Keep the concept, lose the execution. No jumpy go-go juice; replace with man-portable jet engines. Boom! Fixed.

Clown car? Ever see three 'Quafe' HMG sents climb out of a LAV?

Also, the APEX suits look so fucky I can't even. We needed dropsuits that were faction colors, honestly.

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

The thing about comparing Dust to other games with really high jump mechanics that no one seems to be pointing out is that in other games everyone jumps high, in Dust must people stay on the ground and only a few people in really niche (and poorly fit imo) suits are jumping high. It doesn't draw my immersion away from New Eden at all because of this little distinction. Extreme specializations are extreme.

I kind of disagree with the concept of a piece of equipment.

There is a lot more to lose by having to stacking a lot of Myofibrils than to simply lose an equipment slot for the same capability. IMO, it's well balanced to have shield tankers basically become fragile and armor tankers lose their capability to increase damage. It comes at a major cost to both tanking styles in one way or another. This isn't something that would be the case with equipment.

Literally a bunch of CoD/Battlefield players who want the same mediocre modern shooter just with different skins.

The thing about comparing Dust to other games with really high jump mechanics that no one seems to be pointing out is that in other games everyone jumps high, in Dust must people stay on the ground and only a few people in really niche (and poorly fit imo) suits are jumping high. It doesn't draw my immersion away from New Eden at all because of this little distinction. Extreme specializations are extreme.

Equipment can have drawbacks prebuilt into it; shield/armor regeneration is halted as auxiliary power is directed to the plasma thrusters, for example. Scan profile could also increase when the boosters are activated. There are options to balance equipment.
You figured it out. How did you guess?!

Clown car? Ever see three 'Quafe' HMG sents climb out of a LAV?

Equipment can have drawbacks prebuilt into it; shield/armor regeneration is halted as auxiliary power is directed to the plasma thrusters, for example. Scan profile could also increase when the boosters are activated. There are options to balance equipment.

You figured it out. How did you guess?!

Would have to be some pretty insane drawbacks to take into account the possibility of replacing Blue Bottles with every single high-slot option. Precision Enhancers, Shield REchargers/Energizers, Extenders, Damage Mods.....

Nah. You would just have to give a drawback that would reflect one or two of those modules, we are only talking about one slot here. CCP has a track record of implement something and figure out how to balance it later. We'll just use that model!

^_^

I kind of disagree with the concept of a piece of equipment.

There is a lot more to lose by having to stacking a lot of Myofibrils than to simply lose an equipment slot for the same capability. IMO, it's well balanced to have shield tankers basically become fragile and armor tankers lose their capability to increase damage. It comes at a major cost to both tanking styles in one way or another. This isn't something that would be the case with equipment.

Also, myos are always on. You can't do short hops with them. A piece of equipment would not only require the horrendous equipment wheel, but would also allow you to use short hops. So, overall it would be a major buff, both in slot layout and in functionality. Which makes it hilarious that nerf advocates are in favor of a jump pack.

In fact, a jump pack with a separate cooldown would allow you to pull additional jumps after activating the damn thing, due to stamina not being drained. Unless you want jump packs to drain stamina, which is a point where I'm wondering why you are even arguing about suspension of disbelief.

Also, jump jets would require their own model and animation. And that seems to be a major bottleneck right now, considering the proposals that Rattati made for heavy weapons.

All good is hard, all evil is easy. Dying, losing, cheating, and mediocrity is easy. Stay away from easy.

... I wasn't aware I was playing City of Heroes...

It is not the idea of high jumps in gameplay that bothers me. Tribes and other FPS' have had jumpy combat before and they did fine. Crazy low gravity chaos can be exhilarating and fun! Want to know how I know? Because games like Tribes, CoD: Advanced Warfare, and Borderlands have those mechanics (and typically better mechanics, I might add). Is that the new vision for Dust 514? Mimic others game's gimmicks?

I like it when Dust 514 tries to take itself seriously. Let Borderlands and Team Fortress be the tongue-in-cheek #LOLNOFALLDAMAGE #ROCKETJUMPFTW games, please. Keep Dust gritty, heavy, grounded, and stern.

Sadly, I get the feeling that is no longer the case. As much as CCP Rattati has improved balance his fundamental vision for Dust is a great deal different than mine. It is a vision without New Eden's influences, setting, and tone. Unfortunately, the New Eden setting and tone are what I find appealing in Dust 514. Slowly, I feel this game becoming less and less set in New Eden. The warbarge being handed to us without any effort or cost involved was the first hint. As nice as it is to be able to clean out my assets, the NPC market was the second indicator. Now with the lazily done myofib jumping.

Somehow I think this new vision for Dust 514 is tied to making it easier to market and those generate aurum sales... but that's a topic for another thread.

It is because of this that I think I will take a break from Dust 514. I will not be biomassing, just setting Dust aside and opting not to fund it for the time being. I will probably continue to lurk the forums hoping to see CCP Rattati post about the mylolfly stims being toned down. In the mean time, feel free to add me on Steam if you want to keep in touch: http://steamcommunity.com/id/RipleyRiley/

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An active piece of equipment would have made more sense within the context of the universe. I imagine a piece of man-portable propulsion equipment similar to what is used on ships in Eve. Some players with more background in New Eden lore can help me on this, but aren't Gallente ships powered with plasma thrusters? The Gallente only have one piece of equipment right now so give them this one.

Activate the module and for X seconds (determined by tier) you gain crazy high jumps and falling damage is severly reduced. Holding down the X button in flight could allow you to briefly hover.

"But Ripley they have such a small team in Shanghai! The myofib module is easy to implement and this active module is haaaaaard! " Reminds me of a quote...

If CCP Shanghai can't implement something correctly, like verticality, then they should not roll it out.

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

Logged in to play a few games. Haven't been on since 1.10. The jumping stuff is really gimmicky. Honestly they should have just increased jump height across the board by like 10-20% instead of making a module out of it.

Infantry only Ambush was pretty cool. Sad that it took almost 2 years to finally implement because all my Spambush buddies don't play anymore.

My biggest gripe, and it seems like it's only gotten worse from the last time I played, is the framerate is still absolutely awful. I thinfew rk it's pretty safe to assume that it will never get better at this point. Sad really, I really would like to start streaming again, but I just can't play more than 1-2 games without getting frustrated at how poorly the game runs.

either way current record for assisted jumps is 23ft about. The height were almost jumping (hard to judge considering how tall we are) but at apex of the jump to size of people on level ground looks the same from top of my house roof which is about 30 ft up. I mean if we get nylon and plastic to sling shot us that high. How hard would it be for a 400 years in space civilization to gene therapy from grasshoppers?

Don't forget y'all, myofibs increasing both melee damage AND jump height was a community idea. I forget who said it first -- but you all have to admit -- that guy (or girl) had a good idea because a LOT of people are enjoying the hell out of it.

Maybe we should just let things be for a few weeks and see before we ask the Devs to do anything? It's better to fully test new things out before passing judgement.

Community idea? So was Jim Crow laws and the K.K.K. Your point?


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