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Breakin Stuff wrote:

Shadowed Cola wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit.

Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns.

But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended.

But this back and forth BS really needs to go.

We're ... already fire support...

Unless you stand in front of us, other weapons DPS are higher, at longer ranges, in maps that mostly favor such play. Against suits capable of escaping our broken firepower.

If it wasn't for objectives themselves being CQC territory heavies wouldn't even have a purpose on the field. Scouts can't say that. But even as it is - scouts finish up what heavies push back. or Assaults. Without the fire-power to do the pushing then you're better off never fielding it. TTK is still too low to justify it's existence.

even with high DPS we have such limited range that most of us are forced to put some kind of speed mod on. Take away damage, wtf do we next? Killing is the only way we get WP's too - so how do you off-set the WP loss that we already don't get compared to classes with equipment?

I'm not liking this direction at all >_>

The point. you missed it. Right now the sentinel is a mainline brawler, not a suppression/support suit.

Anyone who says that we're a support class right now doesn't understand the concept of supporting or suppressive fire.

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.10.15 12:58:00 - [1141] - Quote I forced myself to run the standard HMG (Construct) this morning. I was running Amarr Sent at first, and switched to Call Sent half way through due to a good Mass Driver wielding Min Assault who I was having trouble with. Most of my deaths, aside from that Min Assault with the Mass Driver, was to a Corporal and 2 Privates from NPC Corps who were running Shotgun Scouts fits. They were probably alts of experienced DUST players because they played well for the most part, but I probably had the gear and definitely the Skill Point advantage. My only kills against the Shotgun Scouts was during the brief time when I switched to running the Burst HMG. I find with the Burst HMG vs Shotgun I have a 50/50 chance of winning and most of it is based on player skill and luck. But I needed to test the standard HMG, so I switched back to it, and I donGÇÖt think I won a single close in fight against the Scouts with it. Even when I was getting hits while causing them to miss, or was fighting them from beyond their optimal, so that it took them six shots to kill me, I still died before I could kill them. I went 9/16, with one of those kills being with my new Magsec and at least 2 being with the Burst HMG. My conclusion is that the standard HMG seems rather anemic. Sure it is easier to use than the Burst HMG because you can spray while aiming and are more likely to hit strafing or jumping targets that way, but it barely seems any better than the Assault HMG in close combat. And I was comparing the Proto HMG to the Advanced Assault & Burst as I never run Proto with those two. While yes, I think that a Shotgun Scout should have the advantage against an HMG Sentinel in CQC, if the Scout can't kill the Sentinel in 3 shots the Sentinel should have a good chance of winning the fight. If the Sentinel can't win the fight when the Scout has to take 6 shots to kill him, then something is wrong, and I don't think it was my pore aim that was to blame this time. I was getting hits. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.15 20:01:00 - [1142] - Quote Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit. Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns. But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended. But this back and forth BS really needs to go. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 859	Posted - 2015.10.15 23:31:00 - [1143] - Quote If Sentinels change to be fire support, what changes are likely to be made to the suit and/or weapons? Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 861	Posted - 2015.10.21 19:42:00 - [1144] - Quote If we're going to become fire support specialists instead of CQC powerhouses, we'll definitely need more weapons. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.23 00:31:00 - [1145] - Quote that's up in the air. Bluntly no matter what happens, someone's getting pissed off. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.10.23 00:38:00 - [1146] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit. Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns. But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended. But this back and forth BS really needs to go. We're ... already fire support... Unless you stand in front of us, other weapons DPS are higher, at longer ranges, in maps that mostly favor such play. If it wasn't for objectives themselves being CQC territory heavies wouldn't even have a purpose on the field. Scouts can't say that. But even as it is - scouts finish up what heavies push back. or Assaults. Without the fire-power to do the pushing then you're better off never fielding it. TTK is still too low to justify it's existence. even with high DPS we have such limited range that most of us are forced to put some kind of speed mod on. Take away damage, wtf do we next? Killing is the only way we get WP's too - so how do you off-set the WP loss that we already don't get compared to classes with equipment? I'm not liking this direction at all >_>
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.23 02:38:00 - [1147] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit. Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns. But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended. But this back and forth BS really needs to go. We're ... already fire support... Unless you stand in front of us, other weapons DPS are higher, at longer ranges, in maps that mostly favor such play. Against suits capable of escaping our broken firepower. If it wasn't for objectives themselves being CQC territory heavies wouldn't even have a purpose on the field. Scouts can't say that. But even as it is - scouts finish up what heavies push back. or Assaults. Without the fire-power to do the pushing then you're better off never fielding it. TTK is still too low to justify it's existence. even with high DPS we have such limited range that most of us are forced to put some kind of speed mod on. Take away damage, wtf do we next? Killing is the only way we get WP's too - so how do you off-set the WP loss that we already don't get compared to classes with equipment? I'm not liking this direction at all >_> The point. you missed it. Right now the sentinel is a mainline brawler, not a suppression/support suit. Anyone who says that we're a support class right now doesn't understand the concept of supporting or suppressive fire. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Jonny D Buelle The Warlords Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.23 05:06:00 - [1148] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit. Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns. But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended. But this back and forth BS really needs to go. We're ... already fire support... Unless you stand in front of us, other weapons DPS are higher, at longer ranges, in maps that mostly favor such play. Against suits capable of escaping our broken firepower. If it wasn't for objectives themselves being CQC territory heavies wouldn't even have a purpose on the field. Scouts can't say that. But even as it is - scouts finish up what heavies push back. or Assaults. Without the fire-power to do the pushing then you're better off never fielding it. TTK is still too low to justify it's existence. even with high DPS we have such limited range that most of us are forced to put some kind of speed mod on. Take away damage, wtf do we next? Killing is the only way we get WP's too - so how do you off-set the WP loss that we already don't get compared to classes with equipment? I'm not liking this direction at all >_> The point. you missed it. Right now the sentinel is a mainline brawler, not a suppression/support suit. Anyone who says that we're a support class right now doesn't understand the concept of supporting or suppressive fire. I still consider myself a Sentinel true to form: A defender. Seriously I just sit my fat ass in an objective. Do I brawl? When the need arises. But I mainly just sit. Note: In no way am I saying that a Defender is a support role. Director of T-W-L Keeper of the List Lord of Scrubs
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 654	Posted - 2015.10.23 20:14:00 - [1149] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: If we're going to become fire support specialists instead of CQC powerhouses, we'll definitely need more weapons. Heavys can use Forge /HMG - ALL Light weapons and all sidearms in Heavy weapon slot. So 50 weapons is not enough you want more? I run Rail Rifle all the time on my Heavy.Try different weapons with your heavy.They still can Rock and Roll.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 880	Posted - 2015.10.23 20:25:00 - [1150] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: If we're going to become fire support specialists instead of CQC powerhouses, we'll definitely need more weapons. Heavys can use Forge /HMG - ALL Light weapons and all sidearms in Heavy weapon slot. So 50 weapons is not enough you want more? I run Rail Rifle all the time on my Heavy.Try different weapons with your heavy.They still can Rock and Roll. What we want is more Heavy weapons because, let's be honest, if we're going to start using Light weapons on a Sentinel then we may as well respec into Commando suits. Purifier. First Class.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.23 21:01:00 - [1151] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: If we're going to become fire support specialists instead of CQC powerhouses, we'll definitely need more weapons. Heavys can use Forge /HMG - ALL Light weapons and all sidearms in Heavy weapon slot. So 50 weapons is not enough you want more? I run Rail Rifle all the time on my Heavy.Try different weapons with your heavy.They still can Rock and Roll. What we want is more Heavy weapons because, let's be honest, if we're going to start using Light weapons on a Sentinel then we may as well respec into Commando suits. Screw respecs, I'm actively skilling into commandos. But yeah we need more heavy weapons. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.10.23 23:18:00 - [1152] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Honestly i would like to push for sentinels to be a fire support platform rather than a mainline suit. Having scouts and sentinels argue over who gets to be CQC kings is getting old. If sentinels are best at CQC then scouts should have a harder time killing us with shotguns. But if sentinels are intended as a ranged support platform then shottyganking is working as intended. But this back and forth BS really needs to go. Thing about Sentinels vs Scouts is that Sentinels are used for defending an objective from enemies, which result in taking them down, whether they are in numbers of not. Scouts, on the other hand, are not meant to go to combat directly. They strike lone targets, hack objectives, and try to get their teammates a better position to flank the opposition. To me, I find these roles to both be supportive. A Sentinel supports the back by staying in objectives, the scout supports by getting to an enemy objective first, setting up base, and capturing it before anyone has a chance to react. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.10.23 23:44:00 - [1153] - Quote Eh i disagree for many reasons, but to each his own. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Hylian11 Opus Arcana 290	Posted - 2015.10.23 23:54:00 - [1154] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Scouts, on the other hand, are not meant to go to combat directly. They strike lone targets, hack objectives, and try to get their teammates a better position to flank the opposition. Scouts are designed for stealth, bastardly sneak attacks, hacking. Scouts should rarely engage, they should do the job of the GalLogi, but my tantrum on that issue is not for the Bastion. I am an Original Bastard, been a scout since around the Beginning of Open Beta, and a lot longer on older games, but I don't believe scouts are the CQC kings. I am a Sentinel and a Scout, I understand both sides of this spectrum, and it gets tiring. This argument has been around for ages. Agree to Disagree. Cease and desist. OG Biomass Even in death, there can be honor.
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game 970	Posted - 2015.10.23 23:56:00 - [1155] - Quote Scrambler Lance? Plasma Mortar? ??? I LIKE PIE
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.10.24 11:21:00 - [1156] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Scrambler Lance? Plasma Mortar? ??? We won't get those even in our dreams Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 893	Posted - 2015.10.24 12:10:00 - [1157] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Scrambler Lance? Plasma Mortar? ??? We won't get those even in our dreams Never say never. If Ratatti can get the Power Cores done, and trim the maps, that might free enough resources for an Amarr and Gallente Heavy weapon as well as a few other missing assets. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.03 22:50:00 - [1158] - Quote I don't know why my bastion has dropped off of page one... CORRECT YOURSELVES! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 914	Posted - 2015.11.05 11:19:00 - [1159] - Quote There are only about 5 of us who regularly visit the thread. Are Sentinels that few in number or is the thread just overlooked? Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.07 06:51:00 - [1160] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: There are only about 5 of us who regularly visit the thread. Are Sentinels that few in number or is the thread just overlooked? Sentinels aren't that common after the HMG nerf bat. Rarely see anything other than proto amarr or gallente suits when I am able to make the pss3 work WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 921	Posted - 2015.11.07 09:25:00 - [1161] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: There are only about 5 of us who regularly visit the thread. Are Sentinels that few in number or is the thread just overlooked? Sentinels aren't that common after the HMG nerf bat. Rarely see anything other than proto amarr or gallente suits when I am able to make the pss3 work Gallente Assaults are definitely more common now. Took a break from Dust and, when I came back, I found Cal and Min Assaults to be a nightmare with the HMG. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.11.08 11:50:00 - [1162] - Quote If you don't kill them outright, you're probably going to die. This doesn't bug me at a core level. It's not a shield profile weapon. But there's a lot wrong with the sentinel IMHO. Has been for a long time. The first mistake was trying to balance them like the farking TF2 heavy in a game that has mostly open space. Then most of the objectives got moved into cqc clusterf**k areas where fatties were balanced to solidly dominate. Now we have the current mess. And I can't lay any of it at the feet of the current dev team. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 921	Posted - 2015.11.09 11:39:00 - [1163] - Quote Current team were left with one hell of a mess to try and clean up, and they're doing a great job give what they have to work with. Shame most of the playerbase still screams "nerf" at the slightest thing. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.11.09 19:07:00 - [1164] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: There are only about 5 of us who regularly visit the thread. Are Sentinels that few in number or is the thread just overlooked? I try to post links to this thread in Sentinel threads I find on other parts of the forum. It helps to bring new people in. I was out on training most of last week, and was at a conference the week before, so it has been a while since I have posted much. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 921	Posted - 2015.11.15 18:21:00 - [1165] - Quote I'm expecting/hoping to see a lot of heavies around for the Logi event. Should be interesting. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2015.11.22 01:14:00 - [1166] - Quote I'm actually going to find time to be on. We should make fatty squads with logistics players and roll down hills onto people. Screw that camping points sh*t. Sentinels, commandos and our logibros, on a glorious rampage of murder, assault, fire and pain. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 922	Posted - 2015.11.22 01:50:00 - [1167] - Quote We would be a great, slow moving tide of death, destruction and doughnut chunks. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2015.11.22 01:57:00 - [1168] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: We would be a great, slow moving tide of death, destruction and doughnut chunks. Pretty sure the scout and assault players have been hiding donuts from us. We should gather our logibros and explain why this is unacceptable. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
danthrax martin Bad Blueberries 604	Posted - 2015.11.22 03:13:00 - [1169] - Quote I can't handle slow heavy death anymore. I'm soo hooked on speed heavies that I go nuts with an armor tank. I thought K/D padding was better than Kotex.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 12	Posted - 2015.11.22 04:06:00 - [1170] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: I can't handle slow heavy death anymore. I'm soo hooked on speed heavies that I go nuts with an armor tank. I mostly run calsents and Minsents. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.



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