But I do beat better gear... I just got skills to make it work. unlike these other scrubs here. It just happens every time I run into you Mr. Zitro I am either almost empty on my current magazine or trying to reload.

Anyways I'm poor haven't been able to afford gear above militia.

Also for the record I don't feel as a militia locked character that any weapon is OP. I live long enough against most weapons to seriously hurt the operator, nearly kill them or will kill them. HMGs and Heavies are currently my only bane but if I am taking heavy suits to down to a quarter of their armor in a decent firefight exchange in my militia suit. It then becomes a scenario of situation of who caught who and where followed shortly by who can aim, react, and plan ahead better.

No more Tanks4Lyfe?

I kinda agree with Zitro.

I feel the whole OP discussion was confounded by what a player has speced into. It's why i said people really need to post what level they have certain weapon skills speced..


Operation, PROFICIENCY, Sharpshooter(to a degree), WEAPONRY, heck even Capacity and Reload can all effect the value of each weapon and take the base differences of a weapon and make them even stronger thereby widening the gap to make them seem OP.

For instance a 3% difference isnt all that much but when you take 15%(Lvl 5) and apply it to the base difference b/w a std AR and a proto AR before the nerf, it becomes clear that it isnt the weapon but the way the skill points were applied. That is not an imbalance of the gun it is the natural progression gap difference b/w a newb and a vet who has speced into those skills.

This isnt a gear winning the fight, but rather the MMO aspect of time spent playing making the difference in the fight. I don't mind that aspect of the game because now i know which skills i need to spend time building up if i want to be on a level playing field with an imp or any other player who has more time in the game and by result has more SP spent in certain skills.

Fact is these nerfs would not be necessary or warranted if new players were not restricted by a cap until they started nearing a global cap level set by the cumulative sum of total CAP points possible since launch.

If players could catch up they wouldnt care. Also if there were other playgrounds for vets to play in and the proper "tuning" was done in terms of ISK rewards and ISK cost of the higher tier gear to dissaude their use in the current matches then there would be a lot less nerf threads.


Frankly once FW, and low/nullsec drops and if they ever do change the cap parameters to allow for newer players to "catch up" all these weapon balancing measure will need to be reevaluated. I dont think by any means this should be the final balance of weaponry. There are just too many confounding variables that need to be examined that augment the natural gaps b/w the tiers of weaponry.

The problem is, we don't play 23/7 to get the SP for that like your corp.

Ha. Militia gear is not even close to being as good as proto gear. I have seen proto logis with over 800hp. If there is a militia suit that can even come close to this please let me know. My guess is that a militia logi can get about 1/3 of this hp. Same is true with the other proto suits, this is just the most obvious example.

It has 2 basic plates in fact. But yes thats the point i used the modules to help make up the difference, but more advanced suits have more modules so they can either have more tank or more damage or keep the same and add something else like hacking or dampener or regulator or whatever else they desire.

This game isnt getting dumbed down at all...you guys brought down the TAR nerf on yourselfs.....

not really cause you have drawbacks with it. I got a proto laser,Nattmordur (or whatever he is called from betamax) has it aswell and a couple of other players aswell. Short range combat the AR wins, medium range the AR has still a fair chance but on long range you wont compete with a laser rifle. Now the TAC AR had beeing abused with modded controllers to make it the weapon for all situations. Trust me i can tell it from experience even if a starter fit n00b comes close to me he can cause massive damage with a militia assault rifle. Nattmordur from betamax can confirm it for you i played against him and i decided to get a AR and hunt him down which is quite easy due to the visibility from the laser beam. I won every encounter from short-medium range. And to top it he was using a Heavy-B series suit.

I did a little cleanup. Please behave guys :)

Because people with names are the ones who the community decides - not CCP. If it was up to them then they'd only be asking the programmers among us for our interruption of there ideas and how to work with it - not randoms with no background on anything but gaming. They already know what we randoms want - now they need to know how to work it.

Skill in game means nothing to CCP when it comes to development. Your voice might get an extra 'umph' for knowing how to work your suit - but not much else. I think most of the time they just check for the volume of complaints on certain subjects so they can back-track to see if they made mistakes.

So basically - we're all no name cry babies xD

I thought it over some - and I find myself leaning away from my earlier argument and accepting yours. But the fact is CCP really doesn't reach out to any of us. Only those of us willing to speak out loud will get heard - even if just by glance and it's a shame the people who may have a proper opinion get shut out and aren't willing to speak because of trolls.

And yet again - the ones who do speak with good opinions are either abrasive - absurd - or just down right awful at being anything other then a troll. Your own corp is a perfect example of this - your members bring up points but can't seem to stay away from "Your bad get good." which rubs people the wrong way and turns a lot of your discussion into ego strokin'. CCP may look at those threads - but they won't take anything seriously if the OP devolves into trolling. Another thread on the same subject is almost always made as a result. This really shows CCP how unstable as a community we are - makes it hard to take us seriously.

But this is just my opinion.

Temporary locked due to a deeper cleanup

EDIT: Open again. Please guys, keep the post nice and tidy and do not feed trolls ;)

First spend your skill points and get very good with militia gear, then spend some isk and use better equipment, that way you won't die as much. A Militia AR can easily dominate a Duvolle if the Militia AR user has his/her skills up and is accurate.

Then find other people and attack in a group its simple groups survive against most any tier and player i dont want a flat lone wolf fps again if i wanted that id go back to call of duty and start pulling 30 and 3 again it got old