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Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:41:00 -
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I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:44:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him Thing about headshots, when sniping you shouldn't get more than one shot. So headshots reward skill. I would be more inclined to reduce body damage. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.16 23:49:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? He risked death by being in ar range of enemies but they didn't give it to him I would say anywhere on the field of battle is in range of something. Rock paper scissors. So snipers have power and range, they also have there down sides. Turning them into a long range AR is not the answer. Why does everyone want rock rock rock. |
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:16:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I've been saying this forever. My dumb alt, Threetimes Infinity, is 112-2 with newbie skill levels and nothing but sniping. Even with low skills it's no big deal to get into the teens worth of kills with zero deaths. I've talked about what I think needs to be done with sniping in other threads, but to summarize, sniping is too easy, too safe, and maybe too powerful. The charge rifle should not be a standard level item, as it is the best sniper rifle in the game. Other than that, either bullet travel time or permanent sway needs to be added, and a bright, blue-white tracer like railguns in EVE have. That way, it's harder to get kills, and harder to stay safe and alive while sniping.
But, I've done all I can to demonstrate how ridiculous sniping is, and I can only imagine CCP has heard what myself and few other snipers have been saying. Whether they agree is a whole other issue. At least a fellow sniper agrees with me A fellow sniper huh? Thats funny, so concerned about balance yet I looked for your tanks are OP thread...could not find it. Thats how you shoot anyone with any gun btw, point nd shoot. So yeah I think you guys are cry babies. Look at the k/d ratio leaders and tell me they are snipers. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:19:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:4447 wrote:when i was sniping, the one thing that was missing was bushes. The only missing element for canpers besides tents Haha, this sums it up, you obviously hate snipers, so start a cry thread and try and get them nerfed kind of transparent. Next time dont tip your hand. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:28:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I've been saying this forever. My dumb alt, Threetimes Infinity, is 112-2 with newbie skill levels and nothing but sniping. Even with low skills it's no big deal to get into the teens worth of kills with zero deaths. I've talked about what I think needs to be done with sniping in other threads, but to summarize, sniping is too easy, too safe, and maybe too powerful. The charge rifle should not be a standard level item, as it is the best sniper rifle in the game. Other than that, either bullet travel time or permanent sway needs to be added, and a bright, blue-white tracer like railguns in EVE have. That way, it's harder to get kills, and harder to stay safe and alive while sniping.
But, I've done all I can to demonstrate how ridiculous sniping is, and I can only imagine CCP has heard what myself and few other snipers have been saying. Whether they agree is a whole other issue. So then if you were telling the truth threetimes infinity would be at the top of the leader boards with a 56-1 k/d. Sounds better when you exaggerate though. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 00:46:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:4447 wrote:when i was sniping, the one thing that was missing was bushes. The only missing element for canpers besides tents Haha, this sums it up, you obviously hate snipers, so start a cry thread and try and get them nerfed kind of transparent. Next time dont tip your hand. Lol this thread doesn't even imply a sniper ever killed me. In that quote i simply made a joke How is it crying when I'm not blatantly asking for a nerf and giving reasonable suggestions What you call "joke" seems alot like true colors to me. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:11:00 -
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Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:14:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jane DeArc wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered. So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons? Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head So that has nothing to do with the fact that ppl have weak shields armor? Or are you saying sniper rifles do more damage then the stats? You should have more armor/shields than the 220 damage my rifle does. I aim for the head, because thats what snipers do |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:17:00 -
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This is a nerf sniper players thread, sleepy zan is cool with it because he knows he is good enough to hipshot ppl, so he knows a nerf would not effect him and he could care less about anyone else, be elite or f o right? |
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Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:24:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:I just went 20-3 with an AR. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 17-2 with a shotty. Nerf 'em.
Before that I went 19-4 with a forge gun. Nerf 'em.
Let's just nerf everything because (I count, what, 6 people on this thread who are against?) because 6 people don't like them. Maybe it's 7. Yeah, that seems right. Let's do what 7 people (out of 1000?) want to do. Brilliant.
Its hilarious, because we have all these nerf threads, but they're usually the same 7 or 8 people within the respective thread complaining. Get over yourselves. Yes, there are areas of the game that require less skill than others. Deal with it. Stop whining. I kill snipers all the time with an AR. I kill snipers with a sniper rifle. It's not that hard. How many people are actually getting killed by a sniper while they're playing an assault? If you are, you're doing it wrong. Sniping is way to easy in this build the only thing holding it back at the moment is lag and hit detection, once that is gone and people get a little better everyone will be running around with snipers like they are ARs. I see plenty of assaults getting killed by a sniper and when lag is low strafing and running is useless 2 back to back shots at the most with a good rifle you are dead. Sorry but when the other noob snipers get better and servers are stable assault rifles will be meaningless . Dude.... Keep your ridiculous argument a little less ridiculous. AR will be pointless? Lol tipping your hand again guys. If you make your points blatantly ridiculous ppl will see through to your real motivation. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:27:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jane DeArc wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I'm complaining because the risk/sp required is a lot lower than the reward you get through sniping. So far while sniping, every match i get about 15+ kills to about 0-3 deaths using a very unskilled method Your complaint indicates that there are not enough people killing snipers, because you haven't provided an argument that indicates WHY their weapons are overpowered. So...nerf sniper players, not their weapons? Actually it's still the weapon because i shouldn't be getting that many kills with so little sp on mainly type 2 suits especially considering i don't purposefully aim for the head So that has nothing to do with the fact that ppl have weak shields armor? Or are you saying sniper rifles do more damage then the stats? You should have more armor/shields than the 220 damage my rifle does. I aim for the head, because thats what snipers do Oh we have a sniper in the room show me your marksman medals. Seriously there shouldn't be such a gap in headshot damage boost. Haha, dude you said you didnt aim for the head, we really have you twisted around, huh? |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Sleepy zan is skilled and wants to make sniping impossible for average players, I get it. So who is skilled at shotty, come on make the op thread. I know plenty of people who are average snipers, you ppl and you leet crap. Why are snipers op? Because they deal more damage than AR? The argument that you can hipshot ppl chasing you is dumb. That has more to do with your skill and nothing to do with a sniper rifle. I sucked with snipers when I first started out with them and I never used them in any previous game I played and now I already have people calling me a leet sniper? I want people to get good and expect them to, I don't want to hold people back and stop progression. Please don't pretend to know my intentions. Snipers are over powered at the moment that is a fact. If I see someone with an AR coming at me and all I have to do is one shot qs them there is a problem. Quick scoping is not a trait linked to sniper rifles. Why do you keep using that as a reason for a nerf. Its a skill thing. Do you want CCP to install a 4 sec delay on scopes? |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:39:00 -
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I am done with this thread, but I will leave it with two words that I think defines your points.
INVALID FIT |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 02:53:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I am done with this thread, but I will leave it with two words that I think defines your points.
INVALID FIT Let me describe what you type HIT DETECTION Okay I will come back in to agree with you, CCP should nerf/adjust sniper rifles because of hit detection. It makes perfect sense now. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:08:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I am done with this thread, but I will leave it with two words that I think defines your points.
INVALID FIT Let me describe what you type HIT DETECTION Okay I will come back in to agree with you, CCP should nerf/adjust sniper rifles because of hit detection. It makes perfect sense now. I'm not getting what you say as hit detection is mainly a problem in high rof weapons Lol still on my thread? I wish I could quit you...
But seriously, I hope you know I am just a passionate person. My arguments can be sharpish, but nothing personal man. I respect your opinion..... I just think its wrong. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:40:00 -
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I agree with the sway being a little light between shots, sniper proficiency II makes the sway minor. It should not be minor until V. As far as tactics against snipers, well there are counter snipers. Also almost every time I get confronted by an AR my paper armor shreds, how about two AR = dead sniper. I like sniper class and will use it even though heads up I am few most times. The reason its worth it is I get range and power instead. I took this thread as a thread asking for snipers to get nothing to balance the deficits they have. Assault rifles rip through me like I am nothing. I would not want to be a sniper if CCP turned my gun into a low rof long range AR, and I dont think many others would either. I dont really see a need for a nerf. If the kills in this game were sorted, tanks and AR would be at the top, not snipers. Really guys its not even that bad. I did just go 12-0, but you know why? Not an op gun. It was because nobody bothered to look up. If they would have done anything at all to counter, it would have been different. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:54:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I agree with the sway being a little light between shots, sniper proficiency II makes the sway minor. It should not be minor until V. As far as tactics against snipers, well there are counter snipers. Also almost every time I get confronted by an AR my paper armor shreds, how about two AR = dead sniper. I like sniper class and will use it even though heads up I am few most times. The reason its worth it is I get range and power instead. I took this thread as a thread asking for snipers to get nothing to balance the deficits they have. Assault rifles rip through me like I am nothing. I would not want to be a sniper if CCP turned my gun into a low rof long range AR, and I dont think many others would either. I dont really see a need for a nerf. If the kills in this game were sorted, tanks and AR would be at the top, not snipers. Really guys its not even that bad. I did just go 12-0, but you know why? Not an op gun. It was because nobody bothered to look up. If they would have done anything at all to counter, it would have been different. Kills tanks and ars but kdrs snipers and shotties Ps nice tricking waiting to post again but I'm an insomniac so you not outlasting me Challenge accepted. Also tanks are tops in K/D, going 25+/0 will do that. And I dont want to talk about shotties, I geuss they have a place in fps but I have always thought them to be cheap, no aim win flingers. They really bugged me in MGO. Maybe I should start a thread about nerfing them... Just kidding please nobody start a nerf shottie thread. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:00:00 -
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You guys want to see how easy it is to hipfire a sniper rifle. Go get yourself chased by a leveled up AR being used by a even just semi-skilled person and try it, after you respawn come back here and fill us in |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:08:00 -
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well vermaak I hope you can live with ohk as I live with shotties, because sleepy zans Thale deals 500-ish damage per shot, also a sniper rifle that needs multiple shots to be effective is just a weird AR. Dont get me wrong I dont think body shots should ohk, unless the guys suit is just a really weak scout fit. |
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Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:17:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zan didn't mean hipfire by quickscope, just pressing aim and shooting at the sane time Yes, but with the sway it's very difficult to do. You really can't quick scope in this game. Difficult but not impossible I think thats the point we are trying to make. I really dont see enough ppl being skilled enough to bring sleepy zans fear to life. Haha I can see the nightmare he is having right now. endless matches of 24 vs 24 all snipers all quick scoping. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:31:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:One more point before I go to bed. To people complaining about a lot of snipers on the diagonal rock map:
That map is VERY sniper friendly. Those rocks jutting out that people love to climb. Of course you'll see a lot of snipers there. But if you play one of the maps where everything is contained or inside a building for the most part, you see hardly any snipers. And the ones who are sniping end up with 2 kills and 3 deaths.
Don't blame a class or weapon for things that the map dictates. That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle I used to hate the map that is just that one building. But there is a veeery good sniping spot in that map, not to brag because I am not leet, but I usually end up 10+/0 on that map.
Also I didnt know that guy was a sniper, I based my assumption on the fact of seeing so many tanks go 25+/0 in matches I had been in. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 05:39:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jin Robot wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:One more point before I go to bed. To people complaining about a lot of snipers on the diagonal rock map:
That map is VERY sniper friendly. Those rocks jutting out that people love to climb. Of course you'll see a lot of snipers there. But if you play one of the maps where everything is contained or inside a building for the most part, you see hardly any snipers. And the ones who are sniping end up with 2 kills and 3 deaths.
Don't blame a class or weapon for things that the map dictates. That's where i went 15 (or so) and 0 and got a close range kill with the rifle I used to hate the map that is just that one building. But there is a veeery good sniping spot in that map, not to brag because I am not leet, but I usually end up 10+/0 on that map. Also I didnt know that guy was a sniper, I based my assumption on the fact of seeing so many tanks go 25+/0 in matches I had been in. You though i was a tanker? for awhile before the fix I thought everyone was a tanker. seriously though he was talking about you? I must have been confused because I assumed you ran AR. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:34:00 -
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So to recap, the reasons I have seen ppl calling for a nerf are..
1. Quick scoping, even though all admit its very hard to do.
2. Headshots do more damage.
3. They can one hit kill.
4. Ppl can achieve a good k/d ratio.
None of those reasons seem valid to me. |
Jin Robot
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:39:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Jin Robot wrote:I have seen some AR guys go 17-0. We need to adjust AR also? Some people are very good and have to be close ish to shoot you with an ar snipers well can be any where out of range and still kill its like bamm dead wtf no one around then it come up so an so killed by charge sniper rifle I get more frustrated by snipers than good assault players Rock paper scissors. I suggest you stop trying to view all classes as if they should be the same. I mean thats how snipers are supposed to work, you dont see it coming. |
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