I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.

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It is very simple, People do not find playing domination properly fun if the other team is much better,
What do you when then other team is much better? Play hard and loose lots of expensive suits?

It is very simple, People do not find playing domination properly fun if the other team is much better,
What do you when then other team is much better? Play hard and loose lots of expensive suits?

Of course I am not gonna waste 20 clones running in like a headles chicken. Yesterday I had a battle where our team lost, I ended 17-10, thats a loss off about 1.7 M isk. Off course, I could always run cheaper stuff if I wasn't loaded with isk.

I'd say no. We played against a squad of third rock the other night and their only objective was the high ground they might have pushed 1 time.. It's because no one cares about winning anymore there is no cost to losing and no benefit to winning so why try when you can pad your stats? It's the lack of incentive, if you win you win if you lose you lose what kind of incentive is that? Not if you win your payout will be x5 or better loot. That'd be a decent incentive but still not great.

You're upset that your 500 million SP proto squad is scaring new players into safe tactics?

That's a shocker.

You reap what you sow

You seem genuinely competitive which is a surprise, most protostompers are trolls that taunt you, I am
not going to give a typical bunch of protostomping a-holes satisfaction by losing lots of ISK.

Well, normally yes.

Of course I am not gonna waste 20 clones running in like a headles chicken. Yesterday I had a battle where our team lost, I ended 17-10, thats a loss off about 1.7 M isk. Off course, I could always run cheaper stuff if I wasn't loaded with isk.

And again, I think the general mentality of this community is really bad, just look at all the replies in this thread:

"Its your fault that people don't organize themselves, play as a team and try to fight back, you should put in less effort so that its fun for the rest of us to play."

So blame the guys playing the game as intended? Not the guys who more or less refuse to play?

So the holy mantra off "Adapt or die" are just some silly words? It should perhaps be:

"When the game gets though, don't even try to win, stay static out of harms reach for the rest of the game"?

Its sad, it really is.

I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.

"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"

...........

Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably...

Dust punishes trying to win and failing.

Pushing hard and dying a lot, translates into losing isk and suits. Loses that will affect your ability to field good gear in incoming matches. So trying hard in this match that you are probably going to lose, means that you will be handicapped for the next games.

This translates into people playing Dust with a very risk averse and conservative attitude, even more than in other games. If people think they are not going to win, they will cut loses and completely cease trying. Yes, some players won't be like that and push for the win no matter what, but most players are not like that.


If you could see people giving up and camping from the redline in MAG, for example, where the only thing at risk was KDR, but every match had not consequence in the next one; how can you not expect to see the same attitude exacerbated in a game where a bad result in a match will not only affect your KDR, but your ability to compete in the next match?


The problem is the game. Dust promotes a very risk averse mentality in a playerbase (fps players) that was really adverse to take risks in the first place. But Dust is like that by design, so I guess, it's working as expected?

Oh, good to see you flyingconejo!! I don't really think it's working as intended, my friend :) People would get bored sooner or later, would reduce their playtime and would eventually quit.

I'd rather see much lower prizes for losing and much higher prizes for winning. This way people would be "forced" to play to win.
Unfortunately, I already see a problem here: people leaving matches based on the enemy team... That's why in my first online shooter, there was a very important statistic: it was the % of matches left.

Wow, I'm not sure if you are trolling, a sociopath or both.

Not placing any specific blame on you Baber, but you should know as well as anyone.

- When one team initially pushes the other off of the point

- No matter who is playing, the first push tends to go to the side who brings the most proto

- Winning team always go on to push the other team back into the redline.

- With the small size of most dom maps (i wish they really hadn't done that) the only way through is going through a barrage of proto suits and vehicles.


the "good fights" tend to happen when both teams are more or less equal. Whether it be two pubstompers on each side, orthe overwhelming majority is in ADV gear. Niether sucessful pushes are very dominant.


I agree with most of your sentiment, that dust have a bad core of players. The kind that only play with a team full of Ak.0s, Ck.0s, Gk.0s, and Mk.0s. regardless of the match, or who they play against. Emphassis on only, because theres a difference in bringin it when you have too, rather than it being the go to move.

I'm talking the players who swear by KD, they tend to be the first to cower in the red with a particle cannon rail or a thales.

Blueberries just suck, and I don't blame them for having a rough time against say, rainbow effect or sver true blood. Blueberries are all idiots. But they don't ruin matches the way vets will.

When someone pushes the other team to the redline it's an invitation for the opposing team to go take the point. Problem is, that takes coordination. It just doesn't work when it's 1 and 2 players running for it at a time.

The sooner people get past the whiny stuff and the pity party perhaps we can expect more from players who can now get the same lifetime SP in two months that took nearly a year before. These aren't new players as much as it's just players who don't feel like the potential ISK is worth the work necessary to earn the win.

People need to stop whining, stop supporting all these excuses that it's okay for so many people to just give up so often in the FPS game we play. If potential rewards to stop being lazy, squading up and trying to actually play the game the way it was intended isn't enough then those players should probably find something else.

This is a first person shooter. The number one goal of the developer should be to have a fun, action packed game. People aren't thinking about all the times that those squads that are so often complained about earn you wins. With more ISK you'd just need to manufacturer some WP to earn a lot more than you used to in wins.

Of course I am not gonna waste 20 clones running in like a headles chicken. Yesterday I had a battle where our team lost, I ended 17-10, thats a loss off about 1.7 M isk. Off course, I could always run cheaper stuff if I wasn't loaded with isk.

When someone pushes the other team to the redline it's an invitation for the opposing team to go take the point. Problem is, that takes coordination. It just doesn't work when it's 1 and 2 players running for it at a time.

The sooner people get past the whiny stuff and the pity party perhaps we can expect more from players who can now get the same lifetime SP in two months that took nearly a year before. These aren't new players as much as it's just players who don't feel like the potential ISK is worth the work necessary to earn the win.

People need to stop whining, stop supporting all these excuses that it's okay for so many people to just give up so often in the FPS game we play. If potential rewards to stop being lazy, squading up and trying to actually play the game the way it was intended isn't enough then those players should probably find something else.

This is a first person shooter. The number one goal of the developer should be to have a fun, action packed game. People aren't thinking about all the times that those squads that are so often complained about earn you wins. With more ISK you'd just need to manufacturer some WP to earn a lot more than you used to in wins.

This is a first person shooter. The number one goal of the developer should be to have a fun, action packed game. People aren't thinking about all the times that those squads that are so often complained about earn you wins. With more ISK you'd just need to manufacturer some WP to earn a lot more than you used to in wins.

Its like youre willfully ignorant. You think everybody has that kind of funding? I average 200K a match in Public. If I were to spend 1.7mil in one match, it would take me 8.5 games just to pay it off. I only have about 65 mil, so thats what....35 games i can afford to go all out in before I bottom out?

You are like a gambler playing at a table with 20 times more money than everyone else. And you just win every hand by raising the pot to the point everyone else has to fold because they dont have enough money to match the bet. Then you complain that people fold instead of trying.

I run a ADV logi doing my best to get my team to the frontlines and support them. I got a suit that can moves slow, has paper thin damage soaking properties and can only do some nice damage if I catch the target completely offguard away from any cover or backup. How do you want me to successfully challenge someone with a proto assault suit that has like 700HP and a Six Kin rifle that kills me before my health bar has even reacted? How do you want me to challenge 6 of them at once?

Like I said, you put people in a impossible situation where the SP, ISK and experience balance is overly stacked.




Yeah yeah, blah blah blah. Effort and squads. You know what happens when you lose in Faction Warfare? You get virtually nothing. When i play FW, i set myself up with cost efficient fits and Apex BPOs, and i dont stop pushing till an MCC explodes. Why? Because its a serious mode.

Public Contracts is the ENTRY LEVEL gamemode. Its supposed to be a place where new players and casual players can work to build their experience, optimize fittings, learn maps, techniques, ect.

So you complaining about people "not trying hard enough" in a entry level game mode is rather comical. Do you walk into McDonalds and complain that they dont try hard enough to serve 5 star platters of food?



Started pc with TP when I only had 5m sp that's a lot tougher than going against 6 proto stompers.. I didn't whine nor did I make excuses but now that top tier corps are gone all the new players feel like they should have it easy and not work for anything.. Matchmaking needs fixed but they need to prioritize bringing dust to next gen whether ps4 or Xbox one idc but it would make a huge difference considering neither system has any decent fps out.

@ Thor

Not about a pity party, i have far less of a reaction to proto these days, because its pretty easy to run. Anbody can run Faction proto in a month. You also have to recgonize that as time got on, dust has only been far more ruthless than when the Uprising first came out, or before then. Perma bad Matchmaking and broken PC payouts only compounded the issue of vets vs the world. Since Kingbaber asked why do blues give up in a specific situation, I broke it down. I'm not going to be "holier than thou" and say i never crushed some poor sniper frontline fit, i do understand why people run proto on occasion. That being said, what reward for winning is worth going 1-15 for? Destiny has much much worse PvP matches than Dust, loads of cheap deaths, no penalties for losing, and marginal rewards for winning, yet you feel as if you have a chance no matter the rank. Dust, takes away that chance, and fewer and fewer people are willing to put themselves through it.

@ Hiemdall

I know about low SP PC, i was in PCs for TUL way back, and Vala Prime always kept an eye out for me to get involved with Dust Core, Acme Special Forces, or ringing a couple times. Yet, running PC with 15 other guys (proto or not) on coms in a skirmish is alot different from encouraging 15 other demoralised blues to do something usefull in a domination or ambush. Not everyone has the heart or the SP to make the enemy team pay dearly for thier win. Players like you are the exception rather than the rule.

TLDR, what i said before was just a breakdown on how a demoralised/ onsided match goes. Only if there is tons of proto on BOTH sides, or almost no proto on either side do i find a really enjoyable match. Otherwise its just a stomp one way or the other.

I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.

"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"

This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.

If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.

The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.



After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?

Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably...

Why would I keep pushing when
I only have 10 mil idk so running in a dying to a proto squad (like yours) that would love to have more targets to shoot at to pad their kdr. I'm not wasting 1mil just to die constantly.
The amount of isk I get for trying and losing will not cover the amount of isk I lose.
****** you for even thinking you have the right to try and punish players that don't want to waste all they have, get frustrated, and quit. You're the problem not us. You don't want a fight, you want to have a constant supply of kills. You're definition "pushing" might as well be get in a single file line so we can kill you over and over again.