http://youtu.be/IR4s4QswGS4?t=1m26s

Play more ambush games. Especially after you start hitting diminishing returns in terms of SP. The games are shorter and the payouts are the same, this will increase your profit margins very quickly.

Also might help getting the BPO stuff, yea i know paying AUR sucks and perhaps you have some principle against it. But for $3.50 worth of AUR you can fund a full BPO suit, best of all the tier I BPO suits have at least 1 more high powered module, increasing their durability just a bit more.

I mean there is little else worth paying real money for but for items that wont be lost when you die is definitely worth the money, especially when you consider you get it back next reset and official launch by which time the secondary market will hopefully have a way for you to get it with isk, though by the time you generate that much isk not sure if you will want them.

lmao you should have done that in your first post.

Ha. Militia gear is not even close to being as good as proto gear. I have seen proto logis with over 800hp. If there is a militia suit that can even come close to this please let me know. My guess is that a militia logi can get about 1/3 of this hp. Same is true with the other proto suits, this is just the most obvious example.

Ha. Militia gear is not even close to being as good as proto gear. I have seen proto logis with over 800hp. If there is a militia suit that can even come close to this please let me know. My guess is that a militia logi can get about 1/3 of this hp. Same is true with the other proto suits, this is just the most obvious example.

Yea, frankly its only cause of this nerf that i can compete. Im a freelancer with no corp and the first thing i did with my aur was buy miltia BPO for everything so that every game i played was pure profit.

Because of the nerf, i havent felt the need to spec into adv dropsuits at all instead focusing entirely on circuitry, mechanics, shield boost, shileld control.

Weaponry, operation, sharpshooter.

By making my free stuff stronger and myself less squishy alongside the current nerfs i can compete against almost anyone including proto suits. Especially with flux nades and MD or exile AR.

But thats the point i didnt try spread myself too thin i made sure to build my character right.

That 800HP is worthless when there is no amount of shield tanking that can withstand a single militia level flux nade 1200HP all shield damage. Once ive beridden you of shield your armor tank alone isnt going to withstand the barrage of MD fire coming your way or AR headshot(well that you have a better chance cause im super squishy and not a perfect shot).


Didn't say they were comparable in HP, i said that they werent specing into at the current moment from a financial point of view, at least not before specing into core skills. My build is 10 days old. My militia gear, actually its a tier I BPO suit with tier I modules and BPO equipment, it cost b/w 6800 and 18,000 ISK a suit. Yes my logi is weak and squishy it running 181 and 302 with two BPO shield extender and two Tier I armor plates. with RE, FLUX and bpo hive and repair that suit cost 17K, oh thats with regular MD.

My AR BPO that i use for ambush is 11K. But my shield boost is at 4 and shield control at 2 with mechanics at 3 all of which make those modules go a little further because of the natural bump in tank and shield regen. With the current weapon nerfs that is more than adequate to survive most 1v1 encounter. I can survive a lot of 2v1 3v1 with my MD but not my AR.

Regardless in 10 days i have 23M ISK, i have enough to fund the skill books i need and in 2 months time buy proto gear like ima boss. So when i do get my skills where they need to be im not struggling over the money. Point is you need to create a set that is pure profit generator regardless of what it might do to stats and then build your stats back up on the back end, if they are that important to you.


The way i see it in this game money talks, everything else is just a distraction.

This is how people in EVE explain ship skills to newbs. THIS WORKS. Because you are focusing on this when you finally fit proto gear you will be that unholy thing that all newbs fear. This is the difference between a guy who goes straight to battleships in EVE and the guy who is now into cruisers because he maxed out his core skills.

The battleship gets eaten by the skillfit cruiser.

The same is true of all the gear.

That being said the gap between militia and proto weapons (AR) is now TOO thin. but that is another argument entirely.

That fit has at least 1 armor plate, meaning even without its shield it is on equal footing in terms of hp with your average militia fit

It has 2 basic plates in fact. But yes thats the point i used the modules to help make up the difference, but more advanced suits have more modules so they can either have more tank or more damage or keep the same and add something else like hacking or dampener or regulator or whatever else they desire.

I find the problem with armor plates is movement speed gets hit too hard, and I think it should NOT effect my turning speed. But if it is going to do all that then it should reduce recoil a little to so there is a plus for actually using it instead of just hp

I think the thought is that shield extenders do not have negatives and they also have a natural recharge rate. Shields outclass armro in almost every way. I do not know why CCP hares armor.

DUST has two major issues.

1. Too many people use militia gear (Although you might be making money you are drastically reducing your survivability against players using better gear)

2. People don/t know how to build their characters. ( I was playing with a friend of mine earlier and was a bit annoyed he couldn't build his character correctly..) CCP really does need to add an auto skill system for the people who dislike going through menu after menu in order to make their character stronger.


in terms of infantry battle, the only REAL reason as to why people cried things were OP is simply because they run militia gear or they have no idea as to how to fit a character properly. The flattening of not only the weapon damage, but also the dropsuit HP values were completely unwarranted, considering everything was balanced within their specific gear tier as it should have been.

Yea but tbf your corp has had plenty of time to build characters and take them to the proto level. Now i agree with you that the nerfing of proto stuff sucks, but currently there is only one sandbox for everyone to play in, as a result your crew and everyone else who runs tanks and proto gear against everyone else who maybe have a few weeks to a month or 2 in the game simply dont have either the SP or the ISK or both to run at that level with any sustainability.

As a result those new to the game can't compete and their only recourse is to either stop playing or complain. CCP doesnt want them to stop playing each player is additional raw data that helps them make a better analysis of the current game and whatever this arena will ultimately be. Additionally they wanted to see more proto gear run hence the greater payouts.

Im by no means flaming you when i say this but perhaps part of the blame in these nerfs belong with you guys and others who constantly ran proto everything outside of corp battles or against other teams you knew to have proto gear. Im not putting that squarely on your shoulders that belongs to every vet who's been around since E3 and decided to have a feast of all the newbies.

Granted i get it you're bored and their isnt a new playground for you guys yet and thats why it sucks, id probably do the same thing out of sheer boredom too.

Point is once the sandbox opens and there are new avenues for you and everyone else at your SP/ISK level these pub areas wont be a place you guys will want to come because the ISK rewards wont be worth even the loss of a single proto setup. It will be a safe harbor for miltia/std gear to earn their stripes before graduating to the levels of the game where you should be playing at currently but isnt yet available.

To put it another way the ppl whove been around since E3 are now the AP level students being forced to take HS level subjects when they should have already moved on to college by now, except the college is a few months from being constructed so you're stuck.

Granted my view maybe a bit skewed i only have a total of 2 weeks in this game so i dont know what it really was like in codex having only 4 days in that build before chromosome dropped, and now with this new build i definitely dont see the value in graduating.

We haven't brought this upon ourselves seeing as CCP forces everybody to play in the same sandbox, back in early precursor there was a battle-finder which had gear restricted matches. Proto-type battles were anything goes. If militia players wanted to join the battles they KNEW what they were getting into. Most of the nerfs were really uncalled for (outside of the vehicle missile launchers)

CCP needs to get rid of the STUPID MATCH MAKING. (WHOEVER WANTED TO PUT MATCH MAKING INTO THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE FIRED) Bring back the old battle-finder with the different lobbies people could join.

There is one main reason why all weapons seemed overpowered, people keep using militia gear expecting to beat better gear. Solutions number one spend your skill points! Why was my TAR and other ARs considered op? Modded controllers -.- what a cop out, more sp another cop out, I know something you don't? Maybe it's called spend your skill points and specialize. But now since everything is flatten and takes little skill now your militia gear is basically the same as my proto gear. The only things worth speccing into are lasers(which are truly overpower by the damage they can put out compared to other weapons), grenades, heavies or vehicles(which I consider childish/ easy). So here is your first lesson! Now get out of your cheap militia gear and spend your skill points and isk there is not point in stockpiling

Why does this sound like you are complaining yet again.Using reverse psycology to say that LR are OP.
cry moar dude

This game isnt getting dumbed down at all...you guys brought down the TAR nerf on yourselfs.....