I agree on both points, but to make the tactical require charging, it should have a tad bit more damage per shot.

I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also?

I've been saying this forever. My dumb alt, Threetimes Infinity, is 112-2 with newbie skill levels and nothing but sniping. Even with low skills it's no big deal to get into the teens worth of kills with zero deaths. I've talked about what I think needs to be done with sniping in other threads, but to summarize, sniping is too easy, too safe, and maybe too powerful. The charge rifle should not be a standard level item, as it is the best sniper rifle in the game. Other than that, either bullet travel time or permanent sway needs to be added, and a bright, blue-white tracer like railguns in EVE have. That way, it's harder to get kills, and harder to stay safe and alive while sniping.

But, I've done all I can to demonstrate how ridiculous sniping is, and I can only imagine CCP has heard what myself and few other snipers have been saying. Whether they agree is a whole other issue.

when i was sniping, the one thing that was missing was bushes.

A fellow sniper huh? Thats funny, so concerned about balance yet I looked for your tanks are OP thread...could not find it. Thats how you shoot anyone with any gun btw, point nd shoot. So yeah I think you guys are cry babies. Look at the k/d ratio leaders and tell me they are snipers.

oh so, you run and gun with sniper then?

Haha, this sums it up, you obviously hate snipers, so start a cry thread and try and get them nerfed kind of transparent. Next time dont tip your hand.

Why not just have a headshot damage bonus applied to the suit itself so all weapons do that increased damage universally? Since this game doesn't support OHK headshots for the most part, this would seem to me to be a solution for everyone.

So we got tanks nerfed, now we screaming nerf snipers? Jesus just go ahead and say you want everyone to run around with a fuc king assault rifle and be done with it. Take all the skills out of the game, remove the market, and just give everyone the damn militia assault suit and be done.

A Headshot from a sniper should kill you instantly period. Shield Armor all the extras should go right out the window, because the sniper headshotted you. **** be glad it's just a damage bonus and not an instant kill. Be happy for the small things for the love of god.

What you call "joke" seems alot like true colors to me.

lol Head shots should kill you anyway, all that armor on your head still wont stop the kinetic energy from a rail gun from smacking into your head and attempting to pull off that helmet of yours from your shoulders taking the head with it. I think it would just separate your spine at the neck and your suit would hold your head on just enough for it to crumple over at the neck.

Yes snipers need a nerf and need to be more difficult to use. It looks like all my opinions are dotted around this thread so I will leave it at that.

Good game man and trust me lvl 2 is all you need

THIS.
keep headshot dmg the same that rewards good aim
reduce body shot dmg is the answer

ok, i may have read that wrong but your saying that you went x-0 but yet your complaining because its OP? I dont see anyone complaining that they are OP cuz they get a good k/d ratio. I switch back and forth between all dropsuits and usually manage to get at least five kills minimum.

Snipers aren't OP, if you think about it Military Snipers are trained to one shot. If CCP is going to mimic real physics for the dropships then the Snipers are where they should be. Realisticly.....As far as tanks go they seem to be fair now. they were pretty strong last build but its leveled out now. not too hard to kill but not too easy neither. a good tank with a bunch of SP put into it will still decimate. I was in a militia tank and still got 6 kills before someone killed it. So somone has already said it......

Snipers are annoying, at best. Hard to get too but easy to kill. Skilled snipers are a little more difficult but still lack the shields and armor. If your getting killed as a sniper, throw your sniper rifle on a Frontline Assault.

Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered.

So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons?

Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle.

So that has nothing to do with the fact that ppl have weak shields armor? Or are you saying sniper rifles do more damage then the stats? You should have more armor/shields than the 220 damage my rifle does. I aim for the head, because thats what snipers do

Look at his first post. He posted an opinion and immediately started talking nerf. His freaking thread title implies that sniping/sniper rifles are op.

Our issue is that he keeps hopping points when people show him he's wrong, and he just wants to down something publicly without giving any evidence as to why it legitimately deserves it.

Confirmed for never having used a forge gun.

Forge gun sniping is even more reliable for kills than regular sniping since most low-quality snipers are standing/crouching still anyway.

Why is everyone finding every possible argument against this guy? He stated a simple opinion of his, and everyone jumped on him for it. Sniping IS a little bit over the top right now, especially in the rocky open map where CCP seemed to forget the importance of cover.
IF this was the exact same comment as about 500 previous threads (like the tank discussions have been) then you people would have justified grounds for your hate, but seriously these forums are for opinions, and not everyone will share your opinion, and if they don't, then give a legitimate excuse for why his suggestion is or is not valid.

I am done with this thread, but I will leave it with two words that I think defines your points.

INVALID FIT

Okay I will come back in to agree with you, CCP should nerf/adjust sniper rifles because of hit detection. It makes perfect sense now.

I wish I could quit you...


But seriously, I hope you know I am just a passionate person. My arguments can be sharpish, but nothing personal man. I respect your opinion..... I just think its wrong.

Your first post suggest ways to negatively impact performance to make it more balanced as you see fit. You claim them OP, and thus that they need to be powered down a bit.

How the kitten do you define a nerf?

If they move it to the proto level, they'll also need to buff it's damage to make up for the steep requirement. The charge is meant to sacrifice range and rate of fire for high damage. It has tradeoffs, and if you're going to push it further from the player (which isn't a big deal since new players with low investment shouldn't be getting something so powerful so fast) you need to offbalance it by making it more powerful for it's tier.

You don't know what you are talking about, and you've displayed it in every single post you've made in this thread. Please leave and let the people who are serious, educated, and willing to listen exchange ideas and find ways to better the game in a proactive and thoughtful way.

You do nothing but contribute one-line random spewings which fail to provide any backing, proof, or even reasoning for why you say things.

At the very minimum keep your ideas away from me, I feel that I lose something I may not be able to regain everytime I am forced to respond to your dribble.

Best recourse -- triangulate on the sniper, w/ a throw away fit if you need to (all militia), then sneak up on them & kill them.

Other recourses:

• Turn on your mic & call it out to your team, then move away from the area the sniper is calling home. Someone else will deal with it or the sniper will expose themself as they look for a new sniping position.
• Find someone with a tank. Very difficult to snipe a tank with anything less than a forge gun.
• Switch to a heavy fit. Much harder to one shot a heavy with an infantry weapon.

I agree with the sway being a little light between shots, sniper proficiency II makes the sway minor. It should not be minor until V. As far as tactics against snipers, well there are counter snipers. Also almost every time I get confronted by an AR my paper armor shreds, how about two AR = dead sniper. I like sniper class and will use it even though heads up I am few most times. The reason its worth it is I get range and power instead. I took this thread as a thread asking for snipers to get nothing to balance the deficits they have. Assault rifles rip through me like I am nothing. I would not want to be a sniper if CCP turned my gun into a low rof long range AR, and I dont think many others would either. I dont really see a need for a nerf. If the kills in this game were sorted, tanks and AR would be at the top, not snipers. Really guys its not even that bad. I did just go 12-0, but you know why? Not an op gun. It was because nobody bothered to look up. If they would have done anything at all to counter, it would have been different.

Haha. I like it. Out of my entire rant, the only comeback you could make was about RE's. Love it.

Yes, RE's were OP. I was making a point that people complain too much. Even the dreaded RE's can be countered, and I did it all the time. People are lazy and don't want to think through how something can be countered. Instead, they ask for a nerf.

I've been here since E3. If that makes me new, then yes, I'm new.

Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO.
Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread.

You guys want to see how easy it is to hipfire a sniper rifle. Go get yourself chased by a leveled up AR being used by a even just semi-skilled person and try it, after you respawn come back here and fill us in

While using a sniper, I've tried hipshooting guys, and I've done it once out of maybe 20 tries. It's nearly impossible. You are a gaming god if you can do it consistently. If you're in a scout suit, you're dead from an AR before you can get a second shot off from the hip (because let's be honest, no one is going to hipfire and get the first one). Nope. Calling BS on that one.

well vermaak I hope you can live with ohk as I live with shotties, because sleepy zans Thale deals 500-ish damage per shot, also a sniper rifle that needs multiple shots to be effective is just a weird AR. Dont get me wrong I dont think body shots should ohk, unless the guys suit is just a really weak scout fit.

Yes, but with the sway it's very difficult to do. You really can't quick scope in this game.

I like you, Vermaak. This is fun.

It's nearly impossible, which means 98% of the snipers who are playing can't do it. And what does that tells us? That it's not a problem.

Game. Set. Match.

One more point before I go to bed. To people complaining about a lot of snipers on the diagonal rock map:

That map is VERY sniper friendly. Those rocks jutting out that people love to climb. Of course you'll see a lot of snipers there. But if you play one of the maps where everything is contained or inside a building for the most part, you see hardly any snipers. And the ones who are sniping end up with 2 kills and 3 deaths.

Don't blame a class or weapon for things that the map dictates.

You just reinforced my point. The map is sniper friendly. You can't do that on some of the other maps. Some yes, some no. That's balance. You can't base your opinions on one map.

I used to hate the map that is just that one building. But there is a veeery good sniping spot in that map, not to brag because I am not leet, but I usually end up 10+/0 on that map.



Also I didnt know that guy was a sniper, I based my assumption on the fact of seeing so many tanks go 25+/0 in matches I had been in.

for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR.

Charge sniper rifle just needs to NOT be unlocked at lv 1. Make it level 3 or 4. Why the best sniper rifle in the game is unlocked right away is beyond me >_<