FAR too many threads where folks at the top of the game (in whatever area) show up and post as if they somehow represent a proper balance point. If you are a top ranked player you are not average and AVERAGE is where proper balance needs to focus.
Things are only broken or imbalanced if anyone can pick it up and do better than the game wide average of other classes/methods. Or put another way something is OP'ed when the AVERAGE player can use it to dominate outside of it's proper battlefield role.


If you're a sniper and you're completely pro going 50-0, and there's a total first month noob who's a sniper going 0-50 the KDR for the class (not the player, the player doesn't matter) is 1:1
Now obviously that's a simplistic example but the point remains that it is the GAME WIDE average which counts not the specific experiences or performance of any handful of players.

Posting feedback on your experiences, especially with the details explaining why is of value in a beta. Posting conclusions regarding balance with such an infinitesimal piece of the data... well that's, shall we say, less useful.

My 0.02 ISK
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ps ~ you can't be said to have "only two levels" of skills related to sniping if you've picked up any of the more general crossover skills such as Weaponry, or any of the other broad skills that apply to sniping. You've gained ranks towards the your effective use of a given battlefield role for every skill rank of any kind that applies (i.e. is active/having an effect) to that role (whatever it may be) not just for those skills which happen to contain the name of that role in their title.

The Sniper Rifles have range, and in order to do counter-sniping you HAVE to invest in Light Weapon Sharpshooter and Light Weapon Sharpshooter Proficiency in order to get the range bonuses.

The biggest issue people have is that there is no recourse with being killed in one shot, and it sucks.

Unfortunately, when it's a sniper's job to hit you in the brains to begin with, there's not much to be done.

Best recourse -- triangulate on the sniper, w/ a throw away fit if you need to (all militia), then sneak up on them & kill them.

Other recourses:

• Turn on your mic & call it out to your team, then move away from the area the sniper is calling home. Someone else will deal with it or the sniper will expose themself as they look for a new sniping position.
• Find someone with a tank. Very difficult to snipe a tank with anything less than a forge gun.
• Switch to a heavy fit. Much harder to one shot a heavy with an infantry weapon.

I'm sorry for not clarifying, but all I want to see is more sway in snipers while standing and return a small amount of sway between each shot. Also I would like to see bullet drop and actually adding time between the sniper firing and hitting the target (which [CCP] nothin has mentioned in irc may possibly be added in the future ). I do understand that there are a range of skill weapons but I'd like to point out that it didn't take long for me to get to were I am. If I can do it anyone can I just don't want to see this game turned into a quickscope fest is all.

I say we just leave everything alone for the time being. Wait a week or two for the next build. Then there will be a new crop of grapes for all to make whine from.

I agree with the sway being a little light between shots, sniper proficiency II makes the sway minor. It should not be minor until V. As far as tactics against snipers, well there are counter snipers. Also almost every time I get confronted by an AR my paper armor shreds, how about two AR = dead sniper. I like sniper class and will use it even though heads up I am few most times. The reason its worth it is I get range and power instead. I took this thread as a thread asking for snipers to get nothing to balance the deficits they have. Assault rifles rip through me like I am nothing. I would not want to be a sniper if CCP turned my gun into a low rof long range AR, and I dont think many others would either. I dont really see a need for a nerf. If the kills in this game were sorted, tanks and AR would be at the top, not snipers. Really guys its not even that bad. I did just go 12-0, but you know why? Not an op gun. It was because nobody bothered to look up. If they would have done anything at all to counter, it would have been different.

Let re Guy's be? You new to this game right?

Kills tanks and ars but kdrs snipers and shotties

Ps nice tricking waiting to post again but I'm an insomniac so you not outlasting me

I'm sorry for not clarifying, but all I want to see is more sway in snipers while standing and return a small amount of sway between each shot. Also I would like to see bullet drop and actually adding time between the sniper firing and hitting the target (which [CCP] nothin has mentioned in irc may possibly be added in the future ). I do understand that there are a range of skill weapons but I'd like to point out that it didn't take long for me to get to were I am. If I can do it anyone can I just don't want to see this game turned into a quickscope fest is all.

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

Haha. I like it. Out of my entire rant, the only comeback you could make was about RE's. Love it.

Yes, RE's were OP. I was making a point that people complain too much. Even the dreaded RE's can be countered, and I did it all the time. People are lazy and don't want to think through how something can be countered. Instead, they ask for a nerf.

I've been here since E3. If that makes me new, then yes, I'm new.

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

You guys want to see how easy it is to hipfire a sniper rifle. Go get yourself chased by a leveled up AR being used by a even just semi-skilled person and try it, after you respawn come back here and fill us in

I did and shot him through the sway at less than 20m

While using a sniper, I've tried hipshooting guys, and I've done it once out of maybe 20 tries. It's nearly impossible. You are a gaming god if you can do it consistently. If you're in a scout suit, you're dead from an AR before you can get a second shot off from the hip (because let's be honest, no one is going to hipfire and get the first one). Nope. Calling BS on that one.

Zan didn't mean hipfire by quickscope, just pressing aim and shooting at the sane time

well vermaak I hope you can live with ohk as I live with shotties, because sleepy zans Thale deals 500-ish damage per shot, also a sniper rifle that needs multiple shots to be effective is just a weird AR. Dont get me wrong I dont think body shots should ohk, unless the guys suit is just a really weak scout fit.

Yes, but with the sway it's very difficult to do. You really can't quick scope in this game.

I like you, Vermaak. This is fun.

Difficult but not impossible

It's nearly impossible, which means 98% of the snipers who are playing can't do it. And what does that tells us? That it's not a problem.

Game. Set. Match.

Difficult but not impossible

Nearly impossible would mean closer to a third being that most would try to learn to do it so this isn't over yet

Nearly impossible would mean closer to a third being that most would try to learn to do it so this isn't over yet