I agree on both points, but to make the tactical require charging, it should have a tad bit more damage per shot.

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?

He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him

He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him

I would say anywhere on the field of battle is in range of something. Rock paper scissors. So snipers have range, they also have there down sides. Turning them into a long range AR is not the answer. Why does everyone want rock rock rock.

I've been saying this forever. My dumb alt, Threetimes Infinity, is 112-2 with newbie skill levels and nothing but sniping. Even with low skills it's no big deal to get into the teens worth of kills with zero deaths. I've talked about what I think needs to be done with sniping in other threads, but to summarize, sniping is too easy, too safe, and maybe too powerful. The charge rifle should not be a standard level item, as it is the best sniper rifle in the game. Other than that, either bullet travel time or permanent sway needs to be added, and a bright, blue-white tracer like railguns in EVE have. That way, it's harder to get kills, and harder to stay safe and alive while sniping.

But, I've done all I can to demonstrate how ridiculous sniping is, and I can only imagine CCP has heard what myself and few other snipers have been saying. Whether they agree is a whole other issue.

when i was sniping, the one thing that was missing was bushes.

At least a fellow sniper agrees with me

The only missing element for canpers besides tents

The only missing element for canpers besides tents

I've been saying this forever. My dumb alt, Threetimes Infinity, is 112-2 with newbie skill levels and nothing but sniping. Even with low skills it's no big deal to get into the teens worth of kills with zero deaths. I've talked about what I think needs to be done with sniping in other threads, but to summarize, sniping is too easy, too safe, and maybe too powerful. The charge rifle should not be a standard level item, as it is the best sniper rifle in the game. Other than that, either bullet travel time or permanent sway needs to be added, and a bright, blue-white tracer like railguns in EVE have. That way, it's harder to get kills, and harder to stay safe and alive while sniping.

But, I've done all I can to demonstrate how ridiculous sniping is, and I can only imagine CCP has heard what myself and few other snipers have been saying. Whether they agree is a whole other issue.

A fellow sniper huh? Thats funny, so concerned about balance yet I looked for your tanks are OP thread...could not find it. Thats how you shoot anyone with any gun btw, point nd shoot. So yeah I think you guys are cry babies. Look at the k/d ratio leaders and tell me they are snipers.

oh so, you run and gun with sniper then?

Haha, this sums it up, you obviously hate snipers, so start a cry thread and try and get them nerfed kind of transparent. Next time dont tip your hand.

Lol this thread doesn't even imply a sniper ever killed me.

In that quote i simply made a joke

How is it crying when I'm not blatantly asking for a nerf and giving reasonable suggestions

Just had a decent game sniping and went 14 0 with only one level of sniper rifle skills leveled up.

Instead of blatantly screaming nerf at the top of my lungs I'll be rational.

First off, they don't need a special increase to headshot damage. I think all guns should have it or none at all .

A suggestion i have being a user of the charge sniper rifle is that they should all have a charge time (tactical rifle being the shortest) since it is a railgun and like the other railguns it should have a flash of electricity visible only while it's charged or charging.

Any thoughts?

Why not just have a headshot damage bonus applied to the suit itself so all weapons do that increased damage universally? Since this game doesn't support OHK headshots for the most part, this would seem to me to be a solution for everyone.

So we got tanks nerfed, now we screaming nerf snipers? Jesus just go ahead and say you want everyone to run around with a fuc king assault rifle and be done with it. Take all the skills out of the game, remove the market, and just give everyone the damn militia assault suit and be done.

A Headshot from a sniper should kill you instantly period. Shield Armor all the extras should go right out the window, because the sniper headshotted you. **** be glad it's just a damage bonus and not an instant kill. Be happy for the small things for the love of god.

Why not just have a headshot damage bonus applied to the suit itself so all weapons do that increased damage universally? Since this game doesn't support OHK headshots for the most part, this would seem to me to be a solution for everyone.

That's genius considering the larger helmets each suit has over the less armoured

What you call "joke" seems alot like true colors to me.

lol Head shots should kill you anyway, all that armor on your head still wont stop the kinetic energy from a rail gun from smacking into your head and attempting to pull off that helmet of yours from your shoulders taking the head with it. I think it would just separate your spine at the neck and your suit would hold your head on just enough for it to crumple over at the neck.

Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that.

Good game considering my sniper skills were only level 2 then

Thing about headshots, when sniping you shouldn't get more than one shot. So headshots reward skill. I would be more inclined to reduce body damage.

Good game man and trust me lvl 2 is all you need

THIS.
keep headshot dmg the same that rewards good aim
reduce body shot dmg is the answer

People who use an unbalanced method of play and then defend that method as being not unbalanced are very bothersome. As someone who is probably a better sniper than you are, I'm here to tell you that you are nothing without your magical weapon. Snipers risk essentially zippo for huge power. Sniping is very safe, can one-shot a lot of people, and is as easy as putting a dot over some guy and pulling the trigger. Defending sniping these days is little more than attempting to justify your success as being a matter of skill, rather than what it actually is -- as reliant on shoddy game design as tanks are/were.

ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.

Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......

Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.

ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.

Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......

Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.

ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.

Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......

Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.

I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method

I just went 34/0 the match before a came back to these forums because all I had to do is quickscope everyone who came up the hill after me, they are OP.

I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method

Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered.

So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons?

Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle.

Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head

Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head

I just went 20-3 with an AR. Nerf 'em.

Before that I went 17-2 with a shotty. Nerf 'em.

Before that I went 19-4 with a forge gun. Nerf 'em.

Let's just nerf everything because (I count, what, 6 people on this thread who are against?) because 6 people don't like them. Maybe it's 7. Yeah, that seems right. Let's do what 7 people (out of 1000?) want to do. Brilliant.

Its hilarious, because we have all these nerf threads, but they're usually the same 7 or 8 people within the respective thread complaining. Get over yourselves. Yes, there are areas of the game that require less skill than others. Deal with it. Stop whining. I kill snipers all the time with an AR. I kill snipers with a sniper rifle. It's not that hard. How many people are actually getting killed by a sniper while they're playing an assault? If you are, you're doing it wrong.

One shotting people with a infinite range weapon doesn't require any skill. Just look at cod (and bf3 for me!)

Why is everyone finding every possible argument against this guy? He stated a simple opinion of his, and everyone jumped on him for it. Sniping IS a little bit over the top right now, especially in the rocky open map where CCP seemed to forget the importance of cover.
IF this was the exact same comment as about 500 previous threads (like the tank discussions have been) then you people would have justified grounds for your hate, but seriously these forums are for opinions, and not everyone will share your opinion, and if they don't, then give a legitimate excuse for why his suggestion is or is not valid.

So that has nothing to do with the fact that ppl have weak shields armor? Or are you saying sniper rifles do more damage then the stats? You should have more armor/shields than the 220 damage my rifle does. I aim for the head, because thats what snipers do

The risk using any other weapon is a lot higher being that you have to get close and don't even compared the charge rifle to a forge as it is more percise, has more range, and is easier to aim than the forge

Look at his first post. He posted an opinion and immediately started talking nerf. His freaking thread title implies that sniping/sniper rifles are op.

Our issue is that he keeps hopping points when people show him he's wrong, and he just wants to down something publicly without giving any evidence as to why it legitimately deserves it.

Sniping is way to easy in this build the only thing holding it back at the moment is lag and hit detection, once that is gone and people get a little better everyone will be running around with snipers like they are ARs. I see plenty of assaults getting killed by a sniper and when lag is low strafing and running is useless 2 back to back shots at the most with a good rifle you are dead. Sorry but when the other noob snipers get better and servers are stable assault rifles will be meaningless .

Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle.

Confirmed for never having used a forge gun.

Forge gun sniping is even more reliable for kills than regular sniping since most low-quality snipers are standing/crouching still anyway.

Why is everyone finding every possible argument against this guy? He stated a simple opinion of his, and everyone jumped on him for it. Sniping IS a little bit over the top right now, especially in the rocky open map where CCP seemed to forget the importance of cover.
IF this was the exact same comment as about 500 previous threads (like the tank discussions have been) then you people would have justified grounds for your hate, but seriously these forums are for opinions, and not everyone will share your opinion, and if they don't, then give a legitimate excuse for why his suggestion is or is not valid.

Oh we have a sniper in the room show me your marksman medals.

Seriously there shouldn't be such a gap in headshot damage boost.

Dude.... Keep your ridiculous argument a little less ridiculous. AR will be pointless? Lol tipping your hand again guys. If you make your points blatantly ridiculous ppl will see through to your real motivation.

I sucked with snipers when I first started out with them and I never used them in any previous game I played and now I already have people calling me a leet sniper? I want people to get good and expect them to, I don't want to hold people back and stop progression. Please don't pretend to know my intentions. Snipers are over powered at the moment that is a fact.

If I see someone with an AR coming at me and all I have to do is one shot qs them there is a problem.

Quick scoping is not a trait linked to sniper rifles. Why do you keep using that as a reason for a nerf. Its a skill thing. Do you want CCP to install a 4 sec delay on scopes?

I am done with this thread, but I will leave it with two words that I think defines your points.

INVALID FIT

Let me describe what you type

HIT DETECTION

Okay I will come back in to agree with you, CCP should nerf/adjust sniper rifles because of hit detection. It makes perfect sense now.

I'm not getting what you say as hit detection is mainly a problem in high rof weapons

Lol still on my thread?

I wish I could quit you...


But seriously, I hope you know I am just a passionate person. My arguments can be sharpish, but nothing personal man. I respect your opinion..... I just think its wrong.

I didn't say nerf i simply gave ways to improve the weapon

I just went 20-3 with an AR. Nerf 'em.

Before that I went 17-2 with a shotty. Nerf 'em.

Before that I went 19-4 with a forge gun. Nerf 'em.

Let's just nerf everything because (I count, what, 6 people on this thread who are against?) because 6 people don't like them. Maybe it's 7. Yeah, that seems right. Let's do what 7 people (out of 1000?) want to do. Brilliant.

Its hilarious, because we have all these nerf threads, but they're usually the same 7 or 8 people within the respective thread complaining. Get over yourselves. Yes, there are areas of the game that require less skill than others. Deal with it. Stop whining. I kill snipers all the time with an AR. I kill snipers with a sniper rifle. It's not that hard. How many people are actually getting killed by a sniper while they're playing an assault? If you are, you're doing it wrong.

Your first post suggest ways to negatively impact performance to make it more balanced as you see fit. You claim them OP, and thus that they need to be powered down a bit.

How the kitten do you define a nerf?

I do have to say that the Charge sniper rifle is abit op for being a beginner level skill gun. Id say move it to the proto level 5 and maybe add some proficiency skills to it to make it a lil more tough to get and to strive for. DONT NERF IT!!!

If they move it to the proto level, they'll also need to buff it's damage to make up for the steep requirement. The charge is meant to sacrifice range and rate of fire for high damage. It has tradeoffs, and if you're going to push it further from the player (which isn't a big deal since new players with low investment shouldn't be getting something so powerful so fast) you need to offbalance it by making it more powerful for it's tier.

It only loses rof not range and it wouldn't need a damage increase if it was proto

You don't know what you are talking about, and you've displayed it in every single post you've made in this thread. Please leave and let the people who are serious, educated, and willing to listen exchange ideas and find ways to better the game in a proactive and thoughtful way.

You do nothing but contribute one-line random spewings which fail to provide any backing, proof, or even reasoning for why you say things.

At the very minimum keep your ideas away from me, I feel that I lose something I may not be able to regain everytime I am forced to respond to your dribble.

FAR too many threads where folks at the top of the game (in whatever area) show up and post as if they somehow represent a proper balance point. If you are a top ranked player you are not average and AVERAGE is where proper balance needs to focus.
Things are only broken or imbalanced if anyone can pick it up and do better than the game wide average of other classes/methods. Or put another way something is OP'ed when the AVERAGE player can use it to dominate outside of it's proper battlefield role.


If you're a sniper and you're completely pro going 50-0, and there's a total first month noob who's a sniper going 0-50 the KDR for the class (not the player, the player doesn't matter) is 1:1
Now obviously that's a simplistic example but the point remains that it is the GAME WIDE average which counts not the specific experiences or performance of any handful of players.

Posting feedback on your experiences, especially with the details explaining why is of value in a beta. Posting conclusions regarding balance with such an infinitesimal piece of the data... well that's, shall we say, less useful.

My 0.02 ISK
Cross

ps ~ you can't be said to have "only two levels" of skills related to sniping if you've picked up any of the more general crossover skills such as Weaponry, or any of the other broad skills that apply to sniping. You've gained ranks towards the your effective use of a given battlefield role for every skill rank of any kind that applies (i.e. is active/having an effect) to that role (whatever it may be) not just for those skills which happen to contain the name of that role in their title.

The Sniper Rifles have range, and in order to do counter-sniping you HAVE to invest in Light Weapon Sharpshooter and Light Weapon Sharpshooter Proficiency in order to get the range bonuses.

The biggest issue people have is that there is no recourse with being killed in one shot, and it sucks.

Unfortunately, when it's a sniper's job to hit you in the brains to begin with, there's not much to be done.

Best recourse -- triangulate on the sniper, w/ a throw away fit if you need to (all militia), then sneak up on them & kill them.

Other recourses:

• Turn on your mic & call it out to your team, then move away from the area the sniper is calling home. Someone else will deal with it or the sniper will expose themself as they look for a new sniping position.
• Find someone with a tank. Very difficult to snipe a tank with anything less than a forge gun.
• Switch to a heavy fit. Much harder to one shot a heavy with an infantry weapon.

I'm sorry for not clarifying, but all I want to see is more sway in snipers while standing and return a small amount of sway between each shot. Also I would like to see bullet drop and actually adding time between the sniper firing and hitting the target (which [CCP] nothin has mentioned in irc may possibly be added in the future ). I do understand that there are a range of skill weapons but I'd like to point out that it didn't take long for me to get to were I am. If I can do it anyone can I just don't want to see this game turned into a quickscope fest is all.

I say we just leave everything alone for the time being. Wait a week or two for the next build. Then there will be a new crop of grapes for all to make whine from.

I agree with the sway being a little light between shots, sniper proficiency II makes the sway minor. It should not be minor until V. As far as tactics against snipers, well there are counter snipers. Also almost every time I get confronted by an AR my paper armor shreds, how about two AR = dead sniper. I like sniper class and will use it even though heads up I am few most times. The reason its worth it is I get range and power instead. I took this thread as a thread asking for snipers to get nothing to balance the deficits they have. Assault rifles rip through me like I am nothing. I would not want to be a sniper if CCP turned my gun into a low rof long range AR, and I dont think many others would either. I dont really see a need for a nerf. If the kills in this game were sorted, tanks and AR would be at the top, not snipers. Really guys its not even that bad. I did just go 12-0, but you know why? Not an op gun. It was because nobody bothered to look up. If they would have done anything at all to counter, it would have been different.

Let re Guy's be? You new to this game right?

Kills tanks and ars but kdrs snipers and shotties

Ps nice tricking waiting to post again but I'm an insomniac so you not outlasting me

I'm sorry for not clarifying, but all I want to see is more sway in snipers while standing and return a small amount of sway between each shot. Also I would like to see bullet drop and actually adding time between the sniper firing and hitting the target (which [CCP] nothin has mentioned in irc may possibly be added in the future ). I do understand that there are a range of skill weapons but I'd like to point out that it didn't take long for me to get to were I am. If I can do it anyone can I just don't want to see this game turned into a quickscope fest is all.

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

Haha. I like it. Out of my entire rant, the only comeback you could make was about RE's. Love it.

Yes, RE's were OP. I was making a point that people complain too much. Even the dreaded RE's can be countered, and I did it all the time. People are lazy and don't want to think through how something can be countered. Instead, they ask for a nerf.

I've been here since E3. If that makes me new, then yes, I'm new.

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

You guys want to see how easy it is to hipfire a sniper rifle. Go get yourself chased by a leveled up AR being used by a even just semi-skilled person and try it, after you respawn come back here and fill us in

I did and shot him through the sway at less than 20m

While using a sniper, I've tried hipshooting guys, and I've done it once out of maybe 20 tries. It's nearly impossible. You are a gaming god if you can do it consistently. If you're in a scout suit, you're dead from an AR before you can get a second shot off from the hip (because let's be honest, no one is going to hipfire and get the first one). Nope. Calling BS on that one.

Zan didn't mean hipfire by quickscope, just pressing aim and shooting at the sane time

well vermaak I hope you can live with ohk as I live with shotties, because sleepy zans Thale deals 500-ish damage per shot, also a sniper rifle that needs multiple shots to be effective is just a weird AR. Dont get me wrong I dont think body shots should ohk, unless the guys suit is just a really weak scout fit.

Yes, but with the sway it's very difficult to do. You really can't quick scope in this game.

I like you, Vermaak. This is fun.

Difficult but not impossible

It's nearly impossible, which means 98% of the snipers who are playing can't do it. And what does that tells us? That it's not a problem.

Game. Set. Match.

Difficult but not impossible

Nearly impossible would mean closer to a third being that most would try to learn to do it so this isn't over yet

Nearly impossible would mean closer to a third being that most would try to learn to do it so this isn't over yet

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

Actually not trying to go against you or anything tanks do have the most spots fo the higher KDRs but if you look at the top of the leaderboards the guy with a 50 something KDR is a sniper.

Not trying to argue just a fun fact

One more point before I go to bed. To people complaining about a lot of snipers on the diagonal rock map:

That map is VERY sniper friendly. Those rocks jutting out that people love to climb. Of course you'll see a lot of snipers there. But if you play one of the maps where everything is contained or inside a building for the most part, you see hardly any snipers. And the ones who are sniping end up with 2 kills and 3 deaths.

Don't blame a class or weapon for things that the map dictates.

That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle

You just reinforced my point. The map is sniper friendly. You can't do that on some of the other maps. Some yes, some no. That's balance. You can't base your opinions on one map.

That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle

I did similar and beter on other maps as well

I used to hate the map that is just that one building. But there is a veeery good sniping spot in that map, not to brag because I am not leet, but I usually end up 10+/0 on that map.



Also I didnt know that guy was a sniper, I based my assumption on the fact of seeing so many tanks go 25+/0 in matches I had been in.

I should snipe in the full game being good "cough MLG PRO cough"

You though i was a tanker?

for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR.

Hey Zan,

First, thanks for the response, and second I actually didn't mean to call you out specifically it's just the trend has been pretty notable to me lately.

Now on to the meat of the subject :)

More base value sway while standing doesn't bother me in the least, partly because it does nothing to hinder the main roles of the sniper (either classic sniper or overwatch/scout support) but would set it off farther from the other combat roles (i.e. less run-n-gun). Sway between shots I think should be a matter of the gun in question, with higher Meta gear having a lower ~comparative~ base value. This would give incentive to upgrade and would also fit with world narrative since the skills required for proto gear already reduce sway thus skill and gun would enhance each other (for the serious sniper only).
Bullet drop I honestly can't say what I think of in regards to balance as I feel I have inadequate exposure to really form a perspective on it. Adding time between trigger pull and impact seems fine but again it seems like something that should scale with gear, some of these projectiles are moving so quickly that they would be effectively instant but that doesn't mean all of them are, or should be.

I'm curious as to your context when you say it didn't take you long to get where you are. Approximately how many hours would you say you've put into beta? How much of that has been sniper? How many skill points do you have invested in skills that effect the sniper role? How much ISK do you think you lost learning to play sniper? How many other roles did you try out before picking up sniping? <--- None of this is meant to 'challenge' but rather to provide context, after all someone who's on day one picking up a sniper rifle isn't going to be in the same boat as someone who's decided to take up sniping after playing for a month or two as an Assault guy (just for one example).

In the same note as the above how are you arriving at the conclusion that anyone can do what you do?

In closing I'll just reiterate that I hope you respond again because I'm very interested in the answers to the above and also that I agree with you having snipers shooting from the hip becoming standard practice (rather than the occasional mistake/act of desperation) isn't something I'd want to see the game become either. I just want to make sure things are kept in context so that any concerns raised are compared to the average player experience rather than a specific instance or outlier.

for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR.

I did similar and beter on other maps as well

I started in the E3 build it will be hard for me to recall in detail, but SP build up last build was about 20 mil this build I believe I'm a few mil shy of that same amount atm. When I started out in the beta I died alot like any other scrub and it took me a week or 2 just to go positive. I did experiment some with assault, logi, heavy forge, and I skilled up to logi dropships, I expected to go logi and even attempted to skill up and got one level shy from the aur proto reapair tool ccp forgot about but saw there were alot of thos so I went into sniper since there were so few last build. I sucked like everyone else and got excited when I actually hit someone. from there a dropped all the remaining SP I had mostly in sniper and smg if I can remember right max smg proficiency, max sniper pro, max scout and dropsuit command. From there I just practiced and now I'm here being called a leet sniper by Jin Robot .

this build sniper and smg proficiency to lvl 3, scout to lvl 4 max light sharpshooter and a little SP dispersed into random stuff like sheilding and all that

sorry I suck at recalling and giving detail in this sort of thing but if this doesn't help please ask any specific question you have.

i just think they need to add more cover

No squad

Weaponry 4

Sniper operation 1 (at the time)

Third person shooters are what i play more

Until recently i put a lot of time into this beta

I'm a occasionalll sniper in other fps's so i think most snipers would have similar or greater experience

Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?

So then if you were telling the truth threetimes infinity would be at the top of the leader boards with a 56-1 k/d. Sounds better when you exaggerate though.

Charge sniper rifle just needs to NOT be unlocked at lv 1. Make it level 3 or 4. Why the best sniper rifle in the game is unlocked right away is beyond me >_<

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?

Snipers are fine. Most of them are a minor annoyance at best. Good ones can achieve a high KDR.. but that doesn't mean they are OP, considering their only real source of SP is kills. If you really need to get the objective or to your squad, there is always the trusty baloch - impact.

Some people are very good and have to be close ish to shoot you with an ar snipers well can be any where out of range and still kill its like bamm dead wtf no one around then it come up so an so killed by charge sniper rifle

I get more frustrated by snipers than good assault players

Rock paper scissors. I suggest you stop trying to view all classes as if they should be the same. I mean thats how snipers are supposed to work, you dont see it coming.

Just had a decent game sniping and went 14 0 with only one level of sniper rifle skills leveled up.

Instead of blatantly screaming nerf at the top of my lungs I'll be rational.

First off, they don't need a special increase to headshot damage. I think all guns should have it or none at all .

A suggestion i have being a user of the charge sniper rifle is that they should all have a charge time (tactical rifle being the shortest) since it is a railgun and like the other railguns it should have a flash of electricity visible only while it's charged or charging.

Any thoughts?

Do you think your experiences are indicative of the average players experience with a sniper rifle? If yes then upon what are you basing that assessment? If no then, well then I wouldn't see a reason to have posted the OP.

Also what gear were you using for this, and (perhaps more importantly) how many skillpioints do you have investing into Sniping (remember to include all skills offensive, defensive, or fitting, from which you gained any benefit while doing what you described). How long/how often have you played beta? How long/how often have you played FPS games in general?
When you played were you part of an organized team or squad? Did you have active mics during at this time?
Are these experiences consistent for your play with a sniper rifle, if yes over what span of time/number of games did you test this?

Context matters, please provide it :)

Cheers,
Cross