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Megaman Trigger wrote:

Fristname Family name wrote:

Megaman Trigger wrote:

Figured I'd run a few ideas past you guys and see if any have merit.

What if Forge Guns had a half charge option? Half the charge time for half the range and power but dispersion on the shot, latter caused my vibrations from charging. Would be good for close range engagements with infantry (basically a large Bolt Pistol or sniper) or getting off that last shot on a retreating vehicle before it gets behind cover.

Amarr Heavy AV - Scrambler Cannon: Shoulder mounted Scrambler weapon that fires a short range charged blast. 3 stage tier means that up to 3 'rounds' of ammo can be pumped into a single shot for increased power but a longer seize time and more heat damage when venting.

the forge gun currently is at a nice balance with only minor damage changes needed and also new heavy weapons have been announced long ago which they are probably currently working on. didnt read your post besides everything up to half charge, i personally dont think anything drastic like that is needed.

Base class Forges need work, since they currently have deal less damage than the AFG, when the opposite should be true. Base should be higher Alpha, AFG should be ROF. BFG needs a minor buff to charge time and removal of the immobilisation while charging crap.

All would benefit from L1 precision aiming (not ADS/zoom) and charge meter on reticule.

No new Heavy weapons were announced, just that the devs (or rather Ratatti) wanted to use existing assets to make them.

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Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 781	Posted - 2015.08.13 23:39:00 - [841] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Tell killa that was total BS. He can come to the ground and fight like a real man with me any day. LOLz that got so annoying what level of the tower did he go to I did not spot him with a Forge gun. you can't counter snipe, the angel he's shooting from makes it hard without shooting from the point itself back at him, and he'll see you long before you see him to line up the shot. He did push before sniping, but like I said, he got mad at us and pulled out a sniper and just sat up there as we pricked around, lol.
Soul Eater II New Eden's Army Rise Of Legion. 208	Posted - 2015.08.14 01:12:00 - [842] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: I was trying, sorta, to be nice. But i guess i'll say this straight: There is a reason i keep bringing up getting in the good games. Get off your high horse, i've seen you play at your 'best' in the very few PC's you get into, you're not that good. You're barely good enough to consider for a PC match when it's PRO vs O.P. (Shout out to O.P. they're a great corp) I don't really care what people think of me - I was validated as a player around here a long time ago, But you're still crawling for acceptance because you're hardly worth accepting. Now get good, scrub. Anyone on that list would pummel you into the noob you are. First of who tf is PRO? And many people acknowledge my skill as a Heavy. I've played with you in squads before and I just wanna say, you suck. (: One Badass Heavy *My Theme Song ;D*
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 221	Posted - 2015.08.14 01:28:00 - [843] - Quote Fools! Everyone knows that I am the Greatest heavy! Fools! I will take you both on in a militia frame VS Proto! Fools! (Soul Eater) Having that as your Theme Song is like having super man on your zombie team, it is cheating! Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 22 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult/ Caldari Logi
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.08.14 01:32:00 - [844] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Fools! Everyone knows that I am the Greatest heavy! Fools! I will take you both on in a militia frame VS Proto! Fools! (Soul Eater) Having that as your Theme Song is like having super man on your zombie team, it is cheating! Ignore the kid dude, he is is just whoring for attention Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Vash Warren SMARTCREW Smart Deploy 222	Posted - 2015.08.14 01:50:00 - [845] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Vash Warren wrote: Fools! Everyone knows that I am the Greatest heavy! Fools! I will take you both on in a militia frame VS Proto! Fools! (Soul Eater) Having that as your Theme Song is like having super man on your zombie team, it is cheating! Ignore the kid dude, he is is just whoring for attention obvious troll is obvious much? Caldari Body, Caldari Core, But Amarr with my Soul. 22 Mil SP, Next Adventure. Amarr Assult/ Caldari Logi
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.08.14 01:55:00 - [846] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Vash Warren wrote: Fools! Everyone knows that I am the Greatest heavy! Fools! I will take you both on in a militia frame VS Proto! Fools! (Soul Eater) Having that as your Theme Song is like having super man on your zombie team, it is cheating! Ignore the kid dude, he is is just whoring for attention obvious troll is obvious much? Or that, yes Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 782	Posted - 2015.08.14 02:33:00 - [847] - Quote Soul Eater II wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I was trying, sorta, to be nice. But i guess i'll say this straight: There is a reason i keep bringing up getting in the good games. Get off your high horse, i've seen you play at your 'best' in the very few PC's you get into, you're not that good. You're barely good enough to consider for a PC match when it's PRO vs O.P. (Shout out to O.P. they're a great corp) I don't really care what people think of me - I was validated as a player around here a long time ago, But you're still crawling for acceptance because you're hardly worth accepting. Now get good, scrub. Anyone on that list would pummel you into the noob you are. First of who tf is PRO? And many people acknowledge my skill as a Heavy. I've played with you in squads before and I just wanna say, you suck. (: Yes, yes, you and your little side of the world think you're amazing, we get it. and lolpubs, that desperate to feel good?
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 782	Posted - 2015.08.14 02:38:00 - [848] - Quote Soul Eater II wrote: First of who tf is PRO? *Off you don't know who PRO is? Idk if you're lucky or just ignorant. lol
Soul Eater II New Eden's Army Rise Of Legion. 208	Posted - 2015.08.14 05:41:00 - [849] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Soul Eater II wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I was trying, sorta, to be nice. But i guess i'll say this straight: There is a reason i keep bringing up getting in the good games. Get off your high horse, i've seen you play at your 'best' in the very few PC's you get into, you're not that good. You're barely good enough to consider for a PC match when it's PRO vs O.P. (Shout out to O.P. they're a great corp) I don't really care what people think of me - I was validated as a player around here a long time ago, But you're still crawling for acceptance because you're hardly worth accepting. Now get good, scrub. Anyone on that list would pummel you into the noob you are. First of who tf is PRO? And many people acknowledge my skill as a Heavy. I've played with you in squads before and I just wanna say, you suck. (: Yes, yes, you and your little side of the world think you're amazing, we get it. and lolpubs, that desperate to feel good? Why You But Hurtt LOL One Badass Heavy *My Theme Song ;D*
Shadowed Cola Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 786	Posted - 2015.08.14 07:03:00 - [850] - Quote Soul Eater II wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Soul Eater II wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: I was trying, sorta, to be nice. But i guess i'll say this straight: There is a reason i keep bringing up getting in the good games. Get off your high horse, i've seen you play at your 'best' in the very few PC's you get into, you're not that good. You're barely good enough to consider for a PC match when it's PRO vs O.P. (Shout out to O.P. they're a great corp) I don't really care what people think of me - I was validated as a player around here a long time ago, But you're still crawling for acceptance because you're hardly worth accepting. Now get good, scrub. Anyone on that list would pummel you into the noob you are. First of who tf is PRO? And many people acknowledge my skill as a Heavy. I've played with you in squads before and I just wanna say, you suck. (: Yes, yes, you and your little side of the world think you're amazing, we get it. and lolpubs, that desperate to feel good? Why You But Hurtt LOL Do you see this post? It's called a reply. A reply is used to communicate, it helps with understanding. Understanding is useful, it helps a person grow and perform better. the better you get the more you can achieve What you achieve becomes the very person people believe you are you've achieved nothing. nothing is what happens when people rely on you to hold a point. A point is something you should get and stop replying to me looking like an idiot. an idiot is what you are. you are bad. bad is what a blue berry is blue berry are stuck in pubs pubs are where you always are. give me your isk.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.14 10:04:00 - [851] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: Getting away from Souls self proclamation - who do you guys think is the current best heavy? Me. Not because I'm the most skilled in infantry combat. Not because I'm better than you at AV (I am) But because I know the class back, front, left, right and center. Better than the people who care about KDR. I am also Lord Harvester and Holy distributor of f*cks not given. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 434	Posted - 2015.08.14 11:17:00 - [852] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Shadowed Cola wrote: Getting away from Souls self proclamation - who do you guys think is the current best heavy? Me. Not because I'm the most skilled in infantry combat. Not because I'm better than you at AV (I am) But because I know the class back, front, left, right and center. Better than the people who care about KDR. I am also Lord Harvester and Holy distributor of f*cks not given. And also the only merc on the boards trying to help us rather than give another whack with the nerf hammer. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.08.14 11:51:00 - [853] - Quote Vash Warren wrote: I love MegaTriggers idea on moving the Charge up meter place I have been killed a stupid number of times thinking it was a full charge releasing the shot and nothing happening due to being a 1/2 second away from a full charge. Around the reticule would be extremely valuable to the Forger community. If you have no skill points in Forge Gun Operation you can actually use the sound to let you know when you are fully charged. Too bad the charge up sound is not sped up to match the reduction in charge up time from the Operation Skill. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 436	Posted - 2015.08.14 11:58:00 - [854] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Vash Warren wrote: I love MegaTriggers idea on moving the Charge up meter place I have been killed a stupid number of times thinking it was a full charge releasing the shot and nothing happening due to being a 1/2 second away from a full charge. Around the reticule would be extremely valuable to the Forger community. If you have no skill points in Forge Gun Operation you can actually use the sound to let you know when you are fully charged. Too bad the charge up sound is not sped up to match the reduction in charge up time from the Operation Skill. That would take the original dev team giving a crap. Purifier. First Class.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 436	Posted - 2015.08.14 12:02:00 - [855] - Quote Why is the Forge Guns reticle so big and square? There's no dispersion on shots and recoil doesn't affect it, so why not just have a smaller circle or a dot? Was it to make it harder to use as an AI weapon? Because that certainly hasn't been the result. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.08.14 12:04:00 - [856] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Vash Warren wrote: I love MegaTriggers idea on moving the Charge up meter place I have been killed a stupid number of times thinking it was a full charge releasing the shot and nothing happening due to being a 1/2 second away from a full charge. Around the reticule would be extremely valuable to the Forger community. If you have no skill points in Forge Gun Operation you can actually use the sound to let you know when you are fully charged. Too bad the charge up sound is not sped up to match the reduction in charge up time from the Operation Skill. That would take the original dev team giving a crap. Oh, I don't know. Rattati might be able to tweak it. If the sound could be reset to match the charge time of the fully skilled Forge Gun that would work better. Or just put a distinctive sound in the sequence at the charge time for each skill level, so if you are fully skilled you fire on the first beep or hiss or whatever. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 441	Posted - 2015.08.15 00:46:00 - [857] - Quote Figured I'd run a few ideas past you guys and see if any have merit. What if Forge Guns had a half charge option? Half the charge time for half the range and power but dispersion on the shot, latter caused my vibrations from charging. Would be good for close range engagements with infantry (basically a large Bolt Pistol or sniper) or getting off that last shot on a retreating vehicle before it gets behind cover. Amarr Heavy AV - Scrambler Cannon: Shoulder mounted Scrambler weapon that fires a short range charged blast. 3 stage tier means that up to 3 'rounds' of ammo can be pumped into a single shot for increased power but a longer seize time and more heat damage when venting. Purifier. First Class.
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 418	Posted - 2015.08.15 00:56:00 - [858] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Figured I'd run a few ideas past you guys and see if any have merit. What if Forge Guns had a half charge option? Half the charge time for half the range and power but dispersion on the shot, latter caused my vibrations from charging. Would be good for close range engagements with infantry (basically a large Bolt Pistol or sniper) or getting off that last shot on a retreating vehicle before it gets behind cover. Amarr Heavy AV - Scrambler Cannon: Shoulder mounted Scrambler weapon that fires a short range charged blast. 3 stage tier means that up to 3 'rounds' of ammo can be pumped into a single shot for increased power but a longer seize time and more heat damage when venting. the forge gun currently is at a nice balance with only minor damage changes needed and also new heavy weapons have been announced long ago which they are probably currently working on. didnt read your post besides everything up to half charge, i personally dont think anything drastic like that is needed. BUILD MORE FARMS!
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 441	Posted - 2015.08.15 01:04:00 - [859] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Figured I'd run a few ideas past you guys and see if any have merit. What if Forge Guns had a half charge option? Half the charge time for half the range and power but dispersion on the shot, latter caused my vibrations from charging. Would be good for close range engagements with infantry (basically a large Bolt Pistol or sniper) or getting off that last shot on a retreating vehicle before it gets behind cover. Amarr Heavy AV - Scrambler Cannon: Shoulder mounted Scrambler weapon that fires a short range charged blast. 3 stage tier means that up to 3 'rounds' of ammo can be pumped into a single shot for increased power but a longer seize time and more heat damage when venting. the forge gun currently is at a nice balance with only minor damage changes needed and also new heavy weapons have been announced long ago which they are probably currently working on. didnt read your post besides everything up to half charge, i personally dont think anything drastic like that is needed. Base class Forges need work, since they currently have deal less damage than the AFG, when the opposite should be true. Base should be higher Alpha, AFG should be ROF. BFG needs a minor buff to charge time and removal of the immobilisation while charging crap. All would benefit from L1 precision aiming (not ADS/zoom) and charge meter on reticule. No new Heavy weapons were announced, just that the devs (or rather Ratatti) wanted to use existing assets to make them. Purifier. First Class.
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 419	Posted - 2015.08.15 01:24:00 - [860] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Fristname Family name wrote: Megaman Trigger wrote: Figured I'd run a few ideas past you guys and see if any have merit. What if Forge Guns had a half charge option? Half the charge time for half the range and power but dispersion on the shot, latter caused my vibrations from charging. Would be good for close range engagements with infantry (basically a large Bolt Pistol or sniper) or getting off that last shot on a retreating vehicle before it gets behind cover. Amarr Heavy AV - Scrambler Cannon: Shoulder mounted Scrambler weapon that fires a short range charged blast. 3 stage tier means that up to 3 'rounds' of ammo can be pumped into a single shot for increased power but a longer seize time and more heat damage when venting. the forge gun currently is at a nice balance with only minor damage changes needed and also new heavy weapons have been announced long ago which they are probably currently working on. didnt read your post besides everything up to half charge, i personally dont think anything drastic like that is needed. Base class Forges need work, since they currently have deal less damage than the AFG, when the opposite should be true. Base should be higher Alpha, AFG should be ROF. BFG needs a minor buff to charge time and removal of the immobilisation while charging crap. All would benefit from L1 precision aiming (not ADS/zoom) and charge meter on reticule. No new Heavy weapons were announced, just that the devs (or rather Ratatti) wanted to use existing assets to make them. Honestly i think balancing them all to have the same amount of damage even very similiar damage outputs isnt needed. How i see it the breach is only in need of a damage buff slightly the movement isnt a issue for me and never has been, the breach is more used to take down dropships as they are fairly quick and low on hp compared to a tank. the breach has high damage making it a easier kill then the assault along with being able to aim and time your shot. the basic forge gun I feel could use a buff in some ways but if you honestly look at things such as the AR with differnt variants im pretty sure they have damage outputs all over the place. I see the basic forge gun as more anti infantry and LAV kind of, because you have a held charge and can move optimizing your aim and allowing you to hit moving targets easier and faster than the breach along with added strafing capabilities to dodge things and help aim ect. The assault forge gun I dont use enough to know about buffs or debuffs needed but i do use it and i guess its fine at the moment. It is more or less for tanks primarily. High DPS and low charging means that you can easily shut down a tank that is in the wrong place at the wrong time and you can take them out pretty fast as soon as your second shot gets off and your eating into their armor or 3rd or 4th on shield tanks. overall i feel the assault is most efficient for i guess more CQC tank fights as you can dodge rounds and get yours off fast enough to leave a mark or kill the tank, I have done this against many tanks with the assault forge or officer assault forge even on duna.. pretty much they all have different roles and you cant really compare them to each other in all circumstances. I always do not one a L1 aiming thing i like my aiming how it is and a change would irritate me and also its not needed for any reason the aim is perfectly stable once you have your charge. Assault forge gun wouldn't have this which balances it in a way i guess as it has higher dps ect making precision shots more difficult. but yeah as I said before, only small tweaks are needed to be made BUILD MORE FARMS!

Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 420	Posted - 2015.08.15 01:28:00 - [861] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: Why is the Forge Guns reticle so big and square? There's no dispersion on shots and recoil doesn't affect it, so why not just have a smaller circle or a dot? Was it to make it harder to use as an AI weapon? Because that certainly hasn't been the result. I like the reticle. Its like the swarm launcher XD but i think its because what your shooting at is big also the fact that you cant see when a tiny dot it red, personally i like it how it is. BUILD MORE FARMS!
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 441	Posted - 2015.08.15 01:49:00 - [862] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: Honestly i think balancing them all to have the same amount of damage even very similiar damage outputs isnt needed. Never said give them similar damage, just that the base class should hit harder than the Assault, just like the majority of other weapons. Assault should have the highest RoF but be weaker per shot. Fristname Family name wrote: How i see it the breach is only in need of a damage buff slightly the movement isnt a issue for me and never has been, the breach is more used to take down dropships as they are fairly quick and low on hp compared to a tank. the breach has high damage making it a easier kill then the assault along with being able to aim and time your shot. Breach doesn't need a buff to Alpha, it needs a DPS (damage per second) buff. Reducing the charge time keeps it in line with the other Forges and keeps it viable for more than rooftop camps or long range tank sniping. Double for removing the immobilisation, because being the only weapon that locks you in place is stupid. So is having to do the Sentinel Shuffle to move while charging. Fristname Family name wrote: the basic forge gun I feel could use a buff in some ways but if you honestly look at things such as the AR with differnt variants im pretty sure they have damage outputs all over the place. I see the basic forge gun as more anti infantry and LAV kind of, because you have a held charge and can move optimizing your aim and allowing you to hit moving targets easier and faster than the breach along with added strafing capabilities to dodge things and help aim ect. As it is, there's no real reason to take a base over an Assault, since the Assault charges faster and hits harder. You'd only take a base Forge if you wanted to hold a shot. Fristname Family name wrote: pretty much they all have different roles and you cant really compare them to each other in all circumstances. I always do not one a L1 aiming thing i like my aiming how it is and a change would irritate me and also its not needed for any reason the aim is perfectly stable once you have your charge. Assault forge gun wouldn't have this which balances it in a way i guess as it has higher dps ect making precision shots more difficult. but yeah as I said before, only small tweaks are needed to be made There are plenty of others who would like the L1 aim since it would help the weapon. Having hip fire only is ridiculous and makes the weapon no good at longer ranges where a small adjustment is needed, which can currently only be made with a mouse, or for helping to track a moving target where hip fire would over aim. If the L1 precision aim would bother you, don't use it. Not using it would still give you the same aim as current, you'd just have the option to slow your aim and make more controlled adjustments. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.16 14:14:00 - [863] - Quote I posted my AV/V proposal in general discussion. Title is "for peer review." If you haven't had a look please do so. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 445	Posted - 2015.08.16 14:31:00 - [864] - Quote Good to finally see a V/AV discussion that isn't a "I'm right, you're wrong, you're OP because I say so" shouting match. Purifier. First Class.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.08.17 16:48:00 - [865] - Quote Well, it looks like we got ourselves a rep on the Council. Congratulations Breakin Stuff! I am glad to have a Sentinel on the council who understands that if you over buff a class, they will then get nerfed into the ground. Hopefully the reign of Breakin Stuff will be a time of balance and stability for the Sentinel class. ... and maybe he can get us some new toys! I love some of his Heavy weapon suggestions in this document. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Megaman Trigger OSG Planetary Operations 449	Posted - 2015.08.17 18:06:00 - [866] - Quote Between Breakin and Cross, us fatties might see a little love. Purifier. First Class.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.17 18:48:00 - [867] - Quote Respect? Most of the community thinks I'm an a**hole! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 1	Posted - 2015.08.17 18:58:00 - [868] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Respect? Most of the community thinks I'm an a**hole! but now you're an a$$hole AND a CPM. Congratulations!!! Click for an instant good day! (or atleast cheer you up a bit)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.08.17 19:02:00 - [869] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Respect? Most of the community thinks I'm an a**hole! but now you're an a$$hole AND a CPM. Congratulations!!! The CPM the community deserves. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations 5	Posted - 2015.08.18 11:58:00 - [870] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Respect? Most of the community thinks I'm an a**hole! Good cop bad cop? CPM mail me your feedback and remember to have fun!



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