Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

Actually not trying to go against you or anything tanks do have the most spots fo the higher KDRs but if you look at the top of the leaderboards the guy with a 50 something KDR is a sniper.

Not trying to argue just a fun fact

One more point before I go to bed. To people complaining about a lot of snipers on the diagonal rock map:

That map is VERY sniper friendly. Those rocks jutting out that people love to climb. Of course you'll see a lot of snipers there. But if you play one of the maps where everything is contained or inside a building for the most part, you see hardly any snipers. And the ones who are sniping end up with 2 kills and 3 deaths.

Don't blame a class or weapon for things that the map dictates.

That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle

You just reinforced my point. The map is sniper friendly. You can't do that on some of the other maps. Some yes, some no. That's balance. You can't base your opinions on one map.

That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle

I did similar and beter on other maps as well

I used to hate the map that is just that one building. But there is a veeery good sniping spot in that map, not to brag because I am not leet, but I usually end up 10+/0 on that map.



Also I didnt know that guy was a sniper, I based my assumption on the fact of seeing so many tanks go 25+/0 in matches I had been in.

I should snipe in the full game being good "cough MLG PRO cough"

You though i was a tanker?

for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR.

Hey Zan,

First, thanks for the response, and second I actually didn't mean to call you out specifically it's just the trend has been pretty notable to me lately.

Now on to the meat of the subject :)

More base value sway while standing doesn't bother me in the least, partly because it does nothing to hinder the main roles of the sniper (either classic sniper or overwatch/scout support) but would set it off farther from the other combat roles (i.e. less run-n-gun). Sway between shots I think should be a matter of the gun in question, with higher Meta gear having a lower ~comparative~ base value. This would give incentive to upgrade and would also fit with world narrative since the skills required for proto gear already reduce sway thus skill and gun would enhance each other (for the serious sniper only).
Bullet drop I honestly can't say what I think of in regards to balance as I feel I have inadequate exposure to really form a perspective on it. Adding time between trigger pull and impact seems fine but again it seems like something that should scale with gear, some of these projectiles are moving so quickly that they would be effectively instant but that doesn't mean all of them are, or should be.

I'm curious as to your context when you say it didn't take you long to get where you are. Approximately how many hours would you say you've put into beta? How much of that has been sniper? How many skill points do you have invested in skills that effect the sniper role? How much ISK do you think you lost learning to play sniper? How many other roles did you try out before picking up sniping? <--- None of this is meant to 'challenge' but rather to provide context, after all someone who's on day one picking up a sniper rifle isn't going to be in the same boat as someone who's decided to take up sniping after playing for a month or two as an Assault guy (just for one example).

In the same note as the above how are you arriving at the conclusion that anyone can do what you do?

In closing I'll just reiterate that I hope you respond again because I'm very interested in the answers to the above and also that I agree with you having snipers shooting from the hip becoming standard practice (rather than the occasional mistake/act of desperation) isn't something I'd want to see the game become either. I just want to make sure things are kept in context so that any concerns raised are compared to the average player experience rather than a specific instance or outlier.

for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR.

I did similar and beter on other maps as well

I started in the E3 build it will be hard for me to recall in detail, but SP build up last build was about 20 mil this build I believe I'm a few mil shy of that same amount atm. When I started out in the beta I died alot like any other scrub and it took me a week or 2 just to go positive. I did experiment some with assault, logi, heavy forge, and I skilled up to logi dropships, I expected to go logi and even attempted to skill up and got one level shy from the aur proto reapair tool ccp forgot about but saw there were alot of thos so I went into sniper since there were so few last build. I sucked like everyone else and got excited when I actually hit someone. from there a dropped all the remaining SP I had mostly in sniper and smg if I can remember right max smg proficiency, max sniper pro, max scout and dropsuit command. From there I just practiced and now I'm here being called a leet sniper by Jin Robot .

this build sniper and smg proficiency to lvl 3, scout to lvl 4 max light sharpshooter and a little SP dispersed into random stuff like sheilding and all that

sorry I suck at recalling and giving detail in this sort of thing but if this doesn't help please ask any specific question you have.

i just think they need to add more cover

No squad

Weaponry 4

Sniper operation 1 (at the time)

Third person shooters are what i play more

Until recently i put a lot of time into this beta

I'm a occasionalll sniper in other fps's so i think most snipers would have similar or greater experience

Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?

So then if you were telling the truth threetimes infinity would be at the top of the leader boards with a 56-1 k/d. Sounds better when you exaggerate though.

Charge sniper rifle just needs to NOT be unlocked at lv 1. Make it level 3 or 4. Why the best sniper rifle in the game is unlocked right away is beyond me >_<

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?