I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

CCP Rattati, forget the naysayers, last night I had the most fun in DUST514 that I have had in a long long time. Anyone that knows me knows that for the longest time I have been running scrubby plc dragonfly scout BPO fits. Well last night I blasted about 4-5 million isk on proto jump minmatar logi plasma!

I also am a huge fan of all things New Eden, and I agree that the jump heights are probably not currently working as intended.

That said, the idea of high mobility units is not contrary to the idea of New Eden at all. To offer an EVE parallel, many frigates, especially interceptor class vessels are speed tanked. Speed, and by extension mobility, has always been a valid tanking format in EVE. Translating that to DUST however becomes more complicated as hitting is done more by skill over firing algorithms, and the ability for a player to track a foe with their gun varies wildly from how larger capsuleer ships do so.

3-D mobility is an important aspect to New Eden, and to DUST as it allows those who would be speed tanked to dramatically increase the potential movements they can take to avoid fire, as well as move quickly in unexpected ways to ambush and use that speed as much as an offensive measure as it is defensive.

With more reasonable max jump heights, I see no reason to say the blues break the spirt and vision of New Eden.

That said, I do think the blue drugs should have a drawback, such as decreasing max stamina. (Lore wise: Such powerful biotic enhancements come at the cost of more exertion per motion causing you to run out of strength more quickly.)

CCP Rattati, forget the naysayers, last night I had the most fun in DUST514 that I have had in a long long time.

Anyone that knows me knows that for the longest time I have been running scrubby plc dragonfly scout BPO fits. Well last night I blasted about 4-5 million isk on proto jump minmatar logi plasma!

Seriously the game has issues of course, cough performance, latency etc.. but in terms of fun.... there is a boat load to be had! **** I'm going to log in right now and buy some aurum! **** it!

a lot of strain on our small team.

I still pray that Legion is a thing, or that this game gets the dev team it deserves (essentially just more of what you guys already bring)

I feel that its fundamental vision is in tatters atm.

Its link to EVE is next to non existant.

Its skill tree nothing like what is in EVE, lots of useless skills which offer no bonuses just modules and unlocks.

AV weapons are looking to become omni damage, guess what weapons would be next? thats right infantry so then running shield and armor doesn't matter, just pick your fave suit and gun and go to town.

'Your choices matter' well no they don't when it gets changed on a whim.

EVE motto 'HTFU', DUST514 motto 'QQ until it gets nerfed'

The vision of EVE/DUST corps working together by orbiting a planet and sending down mercs to get control of something to blast a ship in the sky while 10 different platoons are also working on the same planet and can talk and link with each other and swap from district to district to get the job done has long disappeared.

Templar One book does a better job of describing what it should be like but that is a book and it is so much easier to write about it than to actually do it.

I would like to try and say enjoy the game while it lasts but i'm having a hard time of doing that, it isn't the same game that i started to play 3 years ago and there isn't much of the old game left.



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I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

I somehow, despite all evidence to the contrary, still hold out a bit of hope that Eve: Legion is still being developed. It is my sincerest hope that the lead of Eve: Legion has played Eve Online consistently for the last year or so. That kind of knowledge can accurately inform game design and prevent this myofib nonsense from happening.

Borderlands [...] better mechanics

I am a hardcore FPS player and a DUST 514 player, and I do want to bridge the gap between the two.

That said, I don't believe that being in New Eden means being shackled by EVE Online spaceship rules, DUST should be allowed some creative freedom to be what it needs to be.

Player trading IS coming to DUST 514 (barring disaster), the only FPS in the world to do so (if I am not mistaken) which stems directly from our New Eden philosophy, at no AUR sales advantage and a lot of strain on our small team. Same with Planetary Conquest.

I wholeheartedly believe that DUST is an unmatched experience and is getting better all the time. I double-dare you to read Hotfixes Alpha through Echo again if you don't agree.

It is not the idea of high jumps in gameplay that bothers me. Tribes and other FPS' have had jumpy combat before and they did fine. Crazy low gravity chaos can be exhilarating and fun! Want to know how I know? Because games like Tribes, CoD: Advanced Warfare, and Borderlands have those mechanics (and typically better mechanics, I might add). Is that the new vision for Dust 514? Mimic others game's gimmicks?

I like it when Dust 514 tries to take itself seriously. Let Borderlands and Team Fortress be the tongue-in-cheek #LOLNOFALLDAMAGE #ROCKETJUMPFTW games, please. Keep Dust gritty, heavy, grounded, and stern.

Sadly, I get the feeling that is no longer the case. As much as CCP Rattati has improved balance his fundamental vision for Dust is a great deal different than mine. It is a vision without New Eden's influences, setting, and tone. Unfortunately, the New Eden setting and tone are what I find appealing in Dust 514. Slowly, I feel this game becoming less and less set in New Eden. The warbarge being handed to us without any effort or cost involved was the first hint. As nice as it is to be able to clean out my assets, the NPC market was the second indicator. Now with the lazily done myofib jumping.

Somehow I think this new vision for Dust 514 is tied to making it easier to market and those generate aurum sales... but that's a topic for another thread.

It is because of this that I think I will take a break from Dust 514. I will not be biomassing, just setting Dust aside and opting not to fund it for the time being. I will probably continue to lurk the forums hoping to see CCP Rattati post about the mylolfly stims being toned down. In the mean time, feel free to add me on Steam if you want to keep in touch: http://steamcommunity.com/id/RipleyRiley/

Milk salesman, shitposter, scout shooter,
Ripley Riley

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An active piece of equipment would have made more sense within the context of the universe. I imagine a piece of man-portable propulsion equipment similar to what is used on ships in Eve. Some players with more background in New Eden lore can help me on this, but aren't Gallente ships powered with plasma thrusters? The Gallente only have one piece of equipment right now so give them this one.

Activate the module and for X seconds (determined by tier) you gain crazy high jumps and falling damage is severly reduced. Holding down the X button in flight could allow you to briefly hover.

"But Ripley they have such a small team in Shanghai! The myofib module is easy to implement and this active module is haaaaaard! " Reminds me of a quote...

If CCP Shanghai can't implement something correctly, like verticality, then they should not roll it out.

Active modules are completely foreign territory. Equipment is meant to fulfill that role, I think. If this had been a piece of equipment a dropsuit type could even be designed around it. Imagine a new light dropsuit with a bonus to plasma thruster duration and reduction to cooldown time.

So sad.

I guess we should tell games workshop to remove assault marines.

Rip - First: Dude, I thought you had more chops to stick this out.
You unlike the forum trolls seem to understand that these patches are all being worked on, one at a time, so they take time to roll out or come out in small chunks. They had a bad patch, they have had these before (Remember the first Cloaking devices, geeze, my butthurt is still sore from the PCs at that time. I was logi at that time, so real butthurt because we got shotgunned and knifed so badly we made Deliverance look gentle.) It took them 2 months to fully shake that out and we got a decent piece of equipment out of the trade.

Assault marines can be equipped with Jump Packs; not blue gatorade that makes them jump like the aforementioned Goku on methamphetamine.

I do remember the cloaking device roll out. That was done by the old guard. Rattati and Co. was supposed to be better than this. He said he played with the fittings on a devbox. How could he have not seen these moon jumping antics in QA?

I see that the game is being iterated on, Balistyc. It's being improved on, in typical CCP fashion, slowly but surely. My concern is that CCP Rattati is no longer concerned with how his vision for the game fits into New Eden. His attitude has basically been that "Dust is different than Eve because fun is a reason" and that means he gets to discard source material as needed.

The chief reason I'm still interested in this game is because of the New Eden setting. Sure, I like the customization and the ScR gives me a chubby, but I can find similar thing in other games. I can't find a New Eden FPS anywhere else but here... and pretty soon I might not even find it here anymore

I don't believe Rattati overarching plan is to slowly lead us back to the New Eden setting after some patches. In fact, I think the goal is to distance DUST 514 from New Eden as much as possible so as to make the game more approachable and thus more profitable. Dust would probably sell better to the casual market if it were more fluffy and cuddly and "wheee look look I can jump really high mom!".

We live a virtual universe where our conscious mind is actively being recorded, transmitted and upload into empty husk clones in real time, so that the nano second it stops recording from the primary source, a new clone is awoken, to begin the entire process over for all effing eternity.

We have battle tanks that have the most absurdly powerful electromagnetic energy force fields deflecting super dense volitile spheres of metallic elements spun into a plasma state with relative ease.

We have combat knives with an arcing plasma blade to cut through the most sophisticated heavy metal armor platong our fake universe can dream of.

And you believe that over injecting our hyper advanced humanoid bodies with superduper muscle force juice so that our highly actuated combat suits cant jump to incredible heights of whats only 40-50 max when we ourselves stand 9 feet tall?
That last one is shattering the illusion of the new eden you know?


Come on Riley.

We live a virtual universe where our conscious mind is actively being recorded, transmitted and upload into empty husk clones in real time, so that the nano second it stops recording from the primary source, a new clone is awoken, to begin the entire process over for all effing eternity.

We have battle tanks that have the most absurdly powerful electromagnetic energy force fields deflecting super dense volitile spheres of metallic elements spun into a plasma state with relative ease.

We have combat knives with an arcing plasma blade to cut through the most sophisticated heavy metal armor platong our fake universe can dream of.

And you believe that over injecting our hyper advanced humanoid bodies with superduper muscle force juice so that our highly actuated combat suits cant jump to incredible heights of whats only 40-50 max when we ourselves stand 9 feet tall?
That last one is shattering the illusion of the new eden you know?

I guess we should tell games workshop to remove assault marines.

That sounds pretty amazing. Maybe a new line of light dropsuits that get bonuses to jumping and active jump packs when enabled? It would certainly be refreshing to see a new suit type added that takes advantage of verticality as a primary attribute.

Jump Infantry or something?

Suspension of disbelief. All of the things you describe fit snugly into what we have come to recognize as New Eden tech. These new drugs don't fit within some players' scope of New Eden tech. That causes my immersion to break and to say to myself, "This is just silly..." If I intended to play a purposefully silly game this would be fine, but I didn't.

A side note here: if CCP had actually made some kind of lore building statement about why myofibs grant this magical jumping power it might help this bitter pill go down. Something about the 5MCC being a test for our clone's physical limits and that the formula for myfib stims has been altered yada yada yada. It would still be silly and suck, but at least CCP Rattati is trying to make his change fit into the universe. As is, his answer is "It happened because fun is a reason".

After all we don't have a test server.

I really dont think that the premise of "other games do it so you shouldnt" gets you anywhere from a design perspective.

New Edens flavour was never only grim and gritty. More grim and witty I would say. As long as there are no clowns driving tiny cars relax and play! I personally find the color schemes of most apex suits much worse in terms of flavor!

Advance Warfare copied the Cloak from Dust lol.
The Exo suits = they looks similar to Minmatar.
That laser gun they also copied it from Dust.

You want me to say more cause I can.