I hope current %return and or how close to cap you are is displayed.

Or are we talking by the end of the 7 day period, even if I do insanely well in a match and cap every objective single handedly and go 200-0, I may only get 50 SP?

Meh, all these rules and quotas, just do a pure time system like Eve.

Seriously. ive been suggesting this in the feedback section the EVE sytem worked great. X skills Takes X amout of hours/minutes to train

I think you guys misunderstanding the change here.

I'm pretty sure it means that instead of burning out the SP gain in a single day - its stretched over an entire week. The way I read this, if you play the same amount of time every night of the week, you'll probably end up with the same amount of SP each week after the change.

But for someone like me, that might only play once or twice a week, on the one day I DO sit down to play, I still start running into a slow SP gain by the end of an evening's worth of play. This sounds like if you only play for one or two days, you'll be getting the maximum amount of SP for your matches, and only those that are grinding points every single day for several hours will see the decline after a couple days of play.

If I'm reading this right, its a HUGE benefit to the casual players who can only log in a day or two in a week, but that hardcore players grinding every day won't see much difference - it'll just take a week for them to bleed out their SP gain bonus and it'll be the last couple of days of the week you gain the least amount of LP in your matches.

I hope that made sense.

This kinda makes boosters pointless though doesnt it? Now instead of gaining more skills over your opponents, you just gain them faster and cap out at the same place as them.

Said something this post isn't talking about.

Love the HK-40 drone series, just saying.

So I'm guessing ccp's estimate of 7yrs has now gone to roughly 21yrs.
I have never seen a game where you get penalised for liking a game and wanting to play it.

I believe this is a big misconception. You are not playing a game in order to accumulate points, you are playing it because it's fun to play (if you're not I say you're doing it wrong). Not giving out more than x SP per week doesn't take away anything from the gameplay and hence from the fun of playing the game.
By earning points, people like to think they get 'rewarded' for playing a game, while in reality the game just dangles a carrot in front of their noses the whole time. Then when the game suddenly removes this carrot, people feel 'penalized' for playing. That thinking simply doesn't make sense to me.

Exactly, think EVE. Online or offline you earn exactly the same XP per second/minute/hour etc. People play that game like they are crack addicts.
Its more about ISK for them than XP (as someone who played on and off from 2005-2012).

I believe this is a big misconception. You are not playing a game in order to accumulate points, you are playing it because it's fun to play (if you're not I say you're doing it wrong). Not giving out more than x SP per week doesn't take away anything from the gameplay and hence from the fun of playing the game.
By earning points, people like to think they get 'rewarded' for playing a game, while in reality the game just dangles a carrot in front of their noses the whole time. Then when the game suddenly removes this carrot, people feel 'penalized' for playing. That thinking simply doesn't make sense to me.

At least all my characters will get a workout anyway. Probably work out quite well in the long run.

I really, really hope its per character and not per account.

I got laughed at for mentioning the playing for fun, didn't you know you play to win here or so I was told .

Fun has no part in games any more

Have you ever thought that for some people ranking up is fun? I like seeing how fast I can rank up etc and if I want to stop I can use an alt account etc. Taking away that choice from players is not a smart move. As for the guy saying about the fun of the game, lets be honest here as a FPS it's mediocre at best, the levelling system makes it interesting, take away that system or nerf the **** out of it, what do you have left? Just a average shooter if that. If people truly are playing for fun they shouldn't care how fast someone else has levelled up, besides isn't the whole matchmaking system supposed to stop a crappy player in militia gear playing against a good player in higher end gear? If so what's your guys problem?

Have you ever thought that for some people ranking up is fun? I like seeing how fast I can rank up etc and if I want to stop I can use an alt account etc. Taking away that choice from players is not a smart move. As for the guy saying about the fun of the game, lets be honest here as a FPS it's mediocre at best, the levelling system makes it interesting, take away that system or nerf the **** out of it, what do you have left? Just a average shooter if that. If people truly are playing for fun they shouldn't care how fast someone else has levelled up, besides isn't the whole matchmaking system supposed to stop a crappy player in militia gear playing against a good player in higher end gear? If so what's your guys problem?

I believe this is a big misconception. You are not playing a game in order to accumulate points, you are playing it because it's fun to play (if you're not I say you're doing it wrong).

From Codex patch notes:

"Diminishing returns for skill points earned from battles are now on a 7-day cycle that resets at downtime every Tuesday (used to reset every day at downtime)"


I find that disappointing.
I used to think current system (reset every day) was ingenious,
it gave incentive to log on every day. Hell, I felt compelled to play the sweet games every day and of course some more...

Now it may be that there'll be several dust-free days. Not entirely bad as I'm likely to get some sleeping hours finally...

Have you ever thought that for some people ranking up is fun? I like seeing how fast I can rank up etc and if I want to stop I can use an alt account etc.

... Taking away that choice from players is not a smart move. As for the guy saying about the fun of the game, lets be honest here as a FPS it's mediocre at best, the levelling system makes it interesting, take away that system or nerf the **** out of it, what do you have left? Just a average shooter if that.

If people truly are playing for fun they shouldn't care how fast someone else has levelled up, besides isn't the whole matchmaking system supposed to stop a crappy player in militia gear playing against a good player in higher end gear?

Have you ever thought that for some people ranking up is fun? I like seeing how fast I can rank up etc and if I want to stop I can use an alt account etc. Taking away that choice from players is not a smart move. As for the guy saying about the fun of the game, lets be honest here as a FPS it's mediocre at best, the levelling system makes it interesting, take away that system or nerf the **** out of it, what do you have left? Just a average shooter if that. If people truly are playing for fun they shouldn't care how fast someone else has levelled up, besides isn't the whole matchmaking system supposed to stop a crappy player in militia gear playing against a good player in higher end gear? If so what's your guys problem?

Guys guys guys! I really think everyone is jumping to conclusions here. I believe that the hard cap and the diminishing returns affect two very different aspects of gaining skills.

*Diminishing returns for skill points earned from battles are now on a 7-day cycle that resets at downtime every Tuesday (used to reset every day at downtime)
*Skill point accrual has been rebalanced and now has a hard cap per week that corresponds to EVE Online

Diminishing returns are for skills gained from battles.

Hard caps are for accrual meaning the passive sp increase even when we are not playing/fighting.


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Diminishing returns are for skills gained from battles.

Hard caps are for accrual meaning the passive sp increase even when we are not playing/fighting.

I believe this is a big misconception. You are not playing a game in order to accumulate points, you are playing it because it's fun to play (if you're not I say you're doing it wrong). Not giving out more than x SP per week doesn't take away anything from the gameplay and hence from the fun of playing the game.
By earning points, people like to think they get 'rewarded' for playing a game, while in reality the game just dangles a carrot in front of their noses the whole time. Then when the game suddenly removes this carrot, people feel 'penalized' for playing. That thinking simply doesn't make sense to me.

Why should the hard cap on SP only affect passive income? That doesn't make any sense, because passive SP income has always been capped at a fixed amount per time, equal for everyone. If you're earning SP actively by playing a match, then you're still accruing them, don't you think ;)

Edit: what Tarn Adari said.

Hmmm ... Good points.

However, why would they have two different statements pertaining to the same thing.

^^^This. Thanks for saying all that, I couldn't be bothered.

and u my friend dont understand the console community very well.
ppl play these sorta games and keep coming back to them because they like unlocking stuff and continuously like gettin new gear etc.

why do u think ppl actually prestige in cod games?
when ppl hit the cap thats it for the week. some will still play but im sure with other games on the market they will go play something else especially since they wont feel obligated in any way to play DUST as its free and they spent actual money on another game.

if I reach the weekly cap will I stop getting SP until the reset? If that's the case then why keep playing?

Lol what? People play CoD because like it or not it's core FPS mechanics are very good. Those who play it just for fun don't usually prestige, those who play it for fun and to level up go to max prestige and even then they can work on gun challenges etc if they want to. People say SP cap won't make much of a difference but it will to those who actually want to level up their character as quick as they can, you may not understand this but many people like to see how fast they can max a character etc. If they reached the SP cap in a couple of days they have no incentive to play because they are not getting anywhere, most of those kind of players do not care about playing just to get ISK. Me personally if that was the case I wouldn't spend any money on this game as I'd have no need for boosters etc. You limit the levelling up then people will go elsewhere to get their challenges and just play this on the odd occasion (if at all).

People say SP cap won't make much of a difference but it will to those who actually want to level up their character as quick as they can, you may not understand this but many people like to see how fast they can max a character etc. If they reached the SP cap in a couple of days they have no incentive to play because they are not getting anywhere ...

I dont think a cap is a very good idea we wont have a say in this anyway but as meny people say there is no point having boosters if there is a cap I have a 30 day booster witch now makes me feal ive been coned out of -ú15 witch I got mainly for the booster so dont you think if there is going to be a cap that the gain shuld be reduced by say 50%. at its half way point then people useing a booster. Add say 25% increase to the reduced amount so ultimately you can gain all the time but its hard to reach the limit in the first place. This may sound stupid but ultimately may make everyone happy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the boosters also increase the maximum of the hard cap.

I don't really care about this, skiled players can dominate the battle with either 0 SP, or 20 million sp. SP is not as important in dust as it is in EVE. Actual player skill is the most important.

I've said before and I will say it again. Passive SP and active everything else. Skills should be time based not action based.

Lol... If only having actual shooting skills made a difference in how far your guns could shoot, or how much ammo is in your clip. How much armor/shields you have, and how fast they regenerate, how fast you reload, and a number of other factors...

Boosters should go above the cap to give incentive to buy, if not they are useless they will just make you cap faster

Problem with that is its making it a P2W issue which is something we dont want either.

A good player does not need to rely on gimmicks like those.


Sure, having 60 bullets instead of 45 is nice, but that's just convenience. A good player can run full militia, and still hit the top of the score board.

why would that make it pay to win if it wasn't pay to win before

I do hit top of the board in militia gear... Lol... Know how? Skills... Haha! :-P

If skills were time based in DUST, what would be the motivation to play? You're catering to a different crowd than in EVE.

Do I have an EVE account? Yes, which I log in, fill up skill cue and log out.

FPS's are fast paced, I need a reason to log in. I want to earn/level up something besides my isk.

Motivation to play ? Seriously people..... So for you, the motivation to play is how many SP you'll gain at the end of the game ?
And here i was thinking that i was playing to have fun, shoot people in the face with my pals, conquer planets, etc....

Oh god i was all wrong.... it WAS ALL about the SP.


Sometimes i'm disgusted with what i read..... "Oh no please, dont take away from me my way to make SP all night long and make noobs QQ with my millions advanced SP. Oh no please, how will i make my KDR shine if i can't have more SP than 98% of players...."

This is mean, but seriously those analyses DESERVE mean. You are supposed to be BETA TESTERS and CARE for the greater good in a game. gaining SP isnt or at least SHOULDNT be the fun part. And now think, when you have grind like hell and skilled EVERY LITTLE SKILL. What will be the incentive to play then ?



FKITTEN !

PS: quoted you but i could have quoted a lot more people on that;

so how do you build more then one character if only one of them gets passive sp gain?

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

I see a thread!

There's going to be a devblog on how the skill system changed, but here's the gist of it:

We noticed in the past few months that having the diminishing returns on a 24-hour cycle had some downsides to it. It forced players to log in every day in order to not lose out on skill gain and consequently made e.g. taking a break quite difficult. Simply put, we felt that things were a bit too intense. As a short-term measure to combat this, we made it so that the diminishing returns to reset every seven days instead of every 24 hours. This should allow players to choose when to play without feeling stressed out about jumping in every day (although you can do just that as well). A reasonable amount of game time each week should allow you to earn all the points you can and keep up with the more hardcore players. Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

Finally, the per-week skill caps are per character, so if you're hardcore, you can grind on your other characters if your main hits the cap.

so does this mean if you have a booster you will have a bigger cap ?

so does this mean if you have a booster you will have a bigger cap ?

Thanks Nothin, any chance you could give us the amount of SP to reach CAP without booster ?

I like this 7 day cycle, i took a break from this build for a couple of day and i lost nearly 2+ MIL SP, which is quite a bit. Good job CCP!

Yep, far more flexible, +1 for CCP

I like this 7 day cycle, i took a break from this build for a couple of day and i lost nearly 2+ MIL SP, which is quite a bit. Good job CCP!

non players ^^^

^^^ Pretentious douche.

Yup. Those who use boosters from day 1 will always have 50% more skillpoints on their character than people without boosters.
And if that's not pay-to-win then I'm Santa Claus.

I really don't get this BS with punishing the players who actually play the game and being all carebear about it.

In 6 months it'll be totally irrelevant when everyone's had 6 months advance on the new guys. What then CCP?, are you gonna remove SP from the loyal players every 6 months to keep them from being too far ahead of the new guys?

This system is the worst idea you could possibly do. The old one was bad, but this is just beyond stupid.

The idea is to make people play your game and not punish your loyal player base for actually playing, are you that blind to not see how stupid this idea is??

FPS players in general are far more fickle than I'd bet most EvE players are. Your dealing with short attention spans and the need for instant gratification on the whole. Removing the constant progression just doesn't make sense to keep people interested in the game.

Your basically saying "Times up this week guys, go play something else for a few days". That's not how you keep your player base playing tbh.

I see a thread!

There's going to be a devblog on how the skill system changed, but here's the gist of it:

We noticed in the past few months that having the diminishing returns on a 24-hour cycle had some downsides to it. It forced players to log in every day in order to not lose out on skill gain and consequently made e.g. taking a break quite difficult. Simply put, we felt that things were a bit too intense. As a short-term measure to combat this, we made it so that the diminishing returns to reset every seven days instead of every 24 hours. This should allow players to choose when to play without feeling stressed out about jumping in every day (although you can do just that as well). A reasonable amount of game time each week should allow you to earn all the points you can and keep up with the more hardcore players. Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

Finally, the per-week skill caps are per character, so if you're hardcore, you can grind on your other characters if your main hits the cap.

I really don't get this BS with punishing the players who actually play the game and being all carebear about it.

In 6 months it'll be totally irrelevant when everyone's had 6 months advance on the new guys. What then CCP?, are you gonna remove SP from the loyal players every 6 months to keep them from being too far ahead of the new guys?

This system is the worst idea you could possibly do. The old one was bad, but this is just beyond stupid.

The idea is to make people play your game and not punish your loyal player base for actually playing, are you that blind to not see how stupid this idea is??

FPS players in general are far more fickle than I'd bet most EvE players are. Your dealing with short attention spans and the need for instant gratification on the whole. Removing the constant progression just doesn't make sense to keep people interested in the game.

Your basically saying "Times up this week guys, go play something else for a few days". That's not how you keep your player base playing tbh.

This was a change that was fairly easy to make and it makes things much more convenient for people who don't have time to jump in and exhaust their daily quota every day.

That said, we don't think the system is perfect as it is. As many of you point out, having a cap you can hit per week is not optimal, since you stop being rewarded from playing the game. We have been discussing better solutions, but they all require more development resources than we had available. A potential future solution would be system that features a pool of redeemable SP that fills up passively at a constant rate. You would earn points from that pool by fighting in battles. Once the pool is empty, you would have to wait for a while for it to fill up again (or earn just the tiny amount that you accrued into the pool while you were in battle).

What we put in now is by no means the final iteration on the system, so I encourage you to give feedback and keep posting. That's the way to get what you desire.

Then go beta test another game and give me your stuff before you leave.

This was a change that was fairly easy to make and it makes things much more convenient for people who don't have time to jump in and exhaust their daily quota every day.

That said, we don't think the system is perfect as it is. As many of you point out, having a cap you can hit per week is not optimal, since you stop being rewarded from playing the game. We have been discussing better solutions, but they all require more development resources than we had available. A potential future solution would be system that features a pool of redeemable SP that fills up passively at a constant rate. You would earn points from that pool by fighting in battles. Once the pool is empty, you would have to wait for a while for it to fill up again (or earn just the tiny amount that you accrued into the pool while you were in battle).

What we put in now is by no means the final iteration on the system, so I encourage you to give feedback and keep posting. That's the way to get what you desire.

That sounds exactly like what i suggested in the feedback forum and i really do think that would fit the game perfectly.

Yes, but you're not taking into account all of the instant gratification, flashing lights and loud noises that the FPS community seemingly -cannot live without-.

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is considering that these guys have never had an FPS that gave out skill points as a reward rather than another gun. When you reach a certain level in Call of Duty you just go into the "prestige" non-sense so that'll really go to show you just how ADD the players really are when they simply -can't stop earning something- even though it's mundane and doesn't provide any benefit in the game itself.

Maybe we should just come up with a system that gives silly trinkets or something to appeal to them so they're too busy earning Callsigns (<--- CoD) to notice the MMO balancing of the game.

Yes, but you're not taking into account all of the instant gratification, flashing lights and loud noises that the FPS community seemingly -cannot live without-.

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is considering that these guys have never had an FPS that gave out skill points as a reward rather than another gun. When you reach a certain level in Call of Duty you just go into the "prestige" non-sense so that'll really go to show you just how ADD the players really are when they simply -can't stop earning something- even though it's mundane and doesn't provide any benefit in the game itself.

Maybe we should just come up with a system that gives silly trinkets or something to appeal to them so they're too busy earning Callsigns (<--- CoD) to notice the MMO balancing of the game.

omg you must live under a rock

Oh look boys and girls - yet another troll with nothing beneficial to say other than "we're being punished".

Why? Because you just happen to have more hours in the day to grind your way to an advantage than someone with a job/family/place in society? Excellent argument - while we're at it let's just throw out skill points entirely to appeal directly to the self-aggrandizing FPS players and their entitlement issues.

Give me a valid reason why this is a bad system in an -MMO- aspect and we can talk - otherwise you're just saying the same whining bull that everyone else is complaining about rather than.. I dunno... Offering a suggestion for a better system? Yanno, because that would make too much sense.

Have you ever played any kind of FPS before EVE boy.?

Go play one then you may have some idea of what you're taliking about.

This is NOT EVE for ps3.

Yes, but you're not taking into account all of the instant gratification, flashing lights and loud noises that the FPS community seemingly -cannot live without-.

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is considering that these guys have never had an FPS that gave out skill points as a reward rather than another gun. When you reach a certain level in Call of Duty you just go into the "prestige" non-sense so that'll really go to show you just how ADD the players really are when they simply -can't stop earning something- even though it's mundane and doesn't provide any benefit in the game itself.

Maybe we should just come up with a system that gives silly trinkets or something to appeal to them so they're too busy earning Callsigns (<--- CoD) to notice the MMO balancing of the game.

It's not FPS that needs instant gratification, but F2P. Since there is no entry cost (like in retail or subscription), you need something else to make people play the game and care for their account. Thus instant gratification to make people addicted to the game (just like drugs).

Have you ever played any kind of FPS before EVE boy.?

Go play one then you may have some idea of what you're taliking about.

This is NOT EVE for ps3.

And neither is it a kind of FPS that you have played on PS3, so you are both wrong.

Honestly who the **** cares which area of gaming you came from, blah blah FPS, blah blah EVE nerd. If you enjoy the game play it.

Seriously stop all the whining give constructive criticism & offer ideas, preferably good ones. On saying that don't assume any of you know better than any one else because you are ' sooo awesome ' at whatever other games you play. . .

RANT OVER, have fun

And neither is it a kind of FPS that you have played on PS3, so you are both wrong.

Honestly who the **** cares which area of gaming you came from, blah blah FPS, blah blah EVE nerd. If you enjoy the game play it.

Seriously stop all the whining give constructive criticism & offer ideas, preferably good ones. On saying that don't assume any of you know better than any one else because you are ' sooo awesome ' at whatever other games you play. . .

RANT OVER, have fun

Yes, but you're not taking into account all of the instant gratification, flashing lights and loud noises that the FPS community seemingly -cannot live without-.

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is considering that these guys have never had an FPS that gave out skill points as a reward rather than another gun. When you reach a certain level in Call of Duty you just go into the "prestige" non-sense so that'll really go to show you just how ADD the players really are when they simply -can't stop earning something- even though it's mundane and doesn't provide any benefit in the game itself.

Maybe we should just come up with a system that gives silly trinkets or something to appeal to them so they're too busy earning Callsigns (<--- CoD) to notice the MMO balancing of the game.

Again, trinkets. Stupid things that don't matter in game that they can lord over everyone like "5 kills in 5 seconds" or something ridiculous that they'll only ever attain by downing a full dropship (but misconstruing the story into some epic tale of soldiering).

Also, it's not -quite- free. There is -technically- a subscription in the form of paying for Boosters. Which isn't necessarily pay-to-win because it's not in-game gear and they've got to get money somehow for this.

500,000,000 isk for the person(s) that grief WARRIORS out of the game come release day.

Way to prove yourself a complete idiot. Cod is practically the only one that doesn't these days.

Perhaps you've never played a true MMOFPS or perhaps you've not played MAG?

CoD I'd even argue that you get more than just a new gun unless your talking prestige in which case it's pretty dumb imo. It's the same system just not as OP as the one we have in Dust.

I'll state this again since you all blatantly missed it.

What happens in 6 months when we're 6 months SP ahead of everyone?. We remove 6 months SP to, "Make it fair" ??.

It's just baffling beyond belief that people actually agree with or even think this system is a good idea/works. Do you want people playing this game or do you just want people casually logging in for a bit of sp a week?. It makes it into the same league as Angry Birds or something that you sit down and play for 5mins a day.

Oh and Cerebral Wolf, pull you head out of your arse please. If you've got nothing better to comment than troll posts, watch the door on your arse on the way out. Thank you.

I don't play with WARRIORS....when they are on my team, I leave...until I meet them in NullSec...

Way to prove yourself a complete idiot. Cod is practically the only one that doesn't these days.

Perhaps you've never played a true MMOFPS or perhaps you've not played MAG?

CoD I'd even argue that you get more than just a new gun unless your talking prestige in which case it's pretty dumb imo. It's the same system just not as OP as the one we have in Dust.

I'll state this again since you all blatantly missed it.

What happens in 6 months when we're 6 months SP ahead of everyone?. We remove 6 months SP to, "Make it fair" ??.

It's just baffling beyond belief that people actually agree with or even think this system is a good idea/works. Do you want people playing this game or do you just want people casually logging in for a bit of sp a week?. It makes it into the same league as Angry Birds or something that you sit down and play for 5mins a day.

Oh and Cerebral Wolf, pull you head out of your arse please. If you've got nothing better to comment than troll posts, watch the door on your arse on the way out. Thank you.

People in Eve Online ask the same question you have bolded and underlined (which I didn't miss, I just ignored) because it works the same way. Why? Because it doesn't affect them in any way what-so-ever. Guy has been playing two years longer than you and has all of his SP invested in Battleships. That's good, I have all of my SP invested in Heavy Assault Cruisers - which are an ingenius and almost perfect counter against Battleships.

It's not about time played - it's about what specialization you choose and how skilled you are in that specialization.

Are you saying we have to think to play this game I only joined to chestbeat and brag about my KDR to my 'clan' inbetween spwan camps. No fair.

Are you saying we have to think to play this game I only joined to chestbeat and brag about my KDR to my 'clan' inbetween spwan camps. No fair.

I care, because this forum is over run with EVE idiots who think they know what they are talking about.
It's blatantly obvious to anyone who does, they don't.

The thing i like about this is that it removes the stress which CCP have metioned, will it be good or will it be bad? No one knows yet. I guess we'll have to wait and see and even if it is a complete disaster, don't worry! That's why it's called a beta.

Honestly, I think it's going to weed out who's here for the rewards and who's here for the actual game.

SP or persistent consequences brought on by taking territories/working with certain people/etc etc.

Probably best that they leave now.

Honestly, I think it's going to weed out who's here for the rewards and who's here for the actual game.

SP or persistent consequences brought on by taking territories/working with certain people/etc etc.

Probably best that they leave now.

3000 h on MAG. whoah great for you.... DO you understand that Dust is also an MMO as in MMORPG ? Obviously you dont.

Oh and i spend 10 years on CS 1.5 and 1.6. And then a 1000 on MAG as well.

Come back when you have pubic hair.

3000 h on MAG. whoah great for you.... DO you understand that Dust is also an MMO as in MMORPG ? Obviously you dont.

Oh and i spend 10 years on CS 1.5 and 1.6. And then a 1000 on MAG as well.

Come back when you have pubic hair.

RPG !!!!! LMFAO

it's like the tortoise and the hare isn't it and anyone who lives in the real world knows what a load of crap that is

This was a change that was fairly easy to make and it makes things much more convenient for people who don't have time to jump in and exhaust their daily quota every day.

That said, we don't think the system is perfect as it is. As many of you point out, having a cap you can hit per week is not optimal, since you stop being rewarded from playing the game. We have been discussing better solutions, but they all require more development resources than we had available. A potential future solution would be system that features a pool of redeemable SP that fills up passively at a constant rate. You would earn points from that pool by fighting in battles. Once the pool is empty, you would have to wait for a while for it to fill up again (or earn just the tiny amount that you accrued into the pool while you were in battle).

What we put in now is by no means the final iteration on the system, so I encourage you to give feedback and keep posting. That's the way to get what you desire.

BS!!!
Years ago some friends invested in some business that went **** up a few years ago.
I invested in realestate but got LOLed at since it was at the time a low value property close to worthless.

The rabbits that invested in those fast growing businesses told me over and over how dumb I was for investing in a slow to build value venture.

But now the Tortoise property value is over one million dollars on a four acre property, .5 Million on a two acre property and also theres four houses that are all paid for with nothing due to the bank.

It pains me to see the Rabbits working at Walmart with an employee nametag....sigh.

Dumb Rabbits the race always goes to the ones who have patience.

This is either going to go P2W or they'll roll back these changes.

As others have said, Dust is not CoD. Its mechanics are not nearly refined enough for people to want to play it, simply for the sake of playing it. By having a skillpoint cap they are limiting the amount of enjoyment a major demographic can derive from the game per week. At the same time they make their boosters useless and it means nobody will pay for them.

They'll either get rid of this change or make it pay to win so you can exceed the cap.

This is either going to go P2W or they'll roll back these changes.

As others have said, Dust is not CoD. Its mechanics are not nearly refined enough for people to want to play it, simply for the sake of playing it. By having a skillpoint cap they are limiting the amount of enjoyment a major demographic can derive from the game per week. At the same time they make their boosters useless and it means nobody will pay for them.

They'll either get rid of this change or make it pay to win so you can exceed the cap.

BS!!!
Years ago some friends invested in some business that went **** up a few years ago.
I invested in realestate but got LOLed at since it was at the time a low value property close to worthless.

The rabbits that invested in those fast growing businesses told me over and over how dumb I was for investing in a slow to build value venture.

But now the Tortoise property value is over one million dollars on a four acre property, .5 Million on a two acre property and also theres four houses that are all paid for with nothing due to the bank.

It pains me to see the Rabbits working at Walmart with an employee nametag....sigh.

Dumb Rabbits the race always goes to the ones who have patience.

You mean the broke no life can;t find a job, live with the fam still demographic? that's a bad way to express the flaws of the cap. " I play games way longer then anyone really should, gimme my fix"

i am 34 retired loads of mony nice house in the countryside got there fast like a HARE not a rabbit they live underground don't ya know

Honestly wish I had the time to do this but with my band getting a sponsorship - sort of difficult to find time xD

RPG !!!!! LMFAO OH I SEE YOU WANT TO BE A GIRL DON'T YOU

i am 34 retired loads of mony nice house in the countryside got there fast like a HARE not a rabbit they live underground don't ya know

You are not 34.
Your education level is lower than what you pretend.
The house in the Countryside is not as represented.
England.

I feel like Custer, no Indians, just idiots.

People like the feeling of progression.


If you make leveling or progression to difficult people will be turned off from the game As it will feel like a tedious mind numbing grind.

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Dueling banjos is playing in my head right now.

Ya what he said... I dont want to play a game where im held back with regulation.. im playing this game because I want to escape real life for a bit and have some fun in a fake world where I have some control. Im sure this is why we all play.

Dust514.. dont hold us back from our potential.. we like the opportunity in front of us for more SP

You just need to match players with like players... noob battles vs hardcore battles. It would be like that in a real war for a planet. The corps are not going to send in a bunch of lame fighters to take over a planet or something if the other corp has war hardened masters. I dont like going 22 and 4 anyways.. its boring taking out 5 noobs in under a min.

sp needs to be released into the wild. The sp points should be rewarded like on a scale for various things.. bullets in the face or head or chest = more sp. Depending on the gun, more sp for distance from the guy.. like if your taking a guy out with a submachine gun at X amount of distance you have skill thus you get more sp for the kill. If you have a sniper rifle and your hecka far from the gent you get more sp. idk what type of model you have created for the skill point reward calculations but it should be rather complex.

A lot of people in the Dust community are focusing too much on the SP progression and not enough on the player progression in and of itself. Conquering planets, turning tides, making wars, etc. See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAGSN7ev0k

I see a thread!

There's going to be a devblog on how the skill system changed, but here's the gist of it:

We noticed in the past few months that having the diminishing returns on a 24-hour cycle had some downsides to it. It forced players to log in every day in order to not lose out on skill gain and consequently made e.g. taking a break quite difficult. Simply put, we felt that things were a bit too intense. As a short-term measure to combat this, we made it so that the diminishing returns to reset every seven days instead of every 24 hours. This should allow players to choose when to play without feeling stressed out about jumping in every day (although you can do just that as well). A reasonable amount of game time each week should allow you to earn all the points you can and keep up with the more hardcore players. Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

Finally, the per-week skill caps are per character, so if you're hardcore, you can grind on your other characters if your main hits the cap.

This was a change that was fairly easy to make and it makes things much more convenient for people who don't have time to jump in and exhaust their daily quota every day.

That said, we don't think the system is perfect as it is. As many of you point out, having a cap you can hit per week is not optimal, since you stop being rewarded from playing the game. We have been discussing better solutions, but they all require more development resources than we had available. A potential future solution would be system that features a pool of redeemable SP that fills up passively at a constant rate. You would earn points from that pool by fighting in battles. Once the pool is empty, you would have to wait for a while for it to fill up again (or earn just the tiny amount that you accrued into the pool while you were in battle).

What we put in now is by no means the final iteration on the system, so I encourage you to give feedback and keep posting. That's the way to get what you desire.

Oh and Cerebral Wolf, pull you head out of your arse please. If you've got nothing better to comment than troll posts, watch the door on your arse on the way out. Thank you.

Well considering i've been pretty much on the money every time i've predicted something i clearly do know what i'm talking about. You've clearly missed the posts with links to my XBL profile with my FPS "GUN GAME" on it that proves i know my way around a FPS better than quite a few people.

It just so happens i play EVE too so i've got a pretty good idea where they are taking the game.

If you don't like that, tough ****.

The best system would be to not cap it. There is no reason to reward players that don't play. You're already giving passive SPs out...that should be enough.

If guys want to compete...you have to play. Its the only way

How many subs does EvE have anyway?, 9000'ish?. A fraction of those I bet are even bothered about Dust, combine that with all the FPS fans here stating that this will upset the general player base and your not gonna have many people playing it for very long imo.

I've played pretty much EVERY MMO out there and I wouldn't even dare compare this to CoD or EvE.....


One is Battleground Europe (WW2 Online). I've no idea how this works and from what I hear it's not that great a game anyway. I tried the trial and it just wasn't up to much.

Another is Planetside on PC, which again you obviously haven't played or else you'd see your comments are full of crap. They never had to cap XP, new players didn't feel left behind and the whole game was about controlling territory, (I put that in there because you like throwing that in as an argument for this and frankly it's a joke.) It's also the ONLY true MMOFPS out there, the only other is it's sequel that's in development.

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So you've played some ****** 360 FPS games?, I'm supposed to believe that makes you able to comment on a MMOFPS or rather an MMORPG that you play from a FPS perspective?. I've played pretty much EVERY MMO out there and I wouldn't even dare compare this to CoD or EvE.

As far as I'm concerned there are only 2-3 games in existance that do this kind of game and none of them are on the xbox.

One is Battleground Europe (WW2 Online). I've no idea how this works and from what I hear it's not that great a game anyway. I tried the trial and it just wasn't up to much.

Another is Mag on PS3 and the skill system there is pretty identical to this game. New player don't get their arse kicked and there's zero cap. No territory to capture as such, but you got bonuses if your team was winning a particular game mode.

Another is Planetside on PC, which again you obviously haven't played or else you'd see your comments are full of crap. They never had to cap XP, new players didn't feel left behind and the whole game was about controlling territory, (I put that in there because you like throwing that in as an argument for this and frankly it's a joke.) It's also the ONLY true MMOFPS out there, the only other is it's sequel that's in development.

We've not tested anything yet that involves territory control in EvE and you really think it'll be in release?. I think your kidding yourself frankly, what people will want to do is get on and kill stuff at launch. It's an FPS after all that happens to tap into EvE.

CCP aren't just gonna drop territory control on Dust then unleash it on TQ. They'd be insane. If it was actually coming at release we'd of been testing it for 6 months now at least.

What we have now is a mediocre FPS game with a half finished meta game and zero connections with EvE other than chatting and calling in OS. You really think if the game launched like this people would stick around?. The average gamer will need something to drive them to progress. All your EvE comparisons just don't work, it's a different kind of player completely in general and a totally different game.

Shut the hell up!

Put your boots on the ground, and go fight for your corp.

All this crying. I this, I that.

Its not about the individual. Its about the Corp., and the universe that Dust 514 is being put into...the long term.

Noone has even played a day under the new SP set up, let alone a week. To much BS not enough Mercs.

Nothing is set is stone.

I see a thread!

There's going to be a devblog on how the skill system changed, but here's the gist of it:

We noticed in the past few months that having the diminishing returns on a 24-hour cycle had some downsides to it. It forced players to log in every day in order to not lose out on skill gain and consequently made e.g. taking a break quite difficult. Simply put, we felt that things were a bit too intense. As a short-term measure to combat this, we made it so that the diminishing returns to reset every seven days instead of every 24 hours. This should allow players to choose when to play without feeling stressed out about jumping in every day (although you can do just that as well). A reasonable amount of game time each week should allow you to earn all the points you can and keep up with the more hardcore players. Overall pacing of the progression should remain somewhat intact, since we also rebalanced overall skill costs down a bit to match the new active skill gain speed.

As far as Boosters go, they will continue to work as they used to and will give you 50% more active SPs per week. They won't make you hit the cap faster.

Finally, the per-week skill caps are per character, so if you're hardcore, you can grind on your other characters if your main hits the cap.

I've stated in my posts that things are speculation on my part, why is that hard to get across to some people?

you got a real pretty mouth do't ya squeal piggy look forward to killing you over and over IFyou get time to play