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pritcht37
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:54:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Just had a decent game sniping and went 14 0 with only one level of sniper rifle skills leveled up.
Instead of blatantly screaming nerf at the top of my lungs I'll be rational.
First off, they don't need a special increase to headshot damage. I think all guns should have it or none at all .
A suggestion i have being a user of the charge sniper rifle is that they should all have a charge time (tactical rifle being the shortest) since it is a railgun and like the other railguns it should have a flash of electricity visible only while it's charged or charging.
Any thoughts? Why not just have a headshot damage bonus applied to the suit itself so all weapons do that increased damage universally? Since this game doesn't support OHK headshots for the most part, this would seem to me to be a solution for everyone.
Hmmm headshot sniper rifle kinda makes sense. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:55:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Just had a decent game sniping and went 14 0 with only one level of sniper rifle skills leveled up.
Instead of blatantly screaming nerf at the top of my lungs I'll be rational.
First off, they don't need a special increase to headshot damage. I think all guns should have it or none at all .
A suggestion i have being a user of the charge sniper rifle is that they should all have a charge time (tactical rifle being the shortest) since it is a railgun and like the other railguns it should have a flash of electricity visible only while it's charged or charging.
Any thoughts? Why not just have a headshot damage bonus applied to the suit itself so all weapons do that increased damage universally? Since this game doesn't support OHK headshots for the most part, this would seem to me to be a solution for everyone. That's genius considering the larger helmets each suit has over the less armoured Right, it reflects the fact that we all use heavily reinforced helmets with no vulnerable faceplates, but that you also can't put as much armor on your head as you can on the rest of your body and still be able to function. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:55:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:4447 wrote:when i was sniping, the one thing that was missing was bushes. The only missing element for canpers besides tents Haha, this sums it up, you obviously hate snipers, so start a cry thread and try and get them nerfed kind of transparent. Next time dont tip your hand. Lol this thread doesn't even imply a sniper ever killed me. In that quote i simply made a joke How is it crying when I'm not blatantly asking for a nerf and giving reasonable suggestions What you call "joke" seems alot like true colors to me.
Your opinion not mine but how would it be camping if it's not cqb range? |
Vehlhiem
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:02:00 -
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I am actually a run and gun sniper, who I can say is quite skilled. However, I find sniping to be far more difficult than just about any other role. I play logistics and assault, amd can honestly say I have a higher kill count than sniping. Snipers tend to counter snipe for the most part, an Id always try to provide covering fire or holding a point for reenforcements. Not everyone plays that way, but I have noticed with the recent influx of beta testers (new 1000) I have been dominating quite exponentially more.
My thoughts? Its prpbably new players adjusting, give it time. My suggestion when finding something that seems unbalanced, is to chamge my approach and think of a way to exploit their strength. In this case, I sneak up on snipers, who generally are lookin gforward, not behind. Always think of creative solutions. |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:29:00 -
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It is hard to make sniping feel balanced. They should not have to connect 2 to 3 times for a kill. It is very hard to hit moving targets...very simple to hit them when standing still.
Leave snipers...just give us smoke. Then we can take objectives and use squad tactics to nullify them. Snipers get high KDR when players are to lazy to go hunt them. |
Terminus Decimus
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:35:00 -
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lol Head shots should kill you anyway, all that armor on your head still wont stop the kinetic energy from a rail gun from smacking into your head and attempting to pull off that helmet of yours from your shoulders taking the head with it. I think it would just separate your spine at the neck and your suit would hold your head on just enough for it to crumple over at the neck. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:38:00 -
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Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:40:00 -
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Terminus Decimus wrote:lol Head shots should kill you anyway, all that armor on your head still wont stop the kinetic energy from a rail gun from smacking into your head and attempting to pull off that helmet of yours from your shoulders taking the head with it. I think it would just separate your spine at the neck and your suit would hold your head on just enough for it to crumple over at the neck.
So just because it's a railgub it should be a ohk? So shouldn't assault rifles and scrambler pistols also be because they fire super heated plasma? |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:41:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that.
Good game considering my sniper skills were only level 2 then |
Tenchu-13
What The French
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:44:00 -
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I seriously can't understand all the whining and bitching about snipers. They are part of the game, live wit it.
If you got 1shotted by a sniper there are only 2 causes; A) it was a skilled sniper, B) you messed up....
It's like whining when you get 1shoted by a tank, you know it'll blow you in pieces, so you move out of the way. Same goes for snipers, you know they are there, so just take cover and don't go standing in the middle of an open field firing at whatever is moving around you.
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:45:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that. Good game considering my sniper skills were only level 2 then
Good game man and trust me lvl 2 is all you need |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:49:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him Thing about headshots, when sniping you shouldn't get more than one shot. So headshots reward skill. I would be more inclined to reduce body damage.
THIS. keep headshot dmg the same that rewards good aim reduce body shot dmg is the answer |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:52:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that. Good game considering my sniper skills were only level 2 then Good game man and trust me lvl 2 is all you need
Damn it I'm at 3 now but at least i can oneshot with the regular rifle |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:52:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him Thing about headshots, when sniping you shouldn't get more than one shot. So headshots reward skill. I would be more inclined to reduce body damage. THIS. keep headshot dmg the same that rewards good aim reduce body shot dmg is the answer
If that was truely the case, there would be no need for tactical sniper rifles |
Vexen86
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:54:00 -
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ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.
Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......
Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault. |
Jane DeArc
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:56:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I would say anywhere on the field of battle is in range of something. Rock paper scissors. So snipers have range, they also have there down sides. Turning them into a long range AR is not the answer. Why does everyone want rock rock rock. People who use an unbalanced method of play and then defend that method as being not unbalanced are very bothersome. As someone who is probably a better sniper than you are, I'm here to tell you that you are nothing without your magical weapon. Snipers risk essentially zippo for huge power. Sniping is very safe, can one-shot a lot of people, and is as easy as putting a dot over some guy and pulling the trigger. Defending sniping these days is little more than attempting to justify your success as being a matter of skill, rather than what it actually is -- as reliant on shoddy game design as tanks are/were.
Wow, comparing wandering invincible mounted guns with splash damage to people who are one-shotted by nearly everything and constantly need to hide.
Right now we have no counter-sniping going on, and good snipers go enough out of the way to deter most players. As a result of SKILL in this way and a lack of competition you find sniping is very effective.
A sniper rifle is supposed to kill what you shoot, period. Charge sniper gets a huge damage bonus over like-classed rifles because you have to charge it.
Sniping is a slow game where you pick off targets and take your time to find the next and find the right moment. The biggest concern I see now is that there are no objective-supporting snipers and as a result in objective games everyone is running around capping/spawning on larger maps whereas snipers just hide out and kill. Since no one is going to wander halfway off the earth to kill one guy they are perfectly safe if they take cover occasionally. The most I hear about snipers being OP is people who DON'T snipe aside from militia crap, and are the victims of snipers.
Lowering the power on sniping would make it long range ARs, which is dumb. Adding a charge would make it lmedium range low powered forge guns, which is dumb. Sniper rifles have their place. Picking off infantry from range. Next we're going to see NERF SHOTGUN threads. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:59:00 -
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Vexen86 wrote:ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.
Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......
Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.
I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2048
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:59:00 -
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Vexen86 wrote:ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.
Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......
Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.
I just went 34/0 the match before a came back to these forums because all I had to do is quickscope everyone who came up the hill after me, they are OP. |
pritcht37
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:02:00 -
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Vexen86 wrote:ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.
Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......
Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.
Agreed +1 |
Jane DeArc
Militaires Sans Jeux
87
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:03:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method
Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered.
So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons? |
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Chew B0CCA
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:09:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Vexen86 wrote:ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.
Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......
Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault. I just went 34/0 the match before a came back to these forums because all I had to do is quickscope everyone who came up the hill after me, they are OP.
I just went 20-3 with an AR. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 17-2 with a shotty. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 19-4 with a forge gun. Nerf 'em.
Let's just nerf everything because (I count, what, 6 people on this thread who are against?) because 6 people don't like them. Maybe it's 7. Yeah, that seems right. Let's do what 7 people (out of 1000?) want to do. Brilliant.
Its hilarious, because we have all these nerf threads, but they're usually the same 7 or 8 people within the respective thread complaining. Get over yourselves. Yes, there are areas of the game that require less skill than others. Deal with it. Stop whining. I kill snipers all the time with an AR. I kill snipers with a sniper rifle. It's not that hard. How many people are actually getting killed by a sniper while they're playing an assault? If you are, you're doing it wrong. |
Daken Cydonia
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:10:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:
I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method
Honestly man, if a sniper gets me once, I will typically ignore him, if he gets me twice, I call in an LAV, drive over there, and put one in his dome. Usually they move elsewhere or switch to a close range tactic at that point. If people are too lazyto come after you, sucks for them, and great for you. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:11:00 -
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Jane DeArc wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered. So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons?
Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:11:00 -
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Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:14:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle.
One shotting people with a infinite range weapon doesn't require any skill. Just look at cod (and bf3 for me!) |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:14:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jane DeArc wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered. So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons? Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head So that has nothing to do with the fact that ppl have weak shields armor? Or are you saying sniper rifles do more damage then the stats? You should have more armor/shields than the 220 damage my rifle does. I aim for the head, because thats what snipers do |
Jane DeArc
Militaires Sans Jeux
87
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:16:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head
Your argument is about as stable as your clan's reputation. The problem you're complaining about is that they require too little investment, but they HAVE to do as much damage as they do currently to be useful AT ALL.
Their damage is fine, and playing them well doesn't make them OP. The players need to learn to hunt snipers when there are too many, and the snipers may need a slightly steeper SP curve to match the required power for their gun to do it's job (using a high caliber round at high range to support remote troops by mortally wounding enemies). |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:17:00 -
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The risk using any other weapon is a lot higher being that you have to get close and don't even compared the charge rifle to a forge as it is more percise, has more range, and is easier to aim than the forge |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:17:00 -
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This is a nerf sniper players thread, sleepy zan is cool with it because he knows he is good enough to hipshot ppl, so he knows a nerf would not effect him and he could care less about anyone else, be elite or f o right? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2048
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:18:00 -
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Chew B0CCA wrote:I just went 20-3 with an AR. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 17-2 with a shotty. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 19-4 with a forge gun. Nerf 'em.
Let's just nerf everything because (I count, what, 6 people on this thread who are against?) because 6 people don't like them. Maybe it's 7. Yeah, that seems right. Let's do what 7 people (out of 1000?) want to do. Brilliant.
Its hilarious, because we have all these nerf threads, but they're usually the same 7 or 8 people within the respective thread complaining. Get over yourselves. Yes, there are areas of the game that require less skill than others. Deal with it. Stop whining. I kill snipers all the time with an AR. I kill snipers with a sniper rifle. It's not that hard. How many people are actually getting killed by a sniper while they're playing an assault? If you are, you're doing it wrong.
Sniping is way to easy in this build the only thing holding it back at the moment is lag and hit detection, once that is gone and people get a little better everyone will be running around with snipers like they are ARs. I see plenty of assaults getting killed by a sniper and when lag is low strafing and running is useless 2 back to back shots at the most with a good rifle you are dead. Sorry but when the other noob snipers get better and servers are stable assault rifles will be meaningless . |
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