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SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.01 22:15:00 - [1] - Quote Sorry but my expensive gear is too expensive - isn't ADV good enough? :( - apparently not xD
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.02 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote I really can't believe some of the argument read in here. Zitros gift of advice was basically don't bother running militia and expect results with named players in the game - and he's absolutely right. Everyone feeling comfy in militia gear - you're the one holding the crutch. You fear your wallet enough to let imperfects and other tops corps not afraid of a little ISK loss run amok on blueberries. As this game stands right now - to my dismay - it takes another corp to stop another corp from rampaging all over the map. And what I notice is if there's a full imperfect squad - the other team won't even bother using there gear and the whole game becomes ruined. I dont know why you even bother staying in the game if you expect to die so much you refuse to use ISK gear - just leave so those of us with balls can step up and try and hopefully get other players who don't think with there wallets rather then there skill.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Gunner Visari wrote: [ My philosphy and what i think others would agree with is that if a player has "skill" they will be able to specialze the proper core skill needed to compete in those environments inside of a 1-2months which is a short duration of time in an MMO universe. Now in terms of being able to finance the gear, yes the obvious answer is they wont be able to finance it on thier own hence they will need to find a corp. If the player has "skill" then the corp will want to "invest" in them by providing them top gear until they reach a point where the corp can see a "ROI"(return on investment). What a lot of players seem to want is the ability to compete at the top levels without the necessary investment of time, SP, or ISK. Im saying that shouldnt be in the EVE universe, i think there has to be a time to build your character period during the initial phase of your in game career o/w there is no point in having ANY RPG elements at all. As these changes occur, the payouts for this current arena we play in need to be reduced dramatically so that even the loss of a single proto suit would be devastating. However the people who can afford it will still show up now and again to pubstomp hence why they should return the gear restriction matches. Or simply make highsec a militia/std restricted zone. Decent post Gunner. As I continue to say, this game should be about RISK. People need to learn to manage risk. What level suit should I bring out this match where I have some highly skilled opponents and I want to see how well I compete? What level fit should I run normally to make ISK but still be effective? What type of playerbase are we going to have if we get a bunch of people without the attention span to manage to spend enough time and effort to get SP and ISK to get themselves into lowsec and nullsec? We need people that are at least willing to figure out a build, earn the SP and learn to manage the RISK of making ISK match by match. If people can't manage that I don't even want them in game. I want this game to be successful for CCP so it stays around but I want a complex deep game that rewards players with MORE than ONLY FPS skill. I want an FPS Eve. The gear flattening that arose from whining about pubstomps (again the nerfs haven't affected any of the Imperfects KDR, mine has gone up) have led us further from that game. First half - I agree with completely, RISK is important and people should consider this game as close as poker as possible- but that second half... IF you want this game to succeed you'd find ways outside of your own world to get a larger player base active and assertive about playing this game. Sometimes that means that your personal bias and opinions get shoved to the side so that a larger group of people can enjoy the game - which is what CCP already stated they wanted.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.02 21:39:00 - [4] - Quote Gunner Visari wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Decent post Gunner. As I continue to say, this game should be about RISK. People need to learn to manage risk. What level suit should I bring out this match where I have some highly skilled opponents and I want to see how well I compete? What level fit should I run normally to make ISK but still be effective? What type of playerbase are we going to have if we get a bunch of people without the attention span to manage to spend enough time and effort to get SP and ISK to get themselves into lowsec and nullsec? We need people that are at least willing to figure out a build, earn the SP and learn to manage the RISK of making ISK match by match. If people can't manage that I don't even want them in game. I want this game to be successful for CCP so it stays around but I want a complex deep game that rewards players with MORE than ONLY FPS skill. I want an FPS Eve. The gear flattening that arose from whining about pubstomps (again the nerfs haven't affected any of the Imperfects KDR, mine has gone up) have led us further from that game. First half - I agree with completely, RISK is important and people should consider this game as close as poker as possible- but that second half... IF you want this game to succeed you'd find ways outside of your own world to get a larger player base active and assertive about playing this game. Sometimes that means that your personal bias and opinions get shoved to the side so that a larger group of people can enjoy the game - which is what CCP already stated they wanted. Yes but many of the players who play this game may be coming from a FPS only background with no experience or understanding of RPG games. Now i agree one path is to make it easier for them to get into the game quicker, i think the better option is to flesh out the tutorial sections better but more so verbally and textually direct players to these forums, specifically training ground so they can LEARN to build their own characters and for those who wish to not endure that create prefitted clones with some sort of standard skill progression that will auto skill up for them based on the class of character they choose, of course if the person want to be a pilot/vehicle operator they would need to make that decision ahead of time so that they either auto skill in infantry or vehicle and perhaps create a slider function that can allocate the points in an automatic fashion but still provide some level of user input. Would that be a good idea? I like the idea of fleshed out tutorials. PS3 also has a decent browser so maybe CCP could attach a link that sends players to a site that informs them of how to best suit a class. In the end I think there'll be many many sources that are even player created for newbs to search for. As for auto-progression - I'm against it. But I also think it would be valued to many casual gamers who want to simply immerse themselves in the meta of EVE/DUST rather then actual gameplay - so it may turn out to be an important feature. I like the concept of taking a small quiz that helps you determine what role you'd best suit for and a small tutorial on how to set it up. And lastly: Training camp. A place where a player can go and test the actual equipment - a place any corp can jump into where friendly fire is off and people are just experimenting with this or that. Ah, also, on the matter of people being FPS and not RPG players - the RPG aspects of this game are incredibly weak. In fact - calling this anything like an RPG is weird since we're not actually role playing anything - yet anyways. So I don't see FPS players having a hard time picking up on the small RPG concepts dust has.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.02 23:40:00 - [5] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: GM Unicorn wrote: I did a little cleanup. Please behave guys :) Wow now I have an Internet mother... But honestly why not talk to some players in game instead of listening to the no name cry babies? Because people with names are the ones who the community decides - not CCP. If it was up to them then they'd only be asking the programmers among us for our interruption of there ideas and how to work with it - not randoms with no background on anything but gaming. They already know what we randoms want - now they need to know how to work it. Skill in game means nothing to CCP when it comes to development. Your voice might get an extra 'umph' for knowing how to work your suit - but not much else. I think most of the time they just check for the volume of complaints on certain subjects so they can back-track to see if they made mistakes. So basically - we're all no name cry babies xD
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.03 00:03:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: GM Unicorn wrote: I did a little cleanup. Please behave guys :) Wow now I have an Internet mother... But honestly why not talk to some players in game instead of listening to the no name cry babies? Because people with names are the ones who the community decides - not CCP. If it was up to them then they'd only be asking the programmers among us for our interruption of there ideas and how to work with it - not randoms with no background on anything but gaming. They already know what we randoms want - now they need to know how to work it. Skill in game means nothing to CCP when it comes to development. Your voice might get an extra 'umph' for knowing how to work your suit - but not much else. I think most of the time they just check for the volume of complaints on certain subjects so they can back-track to see if they made mistakes. So basically - we're all no name cry babies xD Sorry but you are wrong, the good gamers know how to balance a game better than the non name cry babies. They either need to make pve for the helmet wearing kids or change match making to gear base stats but even before they do or think about doing any of that they need to figure out if they want this to be a skill based game or a team based game. Then the rest falls in place I thought it over some - and I find myself leaning away from my earlier argument and accepting yours. But the fact is CCP really doesn't reach out to any of us. Only those of us willing to speak out loud will get heard - even if just by glance and it's a shame the people who may have a proper opinion get shut out and aren't willing to speak because of trolls. And yet again - the ones who do speak with good opinions are either abrasive - absurd - or just down right awful at being anything other then a troll. Your own corp is a perfect example of this - your members bring up points but can't seem to stay away from "Your bad get good." which rubs people the wrong way and turns a lot of your discussion into ego strokin'. CCP may look at those threads - but they won't take anything seriously if the OP devolves into trolling. Another thread on the same subject is almost always made as a result. This really shows CCP how unstable as a community we are - makes it hard to take us seriously. But this is just my opinion.

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