There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

The problem is, we don't play 23/7 to get the SP for that like your corp.

We all have the same SP cap.

We all have the same SP cap.

Well Im going back to staying poor at 20k isk and militia gear and continue to prove that militia gear is not 'underpowered'

http://youtu.be/IR4s4QswGS4?t=1m26s

Ha. Militia gear is not even close to being as good as proto gear. I have seen proto logis with over 800hp. If there is a militia suit that can even come close to this please let me know. My guess is that a militia logi can get about 1/3 of this hp. Same is true with the other proto suits, this is just the most obvious example.

Yea, frankly its only cause of this nerf that i can compete. Im a freelancer with no corp and the first thing i did with my aur was buy miltia BPO for everything so that every game i played was pure profit.

Because of the nerf, i havent felt the need to spec into adv dropsuits at all instead focusing entirely on circuitry, mechanics, shield boost, shileld control.

Weaponry, operation, sharpshooter.

By making my free stuff stronger and myself less squishy alongside the current nerfs i can compete against almost anyone including proto suits. Especially with flux nades and MD or exile AR.

But thats the point i didnt try spread myself too thin i made sure to build my character right.

That 800HP is worthless when there is no amount of shield tanking that can withstand a single militia level flux nade 1200HP all shield damage. Once ive beridden you of shield your armor tank alone isnt going to withstand the barrage of MD fire coming your way or AR headshot(well that you have a better chance cause im super squishy and not a perfect shot).


Didn't say they were comparable in HP, i said that they werent specing into at the current moment from a financial point of view, at least not before specing into core skills. My build is 10 days old. My militia gear, actually its a tier I BPO suit with tier I modules and BPO equipment, it cost b/w 6800 and 18,000 ISK a suit. Yes my logi is weak and squishy it running 181 and 302 with two BPO shield extender and two Tier I armor plates. with RE, FLUX and bpo hive and repair that suit cost 17K, oh thats with regular MD.

My AR BPO that i use for ambush is 11K. But my shield boost is at 4 and shield control at 2 with mechanics at 3 all of which make those modules go a little further because of the natural bump in tank and shield regen. With the current weapon nerfs that is more than adequate to survive most 1v1 encounter. I can survive a lot of 2v1 3v1 with my MD but not my AR.

Regardless in 10 days i have 23M ISK, i have enough to fund the skill books i need and in 2 months time buy proto gear like ima boss. So when i do get my skills where they need to be im not struggling over the money. Point is you need to create a set that is pure profit generator regardless of what it might do to stats and then build your stats back up on the back end, if they are that important to you.


The way i see it in this game money talks, everything else is just a distraction.

That fit has at least 1 armor plate, meaning even without its shield it is on equal footing in terms of hp with your average militia fit

DUST has two major issues.

1. Too many people use militia gear (Although you might be making money you are drastically reducing your survivability against players using better gear)

2. People don/t know how to build their characters. ( I was playing with a friend of mine earlier and was a bit annoyed he couldn't build his character correctly..) CCP really does need to add an auto skill system for the people who dislike going through menu after menu in order to make their character stronger.


in terms of infantry battle, the only REAL reason as to why people cried things were OP is simply because they run militia gear or they have no idea as to how to fit a character properly. The flattening of not only the weapon damage, but also the dropsuit HP values were completely unwarranted, considering everything was balanced within their specific gear tier as it should have been.

There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

This game isnt getting dumbed down at all...you guys brought down the TAR nerf on yourselfs.....

I don't take it as a personal attack, I take it as a stupid statement. There is nothing wrong with what vets do, they are the models for scrubs. I'll give all the lessons I have to teach this player base to understand this game

I hear lasers are the new TAR anyway

not really cause you have drawbacks with it. I got a proto laser,Nattmordur (or whatever he is called from betamax) has it aswell and a couple of other players aswell. Short range combat the AR wins, medium range the AR has still a fair chance but on long range you wont compete with a laser rifle. Now the TAC AR had beeing abused with modded controllers to make it the weapon for all situations. Trust me i can tell it from experience even if a starter fit n00b comes close to me he can cause massive damage with a militia assault rifle. Nattmordur from betamax can confirm it for you i played against him and i decided to get a AR and hunt him down which is quite easy due to the visibility from the laser beam. I won every encounter from short-medium range. And to top it he was using a Heavy-B series suit.

I hear lasers are the new TAR anyway

not really cause you have drawbacks with it. I got a proto laser,Nattmordur (or whatever he is called from betamax) has it aswell and a couple of other players aswell. Short range combat the AR wins, medium range the AR has still a fair chance but on long range you wont compete with a laser rifle. Now the TAC AR had beeing abused with modded controllers to make it the weapon for all situations. Trust me i can tell it from experience even if a starter fit n00b comes close to me he can cause massive damage with a militia assault rifle. Nattmordur from betamax can confirm it for you i played against him and i decided to get a AR and hunt him down which is quite easy due to the visibility from the laser beam. I won every encounter from short-medium range. And to top it he was using a Heavy-B series suit.

DUST has two major issues.

1. Too many people use militia gear (Although you might be making money you are drastically reducing your survivability against players using better gear)

2. People don/t know how to build their characters. ( I was playing with a friend of mine earlier and was a bit annoyed he couldn't build his character correctly..) CCP really does need to add an auto skill system for the people who dislike going through menu after menu in order to make their character stronger.


in terms of infantry battle, the only REAL reason as to why people cried things were OP is simply because they run militia gear or they have no idea as to how to fit a character properly. The flattening of not only the weapon damage, but also the dropsuit HP values were completely unwarranted, considering everything was balanced within their specific gear tier as it should have been.

Build after build, this game has devolved into a mindless shooter where people really don't have to think much when in gun battles besides holding down R1 or tapping it w/e it is that people desire. Back in replication, If you wanted to beat better players you had to outsmart them, and force them to battle you on your own terms were you had an advantage.

Gun-game is important, but f you can't build a character both effectively and efficiently you suck in this game. I know plenty of people that have fantastic skills on other games, but they try this one out and can't properly build a character so they suffer for it.

People simply need to learn how to effectively skill characters, or CCP needs to add some preset character paths that can be auto skilled.

If this game continues down the route it's going i'll delete it off my playstation and continue to play Blackops II. This game doesn't need to be another mindless BattlefieldMAGofDuty clone.

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Like with most "competitive" multiplayer games there's always a two week period in which your success at the game is often dictated. Of course, you can pick up the game after that period, but things are substantially more difficult, because people not only have figured out both the maps and which weapons to use. In addition to that two week period DUST has an ongoing arms race. This race forces people to play in order to get better gear. The skillcap was put in place to somewhat alleviate that arms race, and give people that can't play as hard as "no-lifers" a chance to remain somewhat competitive. ( I was one of the few good players in favor of the skill cap seeing as I can't play DUST 24/7 like some other people)

Smart players know how to get to their proto weapons within the first hours of a new build. This allows them to mop the floor with people who are playing in their miltia gear thinking "ohh golly gee i'm dying, but making a profit" Realistically speaking your only doing yourself a disservice by running militia gear . You're drastically lowering your survivability rate, and basically bending over before your opponent.

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ONLY IDIOTS RUN MILTIA GEAR. Use the best gear you have. Chances are you'll perform better in a match. Figure out ways in which you can minimize your losses using your best gear.

1. Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

2. As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

3. Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup.

4. To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.

Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

Im by no means flaming you when i say this but perhaps part of the blame in these nerfs belong with you guys and others who constantly ran proto everything outside of corp battles or against other teams you knew to have proto gear. Im not putting that squarely on your shoulders that belongs to every vet who's been around since E3 and decided to have a feast of all the newbies.

Granted i get it you're bored and their isnt a new playground for you guys yet and thats why it sucks, id probably do the same thing out of sheer boredom too. ,

Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup. It will be a safe harbor for miltia/std gear to earn their stripes before graduating to the levels of the game where you should be playing at currently but isnt yet available.

To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.

Granted my view maybe a bit skewed i only have a total of 2 weeks in this game so i dont know what it really was like in codex having only 4 days in that build before chromosome dropped, and now with this new build i definitely dont see the value in graduating.

But I do beat better gear... I just got skills to make it work. unlike these other scrubs here. It just happens every time I run into you Mr. Zitro I am either almost empty on my current magazine or trying to reload.

Anyways I'm poor haven't been able to afford gear above militia.

Also for the record I don't feel as a militia locked character that any weapon is OP. I live long enough against most weapons to seriously hurt the operator, nearly kill them or will kill them. HMGs and Heavies are currently my only bane but if I am taking heavy suits to down to a quarter of their armor in a decent firefight exchange in my militia suit. It then becomes a scenario of situation of who caught who and where followed shortly by who can aim, react, and plan ahead better.

Well Im going back to staying poor at 20k isk and militia gear and continue to prove that militia gear is not 'underpowered'

DUST has two major issues.

1. Too many people use militia gear (Although you might be making money you are drastically reducing your survivability against players using better gear)

2. People don/t know how to build their characters. ( I was playing with a friend of mine earlier and was a bit annoyed he couldn't build his character correctly..) CCP really does need to add an auto skill system for the people who dislike going through menu after menu in order to make their character stronger.


in terms of infantry battle, the only REAL reason as to why people cried things were OP is simply because they run militia gear or they have no idea as to how to fit a character properly. The flattening of not only the weapon damage, but also the dropsuit HP values were completely unwarranted, considering everything was balanced within their specific gear tier as it should have been.

Build after build, this game has devolved into a mindless shooter where people really don't have to think much when in gun battles besides holding down R1 or tapping it w/e it is that people desire. Back in replication, If you wanted to beat better players you had to outsmart them, and force them to battle you on your own terms were you had an advantage.

Gun-game is important, but f you can't build a character both effectively and efficiently you suck in this game. I know plenty of people that have fantastic skills on other games, but they try this one out and can't properly build a character so they suffer for it.

People simply need to learn how to effectively skill characters, or CCP needs to add some preset character paths that can be auto skilled.

If this game continues down the route it's going i'll delete it off my playstation and continue to play Blackops II. This game doesn't need to be another mindless BattlefieldMAGofDuty clone.

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Like with most "competitive" multiplayer games there's always a two week period in which your success at the game is often dictated. Of course, you can pick up the game after that period, but things are substantially more difficult, because people not only have figured out both the maps and which weapons to use. In addition to that two week period DUST has an ongoing arms race. This race forces people to play in order to get better gear. The skillcap was put in place to somewhat alleviate that arms race, and give people that can't play as hard as "no-lifers" a chance to remain somewhat competitive. ( I was one of the few good players in favor of the skill cap seeing as I can't play DUST 24/7 like some other people)

Smart players know how to get to their proto weapons within the first hours of a new build. This allows them to mop the floor with people who are playing in their miltia gear thinking "ohh golly gee i'm dying, but making a profit" Realistically speaking your only doing yourself a disservice by running militia gear . You're drastically lowering your survivability rate, and basically bending over before your opponent.

TOO LONG DIDN'T READ VERSION

ONLY IDIOTS RUN MILTIA GEAR. Use the best gear you have. Chances are you'll perform better in a match. Figure out ways in which you can minimize your losses using your best gear.

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My philosphy and what i think others would agree with is that if a player has "skill" they will be able to specialze the proper core skill needed to compete in those environments inside of a 1-2months which is a short duration of time in an MMO universe. Now in terms of being able to finance the gear, yes the obvious answer is they wont be able to finance it on thier own hence they will need to find a corp. If the player has "skill" then the corp will want to "invest" in them by providing them top gear until they reach a point where the corp can see a "ROI"(return on investment).

What a lot of players seem to want is the ability to compete at the top levels without the necessary investment of time, SP, or ISK. Im saying that shouldnt be in the EVE universe, i think there has to be a time to build your character period during the initial phase of your in game career o/w there is no point in having ANY RPG elements at all.

As these changes occur, the payouts for this current arena we play in need to be reduced dramatically so that even the loss of a single proto suit would be devastating. However the people who can afford it will still show up now and again to pubstomp hence why they should return the gear restriction matches. Or simply make highsec a militia/std restricted zone.

Decent post Gunner.

As I continue to say, this game should be about RISK.

People need to learn to manage risk. What level suit should I bring out this match where I have some highly skilled opponents and I want to see how well I compete? What level fit should I run normally to make ISK but still be effective?

What type of playerbase are we going to have if we get a bunch of people without the attention span to manage to spend enough time and effort to get SP and ISK to get themselves into lowsec and nullsec?

We need people that are at least willing to figure out a build, earn the SP and learn to manage the RISK of making ISK match by match.

If people can't manage that I don't even want them in game. I want this game to be successful for CCP so it stays around but I want a complex deep game that rewards players with MORE than ONLY FPS skill. I want an FPS Eve.

The gear flattening that arose from whining about pubstomps (again the nerfs haven't affected any of the Imperfects KDR, mine has gone up) have led us further from that game.

First half - I agree with completely, RISK is important and people should consider this game as close as poker as possible- but that second half...

IF you want this game to succeed you'd find ways outside of your own world to get a larger player base active and assertive about playing this game. Sometimes that means that your personal bias and opinions get shoved to the side so that a larger group of people can enjoy the game - which is what CCP already stated they wanted.

I did a little cleanup. Please behave guys :)

Wow now I have an Internet mother... But honestly why not talk to some players in game instead of listening to the no name cry babies?

Because people with names are the ones who the community decides - not CCP. If it was up to them then they'd only be asking the programmers among us for our interruption of there ideas and how to work with it - not randoms with no background on anything but gaming. They already know what we randoms want - now they need to know how to work it.

Skill in game means nothing to CCP when it comes to development. Your voice might get an extra 'umph' for knowing how to work your suit - but not much else. I think most of the time they just check for the volume of complaints on certain subjects so they can back-track to see if they made mistakes.

So basically - we're all no name cry babies xD

If the gear is flattened would the better player come out on top in a gun fight? The way it was before the better geared person could beat the better skilled player.

The way things were before made sense in terms of gear vs gear which is balanced.

Militia scrubs complaining about getting gunned down across the map, because they either cant properly spec a character, or run militia gear by choice most certainly deserve to get smashed for their refusal to use their best.

The way things were before made sense in terms of gear vs gear which is balanced.

Militia scrubs complaining about getting gunned down across the map, because they either cant properly spec a character, or run militia gear by choice most certainly deserve to get smashed for their refusal to use their best.

Sorry but you are wrong, the good gamers know how to balance a game better than the non name cry babies. They either need to make pve for the helmet wearing kids or change match making to gear base stats but even before they do or think about doing any of that they need to figure out if they want this to be a skill based game or a team based game. Then the rest falls in place

Again, summary of these "lessons"- http://youtu.be/IR4s4QswGS4?t=1m26s

Silly Dark Cloud unlike you, apparently, we want to have a good game instead of another wasted fps that will die and be forgotten. By flattening the weapons CCP kills the need for progressing through the skills required to get better weapons, an important aspect of the game imo. Also, by weakening weapons in general without changing the modules what so ever it gives rise to tanking your suit and wiping out anyone in a lesser suit. Too bad all SI can think about is the next pub stomp.

The way things were before made sense in terms of gear vs gear which is balanced.

Militia scrubs complaining about getting gunned down across the map, because they either cant properly spec a character, or run militia gear by choice most certainly deserve to get smashed for their refusal to use their best.

So then you don't want a game based on skill you want a game based on skills? I don't know about you but I don't like the idea of oh he's better geared then me I should tuck my tail and run.