This game isnt getting dumbed down at all...you guys brought down the TAR nerf on yourselfs.....

I don't take it as a personal attack, I take it as a stupid statement. There is nothing wrong with what vets do, they are the models for scrubs. I'll give all the lessons I have to teach this player base to understand this game

I hear lasers are the new TAR anyway

not really cause you have drawbacks with it. I got a proto laser,Nattmordur (or whatever he is called from betamax) has it aswell and a couple of other players aswell. Short range combat the AR wins, medium range the AR has still a fair chance but on long range you wont compete with a laser rifle. Now the TAC AR had beeing abused with modded controllers to make it the weapon for all situations. Trust me i can tell it from experience even if a starter fit n00b comes close to me he can cause massive damage with a militia assault rifle. Nattmordur from betamax can confirm it for you i played against him and i decided to get a AR and hunt him down which is quite easy due to the visibility from the laser beam. I won every encounter from short-medium range. And to top it he was using a Heavy-B series suit.

I hear lasers are the new TAR anyway

not really cause you have drawbacks with it. I got a proto laser,Nattmordur (or whatever he is called from betamax) has it aswell and a couple of other players aswell. Short range combat the AR wins, medium range the AR has still a fair chance but on long range you wont compete with a laser rifle. Now the TAC AR had beeing abused with modded controllers to make it the weapon for all situations. Trust me i can tell it from experience even if a starter fit n00b comes close to me he can cause massive damage with a militia assault rifle. Nattmordur from betamax can confirm it for you i played against him and i decided to get a AR and hunt him down which is quite easy due to the visibility from the laser beam. I won every encounter from short-medium range. And to top it he was using a Heavy-B series suit.

DUST has two major issues.

1. Too many people use militia gear (Although you might be making money you are drastically reducing your survivability against players using better gear)

2. People don/t know how to build their characters. ( I was playing with a friend of mine earlier and was a bit annoyed he couldn't build his character correctly..) CCP really does need to add an auto skill system for the people who dislike going through menu after menu in order to make their character stronger.


in terms of infantry battle, the only REAL reason as to why people cried things were OP is simply because they run militia gear or they have no idea as to how to fit a character properly. The flattening of not only the weapon damage, but also the dropsuit HP values were completely unwarranted, considering everything was balanced within their specific gear tier as it should have been.

Build after build, this game has devolved into a mindless shooter where people really don't have to think much when in gun battles besides holding down R1 or tapping it w/e it is that people desire. Back in replication, If you wanted to beat better players you had to outsmart them, and force them to battle you on your own terms were you had an advantage.

Gun-game is important, but f you can't build a character both effectively and efficiently you suck in this game. I know plenty of people that have fantastic skills on other games, but they try this one out and can't properly build a character so they suffer for it.

People simply need to learn how to effectively skill characters, or CCP needs to add some preset character paths that can be auto skilled.

If this game continues down the route it's going i'll delete it off my playstation and continue to play Blackops II. This game doesn't need to be another mindless BattlefieldMAGofDuty clone.

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Like with most "competitive" multiplayer games there's always a two week period in which your success at the game is often dictated. Of course, you can pick up the game after that period, but things are substantially more difficult, because people not only have figured out both the maps and which weapons to use. In addition to that two week period DUST has an ongoing arms race. This race forces people to play in order to get better gear. The skillcap was put in place to somewhat alleviate that arms race, and give people that can't play as hard as "no-lifers" a chance to remain somewhat competitive. ( I was one of the few good players in favor of the skill cap seeing as I can't play DUST 24/7 like some other people)

Smart players know how to get to their proto weapons within the first hours of a new build. This allows them to mop the floor with people who are playing in their miltia gear thinking "ohh golly gee i'm dying, but making a profit" Realistically speaking your only doing yourself a disservice by running militia gear . You're drastically lowering your survivability rate, and basically bending over before your opponent.

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ONLY IDIOTS RUN MILTIA GEAR. Use the best gear you have. Chances are you'll perform better in a match. Figure out ways in which you can minimize your losses using your best gear.

1. Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

2. As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

3. Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup.

4. To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.

Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

Im by no means flaming you when i say this but perhaps part of the blame in these nerfs belong with you guys and others who constantly ran proto everything outside of corp battles or against other teams you knew to have proto gear. Im not putting that squarely on your shoulders that belongs to every vet who's been around since E3 and decided to have a feast of all the newbies.

Granted i get it you're bored and their isnt a new playground for you guys yet and thats why it sucks, id probably do the same thing out of sheer boredom too. ,

Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup. It will be a safe harbor for miltia/std gear to earn their stripes before graduating to the levels of the game where you should be playing at currently but isnt yet available.

To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.

Granted my view maybe a bit skewed i only have a total of 2 weeks in this game so i dont know what it really was like in codex having only 4 days in that build before chromosome dropped, and now with this new build i definitely dont see the value in graduating.