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Flyingconejo
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:40:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:
getting swarmed on EU servers by hordes of super laggy 3rd worlders...
KingBabar wrote:Show some respect.
Lets keep the facts straight please, its enough that the petty insults are personal and biased...
xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
Oh, good to see you flyingconejo!! I don't really think it's working as intended, my friend :) People would get bored sooner or later, would reduce their playtime and would eventually quit.
I'd rather see much lower prizes for losing and much higher prizes for winning. This way people would be "forced" to play to win.
Unfortunately, I already see a problem here: people leaving matches based on the enemy team....
Hi white! Stopped playing half a year ago, still lurk the forums now and then. Forums never change, nerf this, op that, complain, complain, complain,....
I don't think that reducing the rewards for the losing team would be a good idea, at least in regards to the OP. I mean, if people stop pushing and play conservatively when they see that they are not going to win, they would play even more conservatively, and even sooner, if they knew that they were not going to get anything after a match, right?
I agree that in this kind of game, you should play to win and ptfo. But I learned a long time ago that the fps community in general does not agree with me, and I have reconciled myself with that fact. If people have fun sniping from the redline, or forge gunning from a rooftop, more power to them.
As long as they don't cheat, who am I to tell them how they should play to have fun? Let them camp from a rooftop to get their fun, I will try to sneak and hack an objective in the back to get my own. Or would, if I still played.
The only way I think you could change the attitude of those players, would be making a game in which you could still have fun even when losing. You could have great, very fun games in MAG even when losing, but in Dust, losing is almost never fun.
But since making a game in which you could have fun when losing would go against this "EVE is a hard and unforgiving place where only the strongest" yadda, yadda bullshit that CCP loves, I don't think this will ever happen.
TL;DR
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Luciene Danko
Mithril Forge
E-R-A
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:47:00 -
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whay CCP should do is just to increase isk rewards on wining matches and let the reward for loss the way it is now...that means if i win i'll get 1 million isk if i lose i gey 200k...that will be a good motivation to try and win...but also if the matchmaking is bad as always because scotty is latenight drunk fellow  it will always result in a win for guys with billions of isk...none of this will help no one..so just need to make pub matches between corps and see if this change  not a big deal its just means that instead of 6 members in squad let 10 or 15 members to join or all 16 in a corp...seems simple to me...anyway its just a game...i have a girlfriend so hoo cares  |
Billi Gene
545
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:04:00 -
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1. CCP reduced the payout disparity for win/loss for a reason....
2. usually i play to win, but then i remind myself that DUST was Supposed to be a sandbox (yeah...lol) so i change the rules. I'll spend entire matches trying to kill the same redberry over and over, or only hack stuff from under their noses without killing anyone, some games i'll spend the entire time just wandering around looking for sniping positions or just clearing out uplinks and nano hives.
You can say what you want about it, but at the end of the day, it's me refusing to play by Your rules that gives me the edge-so all your talk about teams not fighting out of a redlined position means naught, when the match starts and i see the map and which side I am spawning from- I have already decided what kind of game i want to play.
Lifetime SP gives me these options, and I am cogent enough to understand that they are indeed choices.
hopefully you'll see your way to recognising your own...
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
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Proto Annihilator
16 Vandals
373
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:25:00 -
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It's been two years of protostomping in the making. Now a few comments about how it's unsportsmanlike to kill a few photos, however you can, are supposed to lure you into fighting spawn campers. For a worthless objective that they hack before most of us spawn in. It's hilarious and pathetic at the same time. New Eden never fails to dissapoint. |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
460
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:25:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably...
You Sir are a SCRUB!
Let me elaborate... This game is about three things, KDR, ISK and SP. Most of your newfound corpmates are KDR whores.
You yourself are a Protostomper par excellence! All you guys drown in ISK and can run Proto with no real impact on your wallet.
You camp uplinks and hunt down militia suits as if it would show that you are a good player... LOL
You have the impertinence of complaining that the average Dust player can't run at you in proto, and doesn't want to run at you in militia 24/7? You are just a pathetic tryhard and will always be one.
You don't get that it's no fun whatsoever to play against q-synced proto squads in pub games. As long as you don't constantly stomp pub games in Militia/BPO suits, you will have no respect from me, since only then you would show your skill!
You have never been playing against players with waaaayy more SP than you have, since you are one of the original lolvets in this game. You had the chance to grow into this game with nobody way above your SP level. That is a big difference to the average low SP (sub 20 mil SP) guy in this game.
The game doesn't reward pushing for objectives, so why bother, especcially since a lot of top corps value kdr very high instead of W/L ratio. So spoiling your KDR while being a low level player, won't help you being accepted into the lolvet corps you guys are running.
The only thing that will solve your problem, is either you stop being a tryhard, and run low level suits with your q-syncing buddies, or CCP banns high meta gear from pub games. I would prefer the second option, since I know that you lolscrubs will never run anything less than proto in pub games.
Just like in EVE, where you can't run Titans in high sec, it shouldn't be allowed to run proto gear in high sec pub games.
You might say that you guys would still stomp the **** out of everybody, well, that might be the case, but it would be less of a having no chance to even try situation.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
465
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... It's called not giving that much of sh*t about a video game as you so. You sound like you need to train for something important. Mismatched matchmaking leads to instant stomp and no reason to play beyond that. Afk, grab a beer and on to the next. This game is dead, CCP isn't going to make it THAT much better. If that's true then wouldn't you throw yourself in there more? "I don't care, so I'm going to spend a bunch of time half a$$ playing." That doesn't register as something sane in my head.
At forty three years old, two kids, a job and only having bought a console for Skylanders you will understand child.
Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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KingBabar
Negative-Feedback.
2785
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:57:00 -
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@ MAD S
- Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count?
- And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun!
- And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try.
- For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all.
- Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread.
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2934
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:11:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:
- WL/R > KDR. Stopp being so damned obsessed with your KDRs please, its not that important. Is it really that much fun trying to pad your KDR compared to the rush of attacking an objective? Really?
This 1000 times
KingBabar wrote:
- As a MAG Raven vet I came up against stronger teams all the time, especially in the first year of the game, it never stopped me/us from pushing or trying to win. Oh yes, I can remember being stomped badly many times, at least my skills developed and I gradually became a much better player, together with my friends and eventually we could compete against most teams and still keep our heads high, win or lose. (MAG vets will hopefully remember DBD as a mediocre but hard fighting clan.)
Being in Raven was such a punishment for anyone but there was good thing about it: the ATAC.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Dead Man's Game
476
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:12:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:@ MAD S
- Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count?
- And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun!
- And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try.
- For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all.
- Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread.
Yeah and rainbow effect wasnt based on a 3+ kdr
"Doc DDD is better than you" cit. Extacy cravings; "You are only lucky" cit. Takashiro kashuken. Tanker since chromosome
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
463
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:20:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:@ MAD S
- Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count?
- And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun!
- And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try.
- For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all.
- Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread.
You are welcome... lol
My gripe is not purely against you Babar, but against the group of high SP/loads of ISK Players in this game who can afford to run Proto 24/7 without breaking a sweat.
I myself have been an all in player for the longest time in this game (though I don't run proto in pubs usually). I have reduced that in the last 4-7 month because it's not that much fun if you are one of the few who push at all. I still do it when I run in a squad, but if I run solo, I usually spread uplinks in medium to high positions (but only if it's possible to push from said high positions) and often end up protecting said links in a minmando with swarms. I love to run into objectives in a 'Renegade' Minmando just to cause mayhem and take out as much links and damage as much reds to give the blues an incentive to rush an objective.
But I still don't like unbalanced games and Pubs with loads of proto on one side and way less on the ohter or with squads on one side and single players on the other. These are just no fun and there is not much of an incentive to push objectives in those situations.
I think I know where you come from, but I also think you underestimate the wallet that allows you to waste 1-2 mil in a game just to keep the pressure up. The average non PC playing Duster can't do that. I know because I tried, and running proto is no option for me. I only have a steady income since I got my APEX suits, which allow me to stay in a lost game without too much ISK loss. I will however leave a Factional where I see two Q-synced Negative Feedback squads on the other side with no squad on my side. It's just a waste of time in factional, since you don't get the payout if you loose. So as long as there is no punishment for leaving those games early, I'll just do the logical thing and leave you guys to your thing.
I would prefer if the guys who can run Proto all day would be pushed into their own little corner where they could duke it out against each other... Oh wait that corner is called PC, and that's where you guys should go with your shiny suits, so that the average player can have fun in pubs.
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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2015.02.25 13:53:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:
I would prefer if the guys who can run Proto all day would be pushed into their own little corner where they could duke it out against each other... Oh wait that corner is called PC, and that's where you guys should go with your shiny suits, so that the average player can have fun in pubs.
PC in its current state is not optimal for people who want to play with proto 24/7. It is too intermittent and piecemeal, and you cannot spam it randomly.
Ideally there should be enough population to feed scotty, but really there isn't (or scotty is indeed broken). Like i said earlier, try rolling an alt, it doesnt take long to find that every match has [sargent], [Lieutenant] and [General] in them. Some of these are from large Aur purchases, but many are names i've seen around for a long time. Characters with 100,000>WP or 10m>SP* should not be playing against those characters unless they are squadded with vets themselves.
just my opinions i guess, as much as i might want other players to embrace some sort of honorable fair play attitude, I know that I also don't want to limit freedom of choice to play how you want to. If DUST is to grow, however, then something needs to be done to allow new players Time to Grow, and more importantly, Grow at a rate that is encouraging and fun.
*numbers are arbitrary
Pedant, Ape, Troll.
My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
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KingBabar
Negative-Feedback.
2790
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:07:00 -
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@ Horizon:
Thats different, and it used to be 3.5, eventually lowered to 3 and then 2.5.
We were (as far as I know) the only true merc-only corp in Dust. Holding districts or being a part of an alliance was never important for us at all, the highest bidder got our help. We made our isk exclusively ringing for others in PC, When I offer the usual 5 man ringer squad for 15 M isk the customer should expect a certain standard. We did have several players that had a lower KDR, but they were talented and proven mercs.
The amount of forum QQ we got for our pubstomping was nothing but great free advertising for us, it gave us a lot of work. Our biggest contract was for 1.4 B isk....
So not all of us have tons of isk because we have farmed passive isk gain from PC, some of us worked hard for it.
In TRE's case it was always meant to be a small exclusive club, if we were to make a "proper corp" our attitudes and strandards would have been very different.
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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ANGEL06 legion
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
3
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:27:00 -
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Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Babar, don't let Spkr rile you up. Nobody listens to him anyway. 
This is only malicious malware...
You have been warned. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
6119
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:24:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... It's called not giving that much of sh*t about a video game as you so. You sound like you need to train for something important. Mismatched matchmaking leads to instant stomp and no reason to play beyond that. Afk, grab a beer and on to the next. This game is dead, CCP isn't going to make it THAT much better. If that's true then wouldn't you throw yourself in there more? "I don't care, so I'm going to spend a bunch of time half a$$ playing." That doesn't register as something sane in my head. At forty three years old, two kids, a job and only having bought a console for Skylanders you will understand child.
36, married for 12 years, 2 kids
Small Business Owner
But before that I was an infantryman for 7 years, two tours in Iraq. Before that I was a bartender that had one mission, to smash all the boxes on earth. Before that I had the same mission while in college. Before that I had the same mission in HS, mixed in with a couple District Defensive POY honors as a MLB.
Being married with kids doesn't make you a *****.
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
466
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... It's called not giving that much of sh*t about a video game as you so. You sound like you need to train for something important. Mismatched matchmaking leads to instant stomp and no reason to play beyond that. Afk, grab a beer and on to the next. This game is dead, CCP isn't going to make it THAT much better. If that's true then wouldn't you throw yourself in there more? "I don't care, so I'm going to spend a bunch of time half a$$ playing." That doesn't register as something sane in my head. At forty three years old, two kids, a job and only having bought a console for Skylanders you will understand child. 36, married for 12 years, 2 kids Small Business Owner But before that I was an infantryman for 7 years, two tours in Iraq. Before that I was a bartender that had one mission, to smash all the boxes on earth. Before that I had the same mission while in college. Before that I had the same mission in HS, mixed in with a couple District Defensive POY honors as a MLB. Being married with kids doesn't make you a *****.
Then why ask that question? I play for fun. When the fun stops, I go do something else.
Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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emm kay
Direct Action Resources
267
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:38:00 -
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i'm one of the snipers.
it's cheap, easy, and i get ISK either way.
There is a reason you never see me in battle.
it's because I see you first.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
6119
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:47:00 -
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@YAMAH dude
My question was directed at the dude who says he no longer cares. Wouldn't YOLO lead to blowing all your proto and officer stuff and going out in a blaze of glory?
What kind of vag1na decides he's going to Jerry McGuire by sitting in the redline in cheap suits?
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
6119
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:49:00 -
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emm kay wrote:i'm one of the snipers.
it's cheap, easy, and i get ISK either way.
I'd be okay with snipers if you had to determine you were sniping before the match. Then all those dudes didn't count against the number of players in match. Almost like spectator mode.
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
4711
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:25:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... You Sir are a SCRUB! Let me elaborate... This game is about three things, KDR, ISK and SP. Most of your newfound corpmates are KDR whores. You yourself are a Protostomper par excellence! All you guys drown in ISK and can run Proto with no real impact on your wallet. You camp uplinks and hunt down militia suits as if it would show that you are a good player... LOL You have the impertinence of complaining that the average Dust player can't run at you in proto, and doesn't want to run at you in militia 24/7? You are just a pathetic tryhard and will always be one. You don't get that it's no fun whatsoever to play against q-synced proto squads in pub games. As long as you don't constantly stomp pub games in Militia/BPO suits, you will have no respect from me, since only then you would show your "skill"! You have never been playing against players with waaaayy more SP than you have, since you are one of the original lolvets in this game. You had the chance to grow into this game with nobody way above your SP level. That is a big difference to the average low SP (sub 20 mil SP) guy in this game. The game doesn't reward pushing for objectives, so why bother, especcially since a lot of top corps value kdr very high instead of W/L ratio. So spoiling your KDR while being a low level player, won't help you being accepted into the lolvet corps you guys are running. The only thing that will solve your problem, is either you stop being a tryhard, and run low level suits with your q-syncing buddies, or CCP banns high meta gear from pub games. I would prefer the second option, since I know that you lolscrubs will never run anything less than proto in pub games. Just like in EVE, where you can't run Titans in high sec, it shouldn't be allowed to run proto gear in high sec pub games. You might say that you guys would still stomp the **** out of everybody, well, that might be the case, but it would be less of a having no chance to even try situation. Edit: And by the way, since we have those ******** mission objectives, like hack or destroy X installations, I've been running in dom and skirm games just doing that, if the reward was worth it (like keys, bigger batches of components or boosters). Can't be bothered to play the objective if the mission rewards are worth more than the payout of the game...
Just because we're better than you doesn't make us KDR whores.. I use std gear until I see enemy proto or if I know there's proto on the other side. My KDR is based of my Quafe assaults.
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Mad Syringe wrote:KingBabar wrote:@ MAD S
- Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count?
- And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun!
- And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try.
- For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all.
- Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread.
You are welcome... lol My gripe is not purely against you Babar, but against the group of high SP/loads of ISK Players in this game who can afford to run Proto 24/7 without breaking a sweat. I myself have been an all in player for the longest time in this game (though I don't run proto in pubs usually). I have reduced that in the last 4-7 month because it's not that much fun if you are one of the few who push at all. I still do it when I run in a squad, but if I run solo, I usually spread uplinks in medium to high positions (but only if it's possible to push from said high positions) and often end up protecting said links in a minmando with swarms. I love to run into objectives in a 'Renegade' Minmando just to cause mayhem and take out as much links and damage as much reds to give the blues an incentive to rush an objective. But I still don't like unbalanced games and Pubs with loads of proto on one side and way less on the ohter or with squads on one side and single players on the other. These are just no fun and there is not much of an incentive to push objectives in those situations. I think I know where you come from, but I also think you underestimate the wallet that allows you to waste 1-2 mil in a game just to keep the pressure up. The average non PC playing Duster can't do that. I know because I tried, and running proto is no option for me. I only have a steady income since I got my APEX suits, which allow me to stay in a lost game without too much ISK loss. I will however leave a Factional where I see two Q-synced Negative Feedback squads on the other side with no squad on my side. It's just a waste of time in factional, since you don't get the payout if you loose. So as long as there is no punishment for leaving those games early, I'll just do the logical thing and leave you guys to your thing. I would prefer if the guys who can run Proto all day would be pushed into their own little corner where they could duke it out against each other... Oh wait that corner is called PC, and that's where you guys should go with your shiny suits, so that the average player can have fun in pubs.
We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto..
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Mad Syringe
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Heimdallr69 wrote:
We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto..
That's actually something I appreciate... I also appreciate that you guys kick of factional games by deploying two squads for Amarr recently.
I still don't see the point trying to win against two q-synced squads of one of the highest ranking (lifetime sp + PC experience corps in the game). It's just a waste of time...
And I doubt it's a lot of fun for you guys, even if most of you run basic gear.
It would be cool if scotty could put you into a game of at least two squads of the same caliber to make it an even fight.
But to get to that point we need more players to stick to the game, and to get there, they need to have fun in the basic game modes, also knnown as pub games. |
Heimdallr69
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Mad Syringe wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:
We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto..
That's actually something I appreciate... I also appreciate that you guys kick of factional games by deploying two squads for Amarr recently. I still don't see the point trying to win against two q-synced squads of one of the highest ranking (lifetime sp + PC experience corps in the game). It's just a waste of time... And I doubt it's a lot of fun for you guys, even if most of you run basic gear. It would be cool if scotty could put you into a game of at least two squads of the same caliber to make it an even fight. But to get to that point we need more players to stick to the game, and to get there, they need to have fun in the basic game modes, also knnown as pub games.
I understand I just wanted to point out we don't proto qsync.. We usually do caldari/amarr. And supposedly a new game mode is coming out so maybe that'll spice things up.
Most groups qsync min/gal so we try to fight them but sometimes it doesn't work that way.
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Mad Syringe
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:32:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:
We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto..
That's actually something I appreciate... I also appreciate that you guys kick of factional games by deploying two squads for Amarr recently. I still don't see the point trying to win against two q-synced squads of one of the highest ranking (lifetime sp + PC experience corps in the game). It's just a waste of time... And I doubt it's a lot of fun for you guys, even if most of you run basic gear. It would be cool if scotty could put you into a game of at least two squads of the same caliber to make it an even fight. But to get to that point we need more players to stick to the game, and to get there, they need to have fun in the basic game modes, also knnown as pub games. I understand I just wanted to point out we don't proto qsync.. We usually do caldari/amarr. And supposedly a new game mode is coming out so maybe that'll spice things up. Most groups qsync min/gal so we try to fight them but sometimes it doesn't work that way.
That's cool anyway, since FW is supposed to be a all in gamemode where you bring your best and give it all for your faction.
I hope we will get something like a corp battle mode, where the big corps can duke it out against each other without spoiling the fun for the less organized players.
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This is like a fat crocodile complaining about all the little critters and how they don't just run into his jaws. Here I was opening this thread thinking it would be about the ridiculous protostomping, and instead it's a thread complaining about the people getting protostomped. Never change, forums.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:KingBabar wrote:I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows.
"Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!"
This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little.
If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game.
The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick.
After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing?
Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... You Sir are a SCRUB! Let me elaborate... This game is about three things, KDR, ISK and SP. Most of your newfound corpmates are KDR whores. You yourself are a Protostomper par excellence! All you guys drown in ISK and can run Proto with no real impact on your wallet. You camp uplinks and hunt down militia suits as if it would show that you are a good player... LOL You have the impertinence of complaining that the average Dust player can't run at you in proto, and doesn't want to run at you in militia 24/7? You are just a pathetic tryhard and will always be one. You don't get that it's no fun whatsoever to play against q-synced proto squads in pub games. As long as you don't constantly stomp pub games in Militia/BPO suits, you will have no respect from me, since only then you would show your "skill"! You have never been playing against players with waaaayy more SP than you have, since you are one of the original lolvets in this game. You had the chance to grow into this game with nobody way above your SP level. That is a big difference to the average low SP (sub 20 mil SP) guy in this game. The game doesn't reward pushing for objectives, so why bother, especcially since a lot of top corps value kdr very high instead of W/L ratio. So spoiling your KDR while being a low level player, won't help you being accepted into the lolvet corps you guys are running. The only thing that will solve your problem, is either you stop being a tryhard, and run low level suits with your q-syncing buddies, or CCP banns high meta gear from pub games. I would prefer the second option, since I know that you lolscrubs will never run anything less than proto in pub games. Just like in EVE, where you can't run Titans in high sec, it shouldn't be allowed to run proto gear in high sec pub games. You might say that you guys would still stomp the **** out of everybody, well, that might be the case, but it would be less of a having no chance to even try situation. Edit: And by the way, since we have those ******** mission objectives, like hack or destroy X installations, I've been running in dom and skirm games just doing that, if the reward was worth it (like keys, bigger batches of components or boosters). Can't be bothered to play the objective if the mission rewards are worth more than the payout of the game... Just because we're better than you doesn't make us KDR whores.. I use std gear until I see enemy proto or if I know there's proto on the other side. My KDR is based of my Quafe assaults.
Well, that is bullshit. I've seen you running proto against randoms running free suits, you weren't killed so you didn't switch suits. It isn't about the suit though, it is about the mismatch and whether you exacerbate the mismatch or actually try to challenge yourself and make the game playable for others.
Because, that's why.
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