There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

But I do beat better gear... I just got skills to make it work. unlike these other scrubs here. It just happens every time I run into you Mr. Zitro I am either almost empty on my current magazine or trying to reload.

Anyways I'm poor haven't been able to afford gear above militia.

Also for the record I don't feel as a militia locked character that any weapon is OP. I live long enough against most weapons to seriously hurt the operator, nearly kill them or will kill them. HMGs and Heavies are currently my only bane but if I am taking heavy suits to down to a quarter of their armor in a decent firefight exchange in my militia suit. It then becomes a scenario of situation of who caught who and where followed shortly by who can aim, react, and plan ahead better.

There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

But I do beat better gear... I just got skills to make it work. unlike these other scrubs here. It just happens every time I run into you Mr. Zitro I am either almost empty on my current magazine or trying to reload.

Anyways I'm poor haven't been able to afford gear above militia.

Also for the record I don't feel as a militia locked character that any weapon is OP. I live long enough against most weapons to seriously hurt the operator, nearly kill them or will kill them. HMGs and Heavies are currently my only bane but if I am taking heavy suits to down to a quarter of their armor in a decent firefight exchange in my militia suit. It then becomes a scenario of situation of who caught who and where followed shortly by who can aim, react, and plan ahead better.

No more Tanks4Lyfe?

I kinda agree with Zitro.

I feel the whole OP discussion was confounded by what a player has speced into. It's why i said people really need to post what level they have certain weapon skills speced..


Operation, PROFICIENCY, Sharpshooter(to a degree), WEAPONRY, heck even Capacity and Reload can all effect the value of each weapon and take the base differences of a weapon and make them even stronger thereby widening the gap to make them seem OP.

For instance a 3% difference isnt all that much but when you take 15%(Lvl 5) and apply it to the base difference b/w a std AR and a proto AR before the nerf, it becomes clear that it isnt the weapon but the way the skill points were applied. That is not an imbalance of the gun it is the natural progression gap difference b/w a newb and a vet who has speced into those skills.

This isnt a gear winning the fight, but rather the MMO aspect of time spent playing making the difference in the fight. I don't mind that aspect of the game because now i know which skills i need to spend time building up if i want to be on a level playing field with an imp or any other player who has more time in the game and by result has more SP spent in certain skills.

Fact is these nerfs would not be necessary or warranted if new players were not restricted by a cap until they started nearing a global cap level set by the cumulative sum of total CAP points possible since launch.

If players could catch up they wouldnt care. Also if there were other playgrounds for vets to play in and the proper "tuning" was done in terms of ISK rewards and ISK cost of the higher tier gear to dissaude their use in the current matches then there would be a lot less nerf threads.


Frankly once FW, and low/nullsec drops and if they ever do change the cap parameters to allow for newer players to "catch up" all these weapon balancing measure will need to be reevaluated. I dont think by any means this should be the final balance of weaponry. There are just too many confounding variables that need to be examined that augment the natural gaps b/w the tiers of weaponry.

Yea, frankly its only cause of this nerf that i can compete. Im a freelancer with no corp and the first thing i did with my aur was buy miltia BPO for everything so that every game i played was pure profit.

Because of the nerf, i havent felt the need to spec into adv dropsuits at all instead focusing entirely on circuitry, mechanics, shield boost, shileld control.

Weaponry, operation, sharpshooter.

By making my free stuff stronger and myself less squishy alongside the current nerfs i can compete against almost anyone including proto suits. Especially with flux nades and MD or exile AR.

But thats the point i didnt try spread myself too thin i made sure to build my character right.

It's like a house, start with a good foundation and then everything else falls into place. Im 10 days into my new "main" character and it only has 1.7m SP. I know exactly where im going and im not even thinking about getting to logi III-IV variant dropsuit when i can maximize the efficiency of my militia by building up my natural shield/armor/pg/cpu through skills and with it better extenders/armor.

Edit- I think thats the mistake ppl make is they spec into higer level dropsuit too early rather than spending their SP to get the most out of their free/basic stuff. Especially BPO stuff which sucks since they currently can only be bought with AUR. But by maximizing that you can generate enough profit to buy the skill books in quick time while having enough SP to boost the things that matter. I mean build up the natural max shields and armor along with weapon damage with SP is a far better long term financial plan than trying to sustain that through ISK consuming modules. But like i said it really comes down to "spending" the AUR on BPO, which by the way is <7K AUR=$3.50 to fully run BPO everything and have every BPO equipment if you only purchase the one dropsuit suited for your class.

Heavies obviously get screwed and just another example of why they aren't as OP as ppl want to believe they are.

I mean im thinking about my build and how it will be a month or two from now, not how will i be ready by next week.

What sucks is the reset is coming and all of this is for naught.

Flattening the damage was a terrible way to go because now there is so very little reason to use proto weapons it removes a big part of the game. And obviously the militia shotgun needed more damage.

Fittings now are more of a personal preference than ever and "stop sucking" is really the only advice you can give.

The problem is, we don't play 23/7 to get the SP for that like your corp.

The problem is, we don't play 23/7 to get the SP for that like your corp.

Mr.Z actually posted on the forums, this is going to be a wonderful new year

We all have the same SP cap.

Still have to play constantly to reach it

I have read aclot of posts hate'n on the weapon flattening they did for this build. I was kind of thinking that this build is all about collecting data and tweaking the combat mechanics of the game itself. All of the maps are smaller and they force us into close quarters matches. I mean I don't see people perched on top of the mountains sniping the whole game right now. Just keep killing each other and providing CCP with feedback and data. I don't expect the weapon stats to stay where they are or for them to keep iron sights on all the ARs like they are now.

The problem with a gaming community is that we all feel like we are getting cheated when we die...a lot. The tendency is to hate whatever weapon we get killed by a lot and then every one cries nerf.

Dust is not an ordinary FPS. The weapons cant all be the same but they can't all be drastically different either. Especially with skills adjusting the effectiveness of them. I can imagine finding a balance that everyone likes will be impossible.

I agree with Zitro's comments about getting out of the militia gear if you want to cry about an unfair advantage. The players using proto gear have spent time, sp, isk, and real money to get there. If you cant keep up with them in your militia gear then maybe you should find a different server. I hate seeing a squad of Zion, imperfects, or LOTIS on the other team. But I still fight them. It feels really good when you contribute to their death knowing they lost more in that one death than they are going to make in the inevitable win they are about to get.

Still have to play constantly to reach it

Well Im going back to staying poor at 20k isk and militia gear and continue to prove that militia gear is not 'underpowered'