well so much for going stealth and carrying a sniper rifle...guess it's either stealth nova or stealth smg...

You add tracers then a scout sniper becomes pointless, so the extra recoil red on the scout suit becomes pointless. I foresee a ton of heavy snipers, I mean you're gonna get spotted anyway so just max out your armor and shields and sit in one place.

I thought the point was to make the snipers require skill, not to make it required that after each shot you have to run for 5 minutes to reposition? I can see how this would be beneficial if all the matches were public matches, but they're not. A large portion of the player base will be participating in team based play, and against a halfway competent team, after that first shot they will be all over you with a tracer.

So yea if all you plan to do is play public matches against a bunch of randoms then a tracer makes sense otherwise not so much. Already alot of corps don't consider snipers a neccessary part of team matches, make them easier to spot and we might as well say so long to snipers playing any part in team based activity.

I think I agree with this, you lost me a little.

Tracers on sniper shots do not make any sense to me. The whole point is to sneak in, make your shot and disappear before anyone knows where the shot came from. It is the very essence of sniping. Scout snipers in the real world do less killing and more scouting. When they do make a shot, it is devastating and then they vanish like a fart in the wind. As Infinity has said more than once this does need to be thought of in a video game context, not a reality context. I agree sort of on that line, but not on tracers and not on the devastating effect that a sniper should have.

What I see with sniping now is an environmental shortcoming that comes from us all being packed into a small area. Tanks and dropships get flamed for the same reasons, as does missile splash damage. To really see how all these things will play out, give us a couple of opened up maps.

well snipers already have a bright flash. so yes, tracers would be pointless

Tracers on sniper shots do not make any sense to me. The whole point is to sneak in, make your shot and disappear before anyone knows where the shot came from. It is the very essence of sniping.

Tracers on sniper shots do not make any sense to me. The whole point is to sneak in, make your shot and disappear before anyone knows where the shot came from. It is the very essence of sniping. Scout snipers in the real world do less killing and more scouting. When they do make a shot, it is devastating and then they vanish like a fart in the wind. As Infinity has said more than once this does need to be thought of in a video game context, not a reality context. I agree sort of on that line, but not on tracers and not on the devastating effect that a sniper should have.
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D*mn it Ccp just make all sniper rifles require a charge and be done. Does it really take someone whose nearly given up on this game to provide a decent balance method?

Yea I find it kinda funny that Infinity talks about thinking in video game context then has no issue with making the shooting more "realistic" with bullet drop and range etc.

Not saying those aren't needed, just think it's funny that he contradicts himself there lol.

NO! no charge for all snipers.

Just return the E3 build sniper sway and add bullet drop and travel time.

The flash isn't anything special, and gee whiz, what if you can't see the barrel of their gun? What if you aren't looking in their direction? Acting as if a little flash when a gun is fired is the same as a bright line going from the barrel of the gun to where the shot impacts are the same thing is pretty incredible. Do you really believe that stuff you said?



The essence of sniping is killing people from long range. Maybe in real life snipers rely on being unseen, but what does that have to do with Dust? And, incidentally, relying on stealth is a sure way to be killed. Snipers get spotted eventually. Period. The way to be successful isn't to pretend like you'll never be seen, like the fools most snipers are. It's to position yourself effectively so that, when you are seen, you can't be counter-sniped except by people who'll be staring down your gun barrel anyway.

The flash isn't anything special, and gee whiz, what if you can't see the barrel of their gun? What if you aren't looking in their direction? Acting as if a little flash when a gun is fired is the same as a bright line going from the barrel of the gun to where the shot impacts are the same thing is pretty incredible. Do you really believe that stuff you said?



The essence of sniping is killing people from long range. Maybe in real life snipers rely on being unseen, but what does that have to do with Dust? And, incidentally, relying on stealth is a sure way to be killed. Snipers get spotted eventually. Period. The way to be successful isn't to pretend like you'll never be seen, like the fools most snipers are. It's to position yourself effectively so that, when you are seen, you can't be counter-sniped except by people who'll be staring down your gun barrel anyway.

Exactly why not? It's a rail thats near identical to the small rail turret and i know from experience you don't spam the trigger

It has become clear now.

Yea I find it kinda funny that Infinity talks about thinking in video game context then has no issue with making the shooting more "realistic" with bullet drop and range etc.

Not saying those aren't needed, just think it's funny that he contradicts himself there lol.

its a big flash and it is pretty loud, meaning you don't have to see the muzzle of the gun or be looking in the direction they shot from. i can see when they shoot even if they are behind cover. use common sense please.

Because I want sniping to be more difficult not nerfed to uselessness.

It obviously hasn't.



You think it's funny because you aren't paying attention. I'm not advocating realism. I don't care about realism. Tracers and bullet drop and travel time for a railgun is most likely not realistic. What I'm advocating is gameplay. Every one of the reasons I've given is based on improving the game in some sense. I've never once said that X should be done because it would be more realistic. You clearly haven't taken the time to read any of my posts, and I am at a loss as to why you are responding to me at all.



The shot isn't audible unless you're at close range. The flash isn't any more noticeable than the flash of any other weapon. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I wouldn't mind at all if tracers, drop, travel time, and a charge were added to every sniper rifle. Although giving rifle a brief cocking delay after each shot might not be bad either. In any case, I liked the charge rifle a lot in Precursor. It's much worse in Codex due to the reduced damage overall, making one-hit-kills unlikely, but I think that rate of fire would be a very sensible direction to take sniper rifles. Some of the higher end ones, you can fire so quickly that a stationary target will take at least two hits before it can move.

That might be it right there. Although I am a sucker for a reload animation, if we just made all the Sniper Rifle's bolt action that would solve most of the complaints, wouldn't it?
Getting picked off by rapid fire snipers? He has a longer refire now, and has to upscope after a shot.
Being killed by a oneshot headshot? He kittening deserved that kill and you know it and give 'that enemy sniper' props.
You want a rapid fire long range gun? Grab a Tactical Assault Rifle, or as we call them in most shooters, a Marksman Rifle.

That might be it right there. Although I am a sucker for a reload animation, if we just made all the Sniper Rifle's bolt action that would solve most of the complaints, wouldn't it?
Getting picked off by rapid fire snipers? He has a longer refire now, and has to upscope after a shot.
Being killed by a oneshot headshot? He kittening deserved that kill and you know it and give 'that enemy sniper' props.
You want a rapid fire long range gun? Grab a Tactical Assault Rifle, or as we call them in most shooters, a Marksman Rifle.

But then what of all the other technology based advancements? I mean we have lasers but a sniper rifle is still bolt action? Also if CCP did this then they would have to make head shots kill everytime otherwise a sniper could NEVER kill a heavy and it would be difficult to kill proto suits.

I'm sure heavies would love this, but it just wouldn't make sense. Is range even a issue? Not really, cause the further away you get the more precise you have to be, especially when travel time and drop are implemented. Also the headshots become exponentially harder to make therefore your instant kills are almost non-existant and since you have to reload and then re-aim everytime after a shot they will be behind cover before you can line up your next shot.

There is a mix of reality and gaming that I'm apparently losing here.

I do not have a sniper tab on my arm, but a couple of friends and family do. Distance is not the essence of sniping. Professional snipers often make shots at very close range, so range is not the key factor. Key factors are being undetectable on approach and setup, making your kill shot without giving your position away, and moving out unscathed. Professional snipers also often do not have high kill counts compared to a frontline infantryman, they have tactical kills. They also spend more time on intel gathering/relaying than shooting.

If reality has nothing to do with the gaming world, even in a loose sense, then why have heavy armor, or assault rifles, or any other weapon/defense that is at least casually based on warfare as we know it?

Texas, never mind that you shot me the other night, I do agree that flashes work fine for counter sniping. Most snipers (hopefully) scan predictable perches and the flashes are a dead giveaway. Myself I never take more than 3 shots in the same spot and even then only if I have to for a kill. Still I do get spotted from time to time, though at this point only by a hand full of other snipers on 1 out of 4 maps. I spend roughly 50% of my scans as a sniper on potential spots where other snipers will be, and the flashes really point them out. One of the few interesting perks of sniping to me is when you are in a spot where you have a bead on a shooter, you know he sees you, and y'all duke it out. What else would make sniping fun?

:) I want a sniper rifle that fires derp rockets. That'll give people something to complain about.