You do know most of the snipers don't even cover objectives and are very easy to kill right? My squad rarely has trouble with enemy snipers because I take them out while watching 2 objectives. seriously this ain't call of duty, you need some basic strategy people.

As a forge gunner I will admit that I find snipers annoying, but that doesn't mean I'm going to call for the nerf bat. They're fine. I find they usually move or duck when I start lobbing forge rounds at them from across the map. I've even managed to hit a few of them. What also needs to be remembered is that if you put your sight on a sniper in the hills, it lights them up for your whole team to see, on the mini map if they're in range for that, or the chevron for anyone on your team looking that direction.

My point is that there are counters to everything in the game, including snipers. If they're in a position where they can't be hit by anything, then they're not in a position to shoot anything either. Then one or two well placed guys shouldn't have any problem keeping them pinned.

But like was mentioned above, when we get the full maps opened (because we're playing on an eighth or smaller section of the maps now), the dynamics of play will change a lot.

How am I wrong? For stating the obvious choice of tactics?

Someone's sniping you and you can't get to them from your position with your current fit.

What do you do? Take an alternative and deal with the enemy. As I have said in this thread you have a few options.

1. Vehicle suppressive fire
2. Swarming the area with Mercs looking for the enemy sniper(s)
3. The safest, and smartest route would be to counter-snipe.


>_> People here are just not used to *Adapt or Die*

I don't believe the whole team sees them if you spot just your squad.

32 Players - 17 Snipers. Counted. It's not even fun anymore. And don't tell me it takes skill, I've gone 12-0 with a militia sniper rifle, all you do is crouch, wait for dot to run red and fire. It's not even kitten funny anymore.

CCP Wolfman is redoing sniper rifles to have projectile travel time and bullet drop. Snipers will have to compensate for that and lead their targets to get kills. Its being worked on.

CCP Wolfman is redoing sniper rifles to have projectile travel time and bullet drop. Snipers will have to compensate for that and lead their targets to get kills. Its being worked on.

Thats the only reason why I miss last build's lag

can't wait, but I would rather have current snipers keep hit scan with a lower amount of damage (for the n00bs) and have a new heavy duty minmatar bullet drop sniper.

I agree. Sniping is very low-skill, very safe, and very powerful. It isn't fun to deal with at all and needs to be reworked.



So you think snipers should require multiple people in a vehicle to take on? And if you go on foot you'll die to any half-competent sniper, assuming they're even in a place you can get to, and assuming you manage to bypass the rest of the sniper's team in the process.

Actually...yes.

Think about it realisticly, a sniper vs an infantry guy....you think someone with an AR should be able to take out a sniper easy? Without utilizing cover? Without using skill to get closer? Ok so lets just make a sniper's range exactly the same as an ARs and while we're at it lets just take off the scopes too.

Honestly lets just grab that nerf bat and make all the players in proto gear able to be one shot with a smg from 500+ yards away. Lets Call of Duty this game right now before it gets anymore interesting.

I'll tell you what IS ruining the game, everyone wanting to swing the nerf bat. There are counters to snipers if you read the rest of the posts on here, shotguns, dropships, countersnipers, tanks, even LAVs. Try learning something else or running with competent players that can help you cover the aspects you are not geared to counter.

Lol. I play sniper and understand them to some degree.

If you can't do all of the things I said or don't want to? Guess what. Get a counter sniper. From my previous experience, you only need one to disrupt their "reign". They'll get edgy and paranoid and decide to not snipe after a while. And if they do continue to snipe. Well easy kills for the counter sniper. The counter sniper knows exactly where the redliners are and will be, so the counter sniper can move to many different locations to throw them off.

That's what I call the Sniping Cycle. They'll be too focused on killing you, their major threat, than taking down your teammates.

You can counter snipe in a basic militia fit *shrug* and learning to snipe isn't that hard.

Actually...yes.

Think about it realisticly

Honestly lets just grab that nerf bat and make all the players in proto gear able to be one shot with a smg from 500+ yards away. Lets Call of Duty this game right now before it gets anymore interesting.

Try learning something else or running with competent players that can help you cover the aspects you are not geared to counter.

You need to stop assuming that everyone who thinks snipers need to be toned down has never played as a sniper before.



First off, you're a tit for suggesting people pointing out flaws in the game are "crying". The only people I see in this thread are people who are trying to enjoy the game only to have it made less enjoyable due to snipers, and the people who think the reason they go 20/0 as a sniper is because they're skilled at sniping. There's nobody crying here except, at the idea that people haven't magically ceased to realize snipers are unbalanced.

The reason the topic has been brought up a lot is because snipers are still no fun for anyone but the sniper, and CCP hasn't done anything to change that. This topic will be brought up, ad infinitum, so long as that remains true. Unless CCP takes action, people will continue to be put off the game by snipers, and will voice their concerns about it on the forum. So get used to it.

I'm just going to stick my ore in here and say that Snipers, in their current form are the worst thing to remain in the modern (that is date wise, not setting wise) FPS genre. Back in the days of Unreal 99, yeah, they had their place, these days however they are over-romantisied. Portrayed as a lone wolf delivering justice one bullet at a time, away from the chain of command and free to act on his own.

The reality is, the modern portrayal of the sniper in FPS games released lately is totally off, an archaic design that didn't evolve with the genre. Everyone else now fills a role and works toward to goal of victory, everyone else supplies the team around them, revives them, leads them to victory and keeps their squad working as flexible, formidable fighting force. The 'Sniper' has absolutely no place in that paradigm.

Now I am not against snipers in concept, the reality is, every squad needs a way to deliver accurate, devastating fire. It increases the effective range of the unit as a whole and provides suppression against targets. Right now in a 14-vs-14 player game, you can guarantee, especially on that barren rock planet with the funny sloped rocky outcrops, that 9 out of those 14 on either team are Snipers and that ruins the game for everyone...

The "Sniper" Class needs to go and be replaced with a Designated Marksman type class. Those single shot rifles we have under Assault Rifles should be there's, not a fancy pants railgun. They should be focused on delivering lethal, accurate fire power down range but they should be doing it WITH the squad, give them a real reason to be out on the frontline with the rest of us... Take a leaf out of Bad Company 2's book and give them tools to aid in spotting and recon. Make them the target callers and give them means to see through Signal Dampening. Take away the incredibly dull "Sit on a hill and wait for a red dot" style of game play and give them a purpose in the team orientated paradigm.

And if we _DO_ keep the sniper class, there needs to be an incredibly harsh restriction on them, or add ballistics, see something like ArmA2 for that.. See games like Red Orchestra 2, that made it so there is no more than 1-2 per team depending on the map, because in reality, Snipers are a Platoon Level asset, there are about 2 snipers or 1 sniper team for every 50 men... and even then, a sniper will only fire 1-2 shots for an entire engagment... so many games ignore that these days.

Hope that wasn't too long for you all. Give your feedback please, but keep the flames away. If you disagree, why?

How about we think about it in the context of a video game instead?



And then let's write a bunch of useless hyperbole and act as if the game is perfectly balanced and there's no room for improvement.



I am a sniper. I am telling you and the other clowns, based on my not insignificant experience playing a sniper, that snipers are too effective and the counters people have been suggesting are mostly ****. You people always seem to think the only people advocating for sniper balance are the people being killed by snipers for some silly reason.

They only work on people who are bad at sniping. So I'm not surprised if you've seen them work over and over.

How about we think about it in the context of a video game instead?



And then let's write a bunch of useless hyperbole and act as if the game is perfectly balanced and there's no room for improvement.



I am a sniper. I am telling you and the other clowns, based on my not insignificant experience playing a sniper, that snipers are too effective and the counters people have been suggesting are mostly ****. You people always seem to think the only people advocating for sniper balance are the people being killed by snipers for some silly reason.

Anyway, words words, nobody cares, sniper rifles are being nerfed as they ought to be, thread over.

Anyway, words words, nobody cares, sniper rifles are being nerfed as they ought to be, thread over.

Don't think about it as being nerfed. Think of it as adding a player skill requirement that will make sniping a balanced and challenging role that a person could both enjoy and take pride in.

Travel time and drop are probably enough. Adding wind would be a bit much, I think. Too sniper sim-like.

The shots don't have tracers. Assault rifles do. I think scrambler pistols do too. Sniper rifles don't. They could use them, though, definitely.