DUST Search - Snipers Are Ruining The Game

SingleTap wrote:

Fivetimes Infinity wrote:

What's there to be guilty of? Even if this were an alt, how would that be a valid criticism against any of the issues I've raised with sniping? It's a logical fallacy to assume that calling this character an alt or suggesting my intentions are untoward is anything like a response to my claim that sniping is too easy, too powerful, and too safe.

It's a criticism of your truthfulness, saying you snipe, and that's why you want things to change. It's obvious, as your teammate pointed out, that you're not a sniper, but just someone who hates sniping and wants it to end. That's fine. Nerf sniping, I don't care. The point is you're so painfully bad at trying to act like you're a sniper. Not everyone is good at this EVE song and dance, trying not make people think one thing for manipulation. I'm just pointing out how awful you are at it. Lol

Don't feel bad.

A lot of other people have punched HUGE holes in your arguements. I've read the threads. Like the fact that snipers don't do well WP, ISK, and SP wise because getting 14 kills will only net you 700 WP, whereas guys on the ground easily tally 800- 2000 WP for hacking, blowing up vehicles/turrets, and killing. None of your arguments work, and your attempt at manipulation is laughable.

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Thurak Mirunas BetaMax. 9	Posted - 2012.11.06 18:02:00 - [121] - Quote tbh all i think we need to make snipers more balanced is to change how distant players appear, currently if you see someone miles away, they stick out against everything else as a big black silhouette, make it so they blend in with the background properly and snipers from the other side of the map wont be such a problem, it would also encourage snipers to move forwards and play as part of the squad more as they would need to see the targets properly. I play mostly sniper and I know without the black silhouette's i wouldn't kill as many people easily
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.06 18:58:00 - [122] - Quote They didn't stick out last patch and it didn't change much. Snipers were still very powerful. Even on that really foggy map with the rock spires, even if you couldn't actually see them, you could usually shoot them just based on their red arrow. Shayden Marko wrote: See this is what I'm talking about.... Nobody cares about your hurt feelings. If you don't have something about sniping to say, don't post.
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.06 20:49:00 - [123] - Quote dudeytron wrote: I'd love to see a game mode where Snipers aren't allowed. There are corp matches already that are for infantry only. CCP didn't have to do anything. If there are enough people that want to have fun but leave out any part or parts of it, the players can do that. Corp battles in all milita fits happen too, and so on. This is all good and well until a planet/system that your corp controls comes under attack. Honor fites go out the window at that point. These will be corp and alliance controlled battles though too, so lazy snipers probably won't be there much.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:14:00 - [124] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am a sniper. I am telling you and the other clowns, based on my not insignificant experience playing a sniper, that snipers are too effective and the counters people have been suggesting are mostly ***. You people always seem to think the only people advocating for sniper balance are the people being killed by snipers for some silly reason. LOL. You're a sniper. Right. No, your alt called Fivetimes Infinity is a sniper*, for the purposes of nerfing sniping. Nothing more, nothing less. And you haven't used that alt in weeks, as your kills have been at around 500 for 3 or 4 weeks. Come on man, you gotta put a little more thought into your backhanded approach. Too transparent as is.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:29:00 - [125] - Quote Don't quit your day job, detective.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:36:00 - [126] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Don't quit your day job, detective. Uh, oh. No rebuttle there. Someone looks guilty.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:47:00 - [127] - Quote What's there to be guilty of? Even if this were an alt, how would that be a valid criticism against any of the issues I've raised with sniping? It's a logical fallacy to assume that calling this character an alt or suggesting my intentions are untoward is anything like a response to my claim that sniping is too easy, too powerful, and too safe.
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.06 22:53:00 - [128] - Quote SingleTap wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: I am a sniper. I am telling you and the other clowns, based on my not insignificant experience playing a sniper, that snipers are too effective and the counters people have been suggesting are mostly ***. You people always seem to think the only people advocating for sniper balance are the people being killed by snipers for some silly reason. LOL. You're a sniper. Right. No, your alt called Fivetimes Infinity is a sniper*, for the purposes of nerfing sniping. Nothing more, nothing less. And you haven't used that alt in weeks, as your kills have been at around 500 for 3 or 4 weeks. Come on man, you gotta put a little more thought into your backhanded approach. Too transparent as is. I don't understand. You seem to feel like you've unlocked the mysteries of the universe for outing a player that practically wears the "I'm a sniper" t-shirt?
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 110	Posted - 2012.11.06 23:45:00 - [129] - Quote something to consider: all you "snipers" should be thankful. thankful TK is off. because once it goes on... oh holy god, every time real players drop out of the mcc and head down into the fight, ANY snipers on our team who haven't actually gotten down on to the field will be getting a hydroshock to the dome. repeatedly. wouldn't want you guys to miss out on what's going on down there. or you guys can hide in high sec for no loot. but yeah... all these anchor ass sniper pansies hiding on the mountain top while everyone else actually has to work... those dudes will be getting the TK facial a LOT. gotta love knowing that every time you die, it'll cost you that kit. figure maybe 4 or 5 tks per match oughta even things up. so you go ahead and protect that kd. but you're gonna be doing it at market costs. Peace B
Tenchu-13 What The French 76	Posted - 2012.11.06 23:46:00 - [130] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: You're the kind of person that needs to be driven away from the role, in that case. People who are doing it because it's an easy, safe way to kill ***** are the people we can afford to not want to play sniper any longer, once the new sniping mechanics are in. You sir should seriously get of your high horse and learn to agree to disagree without getting personal. I don't mind I can handle your opinion, it just kinda makes you look like a total douch, that's all. If you have read ANY of my posts you would know I am exactly the opposite of what you think I am, but in the end that's your loss and not mine. When the game launches I'll still be around, in snipergear, wether you like it or not. There are enough Corps out there that want me to join thus the simple fact YOU don't want me there really doesn't concern me in the slightest way. Up until that moment I'll simply adjust my game style and learn to compensate whatever new mechanics CCP throws at me and enjoy the game. Now go in peace and rant on.

Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:30:00 - [131] - Quote Tenchu-13 wrote: If you have read ANY of my posts Did you post in this thread before? If you did I probably read it, so that thing you were saying about reading your posts probably isn't true or whatever. Anyway, nobody cares about Mr. Sensitives going over to cry-baby's house for a vacation.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:56:00 - [132] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: What's there to be guilty of? Even if this were an alt, how would that be a valid criticism against any of the issues I've raised with sniping? It's a logical fallacy to assume that calling this character an alt or suggesting my intentions are untoward is anything like a response to my claim that sniping is too easy, too powerful, and too safe. It's a criticism of your truthfulness, saying you snipe, and that's why you want things to change. It's obvious, as your teammate pointed out, that you're not a sniper, but just someone who hates sniping and wants it to end. That's fine. Nerf sniping, I don't care. The point is you're so painfully bad at trying to act like you're a sniper. Not everyone is good at this EVE song and dance, trying not make people think one thing for manipulation. I'm just pointing out how awful you are at it. Don't feel bad. A lot of other people have punched HUGE holes in your arguements. I've read the threads. Like the fact that snipers don't do well WP, ISK, and SP wise because getting 14 kills will only net you 700 WP, whereas guys on the ground easily tally 800- 2000 WP for hacking, blowing up vehicles/turrets, and killing. None of your arguments work, and your attempt at manipulation is laughable.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:07:00 - [133] - Quote If you wasn't just another idiot forum warrior you'd realize that he actually does snipe and does a d*mn great job of it at that, your only argument is that he's a liar when he actually does what you claim he doesn't
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:23:00 - [134] - Quote Azraen Kador wrote: It should be a bit more realistic. We sould be able to hold our breath to prevent sway but only for a few seconds and depending on your adrenalin count like in the sniper: ghost warrior series I like this idea. It could drain your stamina when holding breath
Death On Contact Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:24:00 - [135] - Quote The primary mission of a Scout Sniper is to support combat operations by delivering precise long-range fire on selected targets. By this, the sniper creates casualties among enemy troops, slows enemy movement, frightens enemy soldiers, lowers morale, and adds confusion to their operations. The secondary mission of the sniper is collecting and reporting battlefield information. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Sniper Stop crying like a bunch of bitches. Semper Fi 93 - 01 Death On Contact
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:24:00 - [136] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: If you wasn't just another idiot forum warrior you'd realize that he actually does snipe and does a d*mn great job of it at that, your only argument is that he's a liar when he actually does what you claim he doesn't How often does he play? He's on the forums a lot, yet he hardly ever plays? I ask because he's been on 534 kills for a while now. No movement. It's as if he played a lot as a sniper, then came on the forums to cry about it, even though he is, as you so eloquently pointed out, a sniper. Kinda strange... But you're probably right. Also, it's "weren't". Just trying to give constructive criticism.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:31:00 - [137] - Quote I've stopped playing because Codex has the same bullshit hit detection and bad frame rate that Precursor did. I am not interested in enduring 10 loading screens in order to play a game where people don't die when I shoot them, and in some maps I can't aim properly because the game is so choppy. I am tired of these major, outstanding issues persisting across multiple builds.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:32:00 - [138] - Quote Forum Admins- please move this thread to the "Feedback/Request" section, as this thread is about feedback. Thank you.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:33:00 - [139] - Quote Like the majority of the people on this forum he's been playing for multiple builds and like some people ( including myself) he's apparently gotten tired of the game and is taking a break from it. I've played on the same side and against him dozens of times so I've seen he's a great sniper contrary to your assumption Edit: i had to type the other post with a pinky so i wasn't worried about grammar
Zqev 2	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:33:00 - [140] - Quote Death On Contact wrote: The primary mission of a Scout Sniper is to support combat operations by delivering precise long-range fire on selected targets. By this, the sniper creates casualties among enemy troops, slows enemy movement, frightens enemy soldiers, lowers morale, and adds confusion to their operations. The secondary mission of the sniper is collecting and reporting battlefield information. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Sniper Stop crying like a bunch of bitches. Semper Fi 93 - 01 Death On Contact ^ This.

Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:37:00 - [141] - Quote This isn't the US Army. Nobody cares about what a "scout sniper" is for.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 389	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:38:00 - [142] - Quote Death On Contact wrote: The primary mission of a Scout Sniper is to support combat operations by delivering precise long-range fire on selected targets. By this, the sniper creates casualties among enemy troops, slows enemy movement, frightens enemy soldiers, lowers morale, and adds confusion to their operations. The secondary mission of the sniper is collecting and reporting battlefield information. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Sniper Stop crying like a bunch of bitches. Semper Fi 93 - 01 Death On Contact Talk about taking sh*t too far to defend his op weapon
GOLD LEAD3R Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:39:00 - [143] - Quote SingleTap wrote: Forum Admins- please move this thread to the "Feedback/Request" section, as this thread is about feedback. Thank you. I don't agree with what you've written on other posts, but yes, this thread should be in the feedback section. CCP, why is this in general discussion. PLEASE MOVE. And then I'll post about how you're wrong, Single.
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:56:00 - [144] - Quote SingleTap wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: What's there to be guilty of? Even if this were an alt, how would that be a valid criticism against any of the issues I've raised with sniping? It's a logical fallacy to assume that calling this character an alt or suggesting my intentions are untoward is anything like a response to my claim that sniping is too easy, too powerful, and too safe. It's a criticism of your truthfulness, saying you snipe, and that's why you want things to change. It's obvious, as your teammate pointed out, that you're not a sniper, but just someone who hates sniping and wants it to end. That's fine. Nerf sniping, I don't care. The point is you're so painfully bad at trying to act like you're a sniper. Not everyone is good at this EVE song and dance, trying not make people think one thing for manipulation. I'm just pointing out how awful you are at it. Don't feel bad. A lot of other people have punched HUGE holes in your arguements. I've read the threads. Like the fact that snipers don't do well WP, ISK, and SP wise because getting 14 kills will only net you 700 WP, whereas guys on the ground easily tally 800- 2000 WP for hacking, blowing up vehicles/turrets, and killing. None of your arguments work, and your attempt at manipulation is laughable. You do not read much or pay attention much. He is one of the better snipers in the game. Most people that play ground infantry know that you can do better as an average infantryman (in terms of WP/SP/ISK) than you can as even an accurate sniper. You have punched holes in no arguements. You haven't even payed attention enough to see what the arguement is. I don't even agree with all he proposes, but there is no hole to punch in the fact that there are too many worthless snipers on the field. Especially as a Beta test, many players play many different roles and many different variations on those roles. When a tanker says "Ya this is so easy it isn't even fun", his comments are worth consideration, and if you have a better idea put it out.
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.11.07 07:21:00 - [145] - Quote This really needs to be moved to the feedback section.
Carl Hauser Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2012.11.07 08:24:00 - [146] - Quote Rugman91 wrote: Azraen Kador wrote: It should be a bit more realistic. We sould be able to hold our breath to prevent sway but only for a few seconds and depending on your adrenalin count like in the sniper: ghost warrior series I like this idea. It could drain your stamina when holding breath Yes I think that would work great. You could also design the sniper rifle skill around that, so that the sniper rifle skill could reduce the amount of stamina per second that is used to steady the scope.
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.11.07 08:54:00 - [147] - Quote Carl Hauser wrote: Rugman91 wrote: Azraen Kador wrote: It should be a bit more realistic. We sould be able to hold our breath to prevent sway but only for a few seconds and depending on your adrenalin count like in the sniper: ghost warrior series I like this idea. It could drain your stamina when holding breath Yes I think that would work great. You could also design the sniper rifle skill around that, so that the sniper rifle skill could reduce the amount of stamina per second that is used to steady the scope. Good ideas! This is what we need: suggestions. Not the constant bickering that seems to occur in the forums. It's okay to disagree with someone, but there's no reason to be rude. It is possible to 'agree to disagree'. Honestly, this is getting a bit ridiculous.
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.11.07 22:01:00 - [148] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: It would take longer to kill a full health heavy (or anyone) but that's the point. These suggestions aren't designed to keep snipers at the same level of power. They're nerfs. I want to see sniping weaker. Taking longer to land multiple hits on people would contribute to that end. But there is my point a sniper SHOULD be able to take out any other 1 person. Add the skill requirements but not to the point that they can't get that kill unless their target stays in the same place for over 30 seconds. I know this isn't realistic but in the terms of a game, someone gets hit by a sniper and tries to duck behind cover. Most players have armor reppers at this point so...the sniper gets a head shot on a heavy, but he doesn't die. Currently they can make a second and possibly 3rd shot to finish off the heavy before he gets to cover, if you add more time before the next shot that heavy will be behind cover and letting his armor repper get him back to full strength. Essentially no kill there. As for the proto gear having the same hp, I don't know whether or not it does, but I do know it has more CPU/PG. So you can put bigger HP and shield boosting modules on it. Same scenarion as the heavy, that proto gear gets to cover even faster than a heavy so again...no kill there. You all want to nerf the sniper or rather "make the sniper harder to use" all your suggestions besides the bullet drop and travel time(which is already going to be implemented) would not just make the sniper harder to use but make it basically useless. Tracer: No issues for pub matches but a death warrant in Corporation battles Bolt Action: The ONLY thing you would be able to 1-shot(and actually kill) would be standard and militia dropsuits of the Logi/Assault/Scout classes. And that's only if they haven't teched to allow them to use shield and hp extenders of some sort. I support a higher skill requirement, but don't want to see it useless.
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.11.07 22:24:00 - [149] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Uh, yeah, that's the entire point. As I said when I suggested tracers, the whole idea is to make your position known so it's easier for people to find and kill you. Currently, with sniping, you can go entire games without someone so much as taking a shot at you. Sniping would be more dangerous if you couldn't do it and stay unseen. That would be a positive change, in my view. And again I will state that for pub matches sure but for Corp matches it makes Snipers COMPLETELY useless. I think sacrificing competitive effectiveness for those who just want to run around killing stuff in public matches is wrong and can't believe you still refuse to acknoledge this comment I've made several times. Is that because you know that it would destroy the sniper as a competitive class?
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.11.07 22:28:00 - [150] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: They didn't stick out last patch and it didn't change much. Snipers were still very powerful. Even on that really foggy map with the rock spires, even if you couldn't actually see them, you could usually shoot them just based on their red arrow. Shayden Marko wrote: See this is what I'm talking about.... Nobody cares about your hurt feelings. If you don't have something about sniping to say, don't post. It's not his "hurt feelings" it's your bad attitude he was refferring to. As he stated about you doing to others, you didn't apologize, or address the issue, all you did was belittle him and continue spewing garbage.



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