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KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2767	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:20:00 - [1] - Quote I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows. "Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!" This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little. If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game. The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick. After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing? Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4054	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote The pot calling the kettle black. Some have luck, some have money, trading is not a crime. Minmatar omni-merc
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2767	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 653	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:28:00 - [4] - Quote I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it has something to do with large portions of the player base getting stomped continuously, not making enough ISK and finally smartening up. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 570	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:29:00 - [5] - Quote KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? i'll elaborate my pants... 707 "The Mister Rogers of Dust" - nickmunson FOR THE STATE
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Negative-Feedback 342	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:30:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. 0/10 analogy.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 4692	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it has something to do with large portions of the player base getting stomped continuously, not making enough ISK and finally smartening up. I'd say no. We played against a squad of third rock the other night and their only objective was the high ground they might have pushed 1 time.. It's because no one cares about winning anymore there is no cost to losing and no benefit to winning so why try when you can pad your stats? It's the lack of incentive, if you win you win if you lose you lose what kind of incentive is that? Not if you win your payout will be x5 or better loot. That'd be a decent incentive but still not great. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1629	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:35:00 - [8] - Quote Why is there so much bad player behavior in Domination? Average players:"why should I try to win? The reward for winning or losing is almost the same, I don't give a **** about win/lose rateo...Give me a way better reward if I win a match (2x isk and SP or warbarge components or something like that) and you'll see me trying hard to win every match, so far I just want to limit losses." One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6330	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:37:00 - [9] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... I was going to reply seriously, but then I read this.
DUST Fiend 15820	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:37:00 - [10] - Quote You're upset that your 500 million SP proto squad is scaring new players into safe tactics? That's a shocker. My YouTube Templar BPO Set 190M ISK ADS Enthusiast

shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4054	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:40:00 - [11] - Quote KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? Some have luck, some have money, trading is not a crime. Minmatar omni-merc
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 3953	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:50:00 - [12] - Quote What do you expect? Bandwidth killed the game in pubs, if you want links run logi but that is all you are going to run and alot of games barely have any links down because you are restricted due to bandwidth, get any links down and they are quickly scanned and removed. Add in the proto stomping squads ie OP and basically what happens is that the squad stomps as hard as possible from the off, kill any uplinks they find, push them back all the way to the redline and the players just give up. If any remaining players camp a roof and put links down proto stomping squads complain that they are noob and that they will not jump down to get squished, some will just get a DS and eliminate them or just grind out for a warbarge strike and waste them. Either way a combination of proto stomping squads like OP and bandwidth restrictions which means less links means more boring games for you but since you proto stomp i don't really care and frankly you are also the cause of the problem which you are crying about. You reap what you sow
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22267	Posted - 2015.02.23 18:51:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You're upset that your 500 million SP proto squad is scaring new players into safe tactics? That's a shocker. Personal attacks aside this is something that very frequently happens on Domination. No, it is not just 'new players going into safe tactics' when faced with a proto squad. I see this behaviour happening all the time, regardless of whether I'm soloing, playing with/against NPC corps, or in a full proto match, or whatever. Hell, it's the go-to method for some of the squads I've been in. It's depressingly easy to camp Domination with scrub tactics. A comprehensive Gallente guide
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2983	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:01:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2770	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:02:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? That number will be very large indeed. A more interresting question though; How many times have I kept pushing alone losing millions of ISK while the rest of my team camps? The answer is, a lot! Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2770	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:03:00 - [16] - Quote Joel II X wrote: KingBabar wrote: Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... I was going to reply seriously, but then I read this. Sod off, not the entire planet is English speaking or indeed good at it. Get a life. Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1629	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:06:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. I love those players that jump in a thread just to troll the OP without even taking into account what he wrote. Who gives a duck about who is writing what when he is talking about a real problem that everyone can see and that is ruining the game for everyone? Stop shitposting and start being constructive. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2770	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:07:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. You go and find me that post man, its utter BS, I have never said any of the sort. And besides, I have seen you in a full squad multiple times camping in or on the redline with multiple tanks, so yeah, no respect mate, ypu are a part of the problem. Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
KingBabar Negative-Feedback. 2770	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:11:00 - [19] - Quote So according to many of you; People like me, doing all they can (besides d1ck tactics) to win a competitive game is the problem? Really? Its pathetic, it really is. And you all sounds like its just straight out of the academy people doing the camping, no it isn't at all, I see full squads off well established corps doing it all the time.... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22267	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:16:00 - [20] - Quote Babar, don't let Spkr rile you up. Nobody listens to him anyway. A comprehensive Gallente guide

danthrax martin Bad Blueberries 305	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:24:00 - [21] - Quote This thread should have never happened, trolls everywhere.... Suicidal A/V Moron I Support Raiding from Landless Corps 75m+ SP
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4055	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:26:00 - [22] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. I love those players that jump in a thread just to troll the OP without even taking into account what he wrote. Who gives a duck about who is writing what when he is talking about a real problem that everyone can see and that is ruining the game for everyone? Stop shitposting and start being constructive. Pingu qua +¿ il bue che dice cornuto all'asino, il kebabbaro predica bene e razzola male. Se lui +¿ tanto figo perch+¿ non crea un nuovo pg senza isk e gioca in solitaria? Sarei curioso di vedere cosa combina. Some have luck, some have money, trading is not a crime. Minmatar omni-merc
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9664	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:33:00 - [23] - Quote I was going to comment but this thread is not even about the topic any more. Regardless of that I will still try. There's not one simple solution to fixing bad player behavior because in the end, most DUST players are incredibly stupid and you can't fix stupid. Secondly, the Risk Vs. Reward is completely off in this game and the previous commented was right. You receive the same amount of ISK whether you win or lose. It should seem like there should be a based pay (for winning) on top of what you make by WP. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
castba Rogue Instincts 775	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:55:00 - [24] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it has something to do with large portions of the player base getting stomped continuously, not making enough ISK and finally smartening up. I'd say no. We played against a squad of third rock the other night and their only objective was the high ground they might have pushed 1 time.. It's because no one cares about winning anymore there is no cost to losing and no benefit to winning so why try when you can pad your stats? It's the lack of incentive, if you win you win if you lose you lose what kind of incentive is that? Not if you win your payout will be x5 or better loot. That'd be a decent incentive but still not great. This. 1. Greater incentive for winning is needed as most in this thread have already stated. 2. Remove the k/d ratio stat and replace it with more detailed "per battle" stat (kills, primary & secondary hacks, Hp healed, etc). "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2984	Posted - 2015.02.23 19:58:00 - [25] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. I love those players that jump in a thread just to troll the OP without even taking into account what he wrote. Who gives a duck about who is writing what when he is talking about a real problem that everyone can see and that is ruining the game for everyone? Stop shitposting and start being constructive. I use basic gear and don't care about going hard every match. There's one domination map where I always try hard, and that's it. Other than that, I could use BPO gear and not care. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2984	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:00:00 - [26] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Can you elaborate mr smarty pants? How many times have you hacked the main objective personally? Without any cover at your own risk? He made a thread a while ago saying he was going to biomass because they were nerf-hammering the fused locus grenade. Took away its homing capability, reduced the damage and the amount carried from 3 to 1. Then I killed him in a PC match with a blaster, and knew he had lied. You go and find me that post man, its utter BS, I have never said any of the sort. And besides, I have seen you in a full squad multiple times camping in or on the redline with multiple tanks, so yeah, no respect mate, ypu are a part of the problem. Nice selective memory. That you're saying that proves what I said to be true. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 998	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:02:00 - [27] - Quote It's simple: Dust rewards winning, not trying.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2984	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:04:00 - [28] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: It's simple: Dust rewards winning, not trying. Trying to win. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 277	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:05:00 - [29] - Quote The answer is simple games end up like that in dom because uplinks can't damp. You get within 100 meters of the point the entire red team knows your position. Drop an uplink everyone on the other team sees its position with a quick scan, before a squad can even spawn. The game turns into managing KDR and isk loss for the loosing side, and padding KDR for the winning team. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
DUST Fiend 15822	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:09:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You're upset that your 500 million SP proto squad is scaring new players into safe tactics? That's a shocker. Personal attacks aside this is something that very frequently happens on Domination. No, it is not just 'new players going into safe tactics' when faced with a proto squad. I see this behaviour happening all the time, regardless of whether I'm soloing, playing with/against NPC corps, or in a full proto match, or whatever. Hell, it's the go-to method for some of the squads I've been in. It's depressingly easy to camp Domination with scrub tactics. How exactly does one NOT camp in a single point map? My YouTube Templar BPO Set 190M ISK ADS Enthusiast



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