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Gunner Visari wrote:

1. Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

2. As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

3. Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup.

4. To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.


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Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2013.01.02 04:46:00 - [1] - Quote Gunner Visari wrote: 1. Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability. 2. As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts. 3. Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup. 4. To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck. 1. Any corp or player thats been around a couple builds "should" know how to skill up their character and what to go for 1st. If they don't know how to spec by now they will never get it until this game is in Open Beta and there are "How To" walkthrus for cookie cutter builds. 2. This is the way CCP laid the game out. People complained about not having a skill cap because they cant compete with the 23/7s, but now we have a skill cap they complain they can't compete again. See a trend? CCP insituted the skill cap but it still didnt, and will never, level the playing field. 3. There will always be people that just want to make people rage ( /looks at HECATONCHIRES GYGES posts) by either forum trash talking or going into Militia games to kill noobs, its part of FPS society. ISK won't matter after awhile, only entertainment. 4. The beta testers (even the bad ones) will be light years ahead of new players upon release of the game due to the learning curve. This fact can't be avoided. I just hope there are enough people that want to play this game where we don't see a big impact.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2013.01.02 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: I dont care if you guys wear Proto Im gonna wear it maybe sometimes....probably not.It doesnt make any sense to wear it.Its just not cost effective....at all.Max ISK is 350k in a pub for winning team MVP.Pub matches and KDR,kills is not the end all be all of this game.Itll be Districts and money....thats how it works in New Eden.You guys are the only ones who care about that stuff.When that way of thinking is 1 demensional.People will have the skills to equip proto in CORP matches.When it means something...pub matches only mean will I get MVP.You guys are the ones thinking standard FPS.Most of these guys belong to EVE corps and they laugh at the cost of our best gear.They really do.People pub just to get the sp thats it.EVE players are really just checking the game out.When they can have there EVE corp money into there corp wallet.....youll being seeing proto trust me. I did like how we used to have the battle finder.I do miss that option.Why it never came back I dont have the slightest. I wear proto about 30-40% of the time. I usually run an ISK fit (Type B with complex extenders, Advanced wep, rest all militia) runs about 30-40k isk a death or so. Wearing Proto gear usually isn't cost effective, each death is about 220k isk. But when it comes to winning a skirmish or ambush, idc what I spend. I do run Proto when we are behind in kills or if I see a corp./players on the other side I know are good etc. I bring my best, for the best. Do I care about winning in pub matches? F ya I do, I want to win every match I play no matter where it is, otherwise... why play?