16 06:41:00 - [17] - Quote R ainbow wrote: Funny thing about snipers (this is coming from someone who primarily plays a logi), If they're stationary (which most snipers are) or kinda stay in the same area (which most snipers do) they will only have lines of sight to certain areas. Solution: Learn the maps, learn the sight lines, avoid the snipers line of sight. Always works for me. I completely believe you when you say you don't play a sniper. Sniper vantage points on most maps allow you to see huge areas at a time. When a sniper is able to shoot anything in a given third of the map, and can shoot the rest of the map if he repositions himself by walking a few metres, what exactly is the sight line you're avoiding? You could hide behind a box all game, but that only protects you from one side, and is probably not very fun. The bottom line is that sniping is incredibly powerful, incredibly easy to do, places snipers in very little risk if they have a brain, and there is, realistically, nothing you can do as an infantry person other than ensuring you remain constantly in motion. Sniping is not fun to deal with as an infantry guy, as as the video points out, it adds nothing to the game other than causing you to randomly take damage or die with no recourse. Bojo The Mighty wrote: Is killing a sniper fun? Not really. You just walk up to them and shoot them and they die without a fight. Maybe they spam grenades before you drop them, but they're dead. It isn't a challenge to kill them and is only satisfying because snipers are annoying. Much of the time snipers are so far away from you, and in difficult terrain, and safely protected by their own team, that killing the sniper in a method other than through sniping them yourself is unrealistic. Enkidu Camuel wrote: This a thousand times... even more at the line of sight, if you're out in the open without a hill, a rock or something to cover and a Sniper is shooting at you... then you just deserve to die. 90% of the maps are open terrain. If you want to attack an objective, you need to cross open terrain. Using your logic, only the people hiding in the MCC are the ones who don't "deserve" to die to snipers. Boy, that surely sounds like a fun game to me, the one where you never move out of cover so that you don't get sniped.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 285	Posted - 2013.01.16 06:49:00 - [18] - Quote ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun? that was a good video, thanks for sharing.
ZardOz Owls Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2013.01.16 07:23:00 - [19] - Quote ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun? When you are in my scope, my pants bulge by many pixels.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 136	Posted - 2013.01.16 07:29:00 - [20] - Quote No scope?


trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 165	Posted - 2013.01.16 10:17:00 - [21] - Quote Field control sniping is a mini game in a fight. You assign people to act as a general detriment to other team. It's ultimately balanced as the other team can either try to topple field control or just stick to control points and stay in cover not to die to reinforcements. The second solution just does not happen in public games; I've won multiple games to reinf in a losing MCC battle. Just like page sniping is a mini game to forums
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.16 11:46:00 - [22] - Quote Best sniper counter. ME Speed mods, remote mines
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.16 11:49:00 - [23] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: R ainbow wrote: Funny thing about snipers (this is coming from someone who primarily plays a logi), If they're stationary (which most snipers are) or kinda stay in the same area (which most snipers do) they will only have lines of sight to certain areas. Solution: Learn the maps, learn the sight lines, avoid the snipers line of sight. Always works for me. I completely believe you when you say you don't play a sniper. Sniper vantage points on most maps allow you to see huge areas at a time. When a sniper is able to shoot anything in a given third of the map, and can shoot the rest of the map if he repositions himself by walking a few metres, what exactly is the sight line you're avoiding? You could hide behind a box all game, but that only protects you from one side, and is probably not very fun. The bottom line is that sniping is incredibly powerful, incredibly easy to do, places snipers in very little risk if they have a brain, and there is, realistically, nothing you can do as an infantry person other than ensuring you remain constantly in motion. Sniping is not fun to deal with as an infantry guy, as as the video points out, it adds nothing to the game other than causing you to randomly take damage or die with no recourse. Bojo The Mighty wrote: Is killing a sniper fun? Not really. You just walk up to them and shoot them and they die without a fight. Maybe they spam grenades before you drop them, but they're dead. It isn't a challenge to kill them and is only satisfying because snipers are annoying. Much of the time snipers are so far away from you, and in difficult terrain, and safely protected by their own team, that killing the sniper in a method other than through sniping them yourself is unrealistic. Enkidu Camuel wrote: This a thousand times... even more at the line of sight, if you're out in the open without a hill, a rock or something to cover and a Sniper is shooting at you... then you just deserve to die. 90% of the maps are open terrain. If you want to attack an objective, you need to cross open terrain. Using your logic, only the people hiding in the MCC are the ones who don't "deserve" to die to snipers. Boy, that surely sounds like a fun game to me, the one where you never move out of cover so that you don't get sniped. So there is this thing called an LAV. Also dropships and tanks. Another issue is hlaf of the map pool is down. There are many maps with large indoor areas. But don't forget snipers will always be good in the right hands. A good sniper is a good sniper. Sorry they always land a shot. Now the game shifts to tactics. Deploy heavy snipers as counter snipers. Bring in dropships, or lav rush to thier location. Have someone sneak up on him he's in his scope. How to people deal with snipers in real life? Sometimes they find the sniper and send rockets at the building to kill him. Have you tried using the forge gun as a weapon to kill snipers? You have no idea the joy you are missing out on.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.16 11:56:00 - [24] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Is killing a sniper fun? It is when your active and go 25/3 And the other team just bows in respect. A fun fit is nanite injector, with remote mines on a tech 2. Speed mods and damage mods. Tactical sniper. So you can fire faster. Have a sniper of each type ready for deployment. Anyways you hack points using your speed, snipe people as they come in to rehack the point. :P Remote mines let you leave a point protected while moving somewhere else. Stay on the move and always move with your squad. Don't stay off in the moutians. When one of your team mates is sniped, revive them. either counter snipe if he doesn't see you, or use your speed to run behind him and remote mine under him. Or spot him and have a teammate kill him with a laser. With skills the laser will reach 90m Just wait until people have more skill points haha. If you are down by the hack points with a sniper, you are making any near by crossing a death zone. This can not be done by staying safe up in the hills. A good counter to good snipers is mass drivers and lasers. You need to create as many shots as possible. Use team work to make that happen.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion 21	Posted - 2013.01.16 12:43:00 - [25] - Quote ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun? Great video. Snipers always seem to me to detract from the game. They're fun for no-one but the sniper. Sure, it's satisfying to waste your time hunting them for a few minutes and kill them from behind while they're not expecting it...but you've wasted all that time to get one kill, and it's only because they've been annoying you so much. Snipers just don't make the game fun for anyone but themselves. You're running along, all alone, and then suddenly you're dead. Great. It's not that snipers are OP, or can't be killed. It's just the simple fact that they don't make the game more fun (except for the sniper).
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2013.01.16 13:12:00 - [26] - Quote This guy acting like snipers are immortals and can't be killed. He obviously sucks at counter sniping.
Shaszbot Angels of Anarchy AL3XAND3R. 16	Posted - 2013.01.16 13:53:00 - [27] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun? Great video. Snipers always seem to me to detract from the game. They're fun for no-one but the sniper. Sure, it's satisfying to waste your time hunting them for a few minutes and kill them from behind while they're not expecting it...but you've wasted all that time to get one kill, and it's only because they've been annoying you so much. Snipers just don't make the game fun for anyone but themselves. You're running along, all alone, and then suddenly you're dead. Great. It's not that snipers are OP, or can't be killed. It's just the simple fact that they don't make the game more fun (except for the sniper). Good argument. Just about every gun type is trying to kill you, and trying to make it fun for themselves. You could be running along and a forge gun gets you, a grenade gets you, a laser gets you, an HMG mows you down... none of those things tend to be fun for the victim. Your solution? Stop being the victim.
Myles Aarne Amarrican Ground Forces I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 22	Posted - 2013.01.16 14:28:00 - [28] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: It is fun when you sneak up behind them and kill them. I have not done it myself, but it seems fun to the other sniper who counter snipes him. Buddy of mine has gotten a kill at over 700m before. Funny thing is some snipers think you can't kill that far. I know they are wrong. ^ This! (And yes, I often die to the same!)
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 172	Posted - 2013.01.16 15:04:00 - [29] - Quote Stop the whining. People say they take away from the game. No. They don't. They're a part of the battle and have weaknesses as well. They can have many uses and should be respected by any tactician or strategist. I'm not the best sniper, by far, but I've seen guys better than me go running at the sight of assassins in the distance. Not just that but they're weak AF. If you can get close enough, you rip em apart OR make them run with their tail between their legs (If you take note of their constant sniping positions, you'll have a better chance of assassinating them). >_>. It's like saying Assault is OP because they're in your face and can kill you and can take objectives. Snipers have to get away from the front line (Which comes with short comings, e.g. not being able to counter-hack) and face counter-snipers all of the time just to complete whatever objective they have in mind. If you don't like em, kill em. If you find it hard to kill em, do better. If you can't do better, you deserve it.
MD 87 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2013.01.16 15:37:00 - [30] - Quote Players should be forced of their own redline, after a certain amount of time. Sniping from for within the safety of the redline, revokes the mancard of said sniper. Just saying...



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