I agree. Sniping is very low-skill, very safe, and very powerful. It isn't fun to deal with at all and needs to be reworked.



So you think snipers should require multiple people in a vehicle to take on? And if you go on foot you'll die to any half-competent sniper, assuming they're even in a place you can get to, and assuming you manage to bypass the rest of the sniper's team in the process.

Lol. I play sniper and understand them to some degree.

If you can't do all of the things I said or don't want to? Guess what. Get a counter sniper. From my previous experience, you only need one to disrupt their "reign". They'll get edgy and paranoid and decide to not snipe after a while. And if they do continue to snipe. Well easy kills for the counter sniper. The counter sniper knows exactly where the redliners are and will be, so the counter sniper can move to many different locations to throw them off.

That's what I call the Sniping Cycle. They'll be too focused on killing you, their major threat, than taking down your teammates.

You can counter snipe in a basic militia fit *shrug* and learning to snipe isn't that hard.

You need to stop assuming that everyone who thinks snipers need to be toned down has never played as a sniper before.



First off, you're a tit for suggesting people pointing out flaws in the game are "crying". The only people I see in this thread are people who are trying to enjoy the game only to have it made less enjoyable due to snipers, and the people who think the reason they go 20/0 as a sniper is because they're skilled at sniping. There's nobody crying here except, at the idea that people haven't magically ceased to realize snipers are unbalanced.

The reason the topic has been brought up a lot is because snipers are still no fun for anyone but the sniper, and CCP hasn't done anything to change that. This topic will be brought up, ad infinitum, so long as that remains true. Unless CCP takes action, people will continue to be put off the game by snipers, and will voice their concerns about it on the forum. So get used to it.

I'm just going to stick my ore in here and say that Snipers, in their current form are the worst thing to remain in the modern (that is date wise, not setting wise) FPS genre. Back in the days of Unreal 99, yeah, they had their place, these days however they are over-romantisied. Portrayed as a lone wolf delivering justice one bullet at a time, away from the chain of command and free to act on his own.

The reality is, the modern portrayal of the sniper in FPS games released lately is totally off, an archaic design that didn't evolve with the genre. Everyone else now fills a role and works toward to goal of victory, everyone else supplies the team around them, revives them, leads them to victory and keeps their squad working as flexible, formidable fighting force. The 'Sniper' has absolutely no place in that paradigm.

Now I am not against snipers in concept, the reality is, every squad needs a way to deliver accurate, devastating fire. It increases the effective range of the unit as a whole and provides suppression against targets. Right now in a 14-vs-14 player game, you can guarantee, especially on that barren rock planet with the funny sloped rocky outcrops, that 9 out of those 14 on either team are Snipers and that ruins the game for everyone...

The "Sniper" Class needs to go and be replaced with a Designated Marksman type class. Those single shot rifles we have under Assault Rifles should be there's, not a fancy pants railgun. They should be focused on delivering lethal, accurate fire power down range but they should be doing it WITH the squad, give them a real reason to be out on the frontline with the rest of us... Take a leaf out of Bad Company 2's book and give them tools to aid in spotting and recon. Make them the target callers and give them means to see through Signal Dampening. Take away the incredibly dull "Sit on a hill and wait for a red dot" style of game play and give them a purpose in the team orientated paradigm.

And if we _DO_ keep the sniper class, there needs to be an incredibly harsh restriction on them, or add ballistics, see something like ArmA2 for that.. See games like Red Orchestra 2, that made it so there is no more than 1-2 per team depending on the map, because in reality, Snipers are a Platoon Level asset, there are about 2 snipers or 1 sniper team for every 50 men... and even then, a sniper will only fire 1-2 shots for an entire engagment... so many games ignore that these days.

Hope that wasn't too long for you all. Give your feedback please, but keep the flames away. If you disagree, why?

How about we think about it in the context of a video game instead?



And then let's write a bunch of useless hyperbole and act as if the game is perfectly balanced and there's no room for improvement.



I am a sniper. I am telling you and the other clowns, based on my not insignificant experience playing a sniper, that snipers are too effective and the counters people have been suggesting are mostly ****. You people always seem to think the only people advocating for sniper balance are the people being killed by snipers for some silly reason.

Anyway, words words, nobody cares, sniper rifles are being nerfed as they ought to be, thread over.

Travel time and drop are probably enough. Adding wind would be a bit much, I think. Too sniper sim-like.

The shots don't have tracers. Assault rifles do. I think scrambler pistols do too. Sniper rifles don't. They could use them, though, definitely.

Tracers on sniper shots do not make any sense to me. The whole point is to sneak in, make your shot and disappear before anyone knows where the shot came from. It is the very essence of sniping. Scout snipers in the real world do less killing and more scouting. When they do make a shot, it is devastating and then they vanish like a fart in the wind. As Infinity has said more than once this does need to be thought of in a video game context, not a reality context. I agree sort of on that line, but not on tracers and not on the devastating effect that a sniper should have.
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The flash isn't anything special, and gee whiz, what if you can't see the barrel of their gun? What if you aren't looking in their direction? Acting as if a little flash when a gun is fired is the same as a bright line going from the barrel of the gun to where the shot impacts are the same thing is pretty incredible. Do you really believe that stuff you said?



The essence of sniping is killing people from long range. Maybe in real life snipers rely on being unseen, but what does that have to do with Dust? And, incidentally, relying on stealth is a sure way to be killed. Snipers get spotted eventually. Period. The way to be successful isn't to pretend like you'll never be seen, like the fools most snipers are. It's to position yourself effectively so that, when you are seen, you can't be counter-sniped except by people who'll be staring down your gun barrel anyway.

It obviously hasn't.



You think it's funny because you aren't paying attention. I'm not advocating realism. I don't care about realism. Tracers and bullet drop and travel time for a railgun is most likely not realistic. What I'm advocating is gameplay. Every one of the reasons I've given is based on improving the game in some sense. I've never once said that X should be done because it would be more realistic. You clearly haven't taken the time to read any of my posts, and I am at a loss as to why you are responding to me at all.



The shot isn't audible unless you're at close range. The flash isn't any more noticeable than the flash of any other weapon. You have no idea what you're talking about.

That might be it right there. Although I am a sucker for a reload animation, if we just made all the Sniper Rifle's bolt action that would solve most of the complaints, wouldn't it?
Getting picked off by rapid fire snipers? He has a longer refire now, and has to upscope after a shot.
Being killed by a oneshot headshot? He kittening deserved that kill and you know it and give 'that enemy sniper' props.
You want a rapid fire long range gun? Grab a Tactical Assault Rifle, or as we call them in most shooters, a Marksman Rifle.

It would take longer to kill a full health heavy (or anyone) but that's the point. These suggestions aren't designed to keep snipers at the same level of power. They're nerfs. I want to see sniping weaker. Taking longer to land multiple hits on people would contribute to that end.

Uh, yeah, that's the entire point. As I said when I suggested tracers, the whole idea is to make your position known so it's easier for people to find and kill you. Currently, with sniping, you can go entire games without someone so much as taking a shot at you. Sniping would be more dangerous if you couldn't do it and stay unseen. That would be a positive change, in my view.

They didn't stick out last patch and it didn't change much. Snipers were still very powerful. Even on that really foggy map with the rock spires, even if you couldn't actually see them, you could usually shoot them just based on their red arrow.



Nobody cares about your hurt feelings. If you don't have something about sniping to say, don't post.