Dom matches aren't won and lost at the top of the leaderboard, they are determined at the bottom. You see a whole lot of 0-12 and your answer to the problem is to punish those players more.

Is it really fun for you to run a PC A team in full proto gear and all go 20-0, while camping on the redline and running in and killing them so only the furthest poibts have any safety?

This is THE problem, and trying to punish behavior that is a reaction to it won't improve the game experience for anyone.

I'm always on the ground, being on a rooftop is boring, I may. MAY... spawn on a roof to drop ammo for campers, but then I'm right off to getting back in the mix. I may not rush right in to get shot up, skirting the outside of the fray to drop links or pick off strays. Camping a roof isnt viable, but burning clones like fossil fuel isn't any more so. It may make the match go faster towards that inevitable loss, but hey... maybe we can bore them to death. I also don't hack the point if there isn't organization on my team, it just prolongs the butt plugging.

Wow, I'm not sure if you are trolling, a sociopath or both.

Not placing any specific blame on you Baber, but you should know as well as anyone.

- When one team initially pushes the other off of the point

- No matter who is playing, the first push tends to go to the side who brings the most proto

- Winning team always go on to push the other team back into the redline.

- With the small size of most dom maps (i wish they really hadn't done that) the only way through is going through a barrage of proto suits and vehicles.


the "good fights" tend to happen when both teams are more or less equal. Whether it be two pubstompers on each side, orthe overwhelming majority is in ADV gear. Niether sucessful pushes are very dominant.


I agree with most of your sentiment, that dust have a bad core of players. The kind that only play with a team full of Ak.0s, Ck.0s, Gk.0s, and Mk.0s. regardless of the match, or who they play against. Emphassis on only, because theres a difference in bringin it when you have too, rather than it being the go to move.

I'm talking the players who swear by KD, they tend to be the first to cower in the red with a particle cannon rail or a thales.

Blueberries just suck, and I don't blame them for having a rough time against say, rainbow effect or sver true blood. Blueberries are all idiots. But they don't ruin matches the way vets will.

Its like youre willfully ignorant. You think everybody has that kind of funding? I average 200K a match in Public. If I were to spend 1.7mil in one match, it would take me 8.5 games just to pay it off. I only have about 65 mil, so thats what....35 games i can afford to go all out in before I bottom out?

You are like a gambler playing at a table with 20 times more money than everyone else. And you just win every hand by raising the pot to the point everyone else has to fold because they dont have enough money to match the bet. Then you complain that people fold instead of trying.

I run a ADV logi doing my best to get my team to the frontlines and support them. I got a suit that can moves slow, has paper thin damage soaking properties and can only do some nice damage if I catch the target completely offguard away from any cover or backup. How do you want me to successfully challenge someone with a proto assault suit that has like 700HP and a Six Kin rifle that kills me before my health bar has even reacted? How do you want me to challenge 6 of them at once?

Like I said, you put people in a impossible situation where the SP, ISK and experience balance is overly stacked.




Yeah yeah, blah blah blah. Effort and squads. You know what happens when you lose in Faction Warfare? You get virtually nothing. When i play FW, i set myself up with cost efficient fits and Apex BPOs, and i dont stop pushing till an MCC explodes. Why? Because its a serious mode.

Public Contracts is the ENTRY LEVEL gamemode. Its supposed to be a place where new players and casual players can work to build their experience, optimize fittings, learn maps, techniques, ect.

So you complaining about people "not trying hard enough" in a entry level game mode is rather comical. Do you walk into McDonalds and complain that they dont try hard enough to serve 5 star platters of food?



Started pc with TP when I only had 5m sp that's a lot tougher than going against 6 proto stompers.. I didn't whine nor did I make excuses but now that top tier corps are gone all the new players feel like they should have it easy and not work for anything.. Matchmaking needs fixed but they need to prioritize bringing dust to next gen whether ps4 or Xbox one idc but it would make a huge difference considering neither system has any decent fps out.

@ Thor

Not about a pity party, i have far less of a reaction to proto these days, because its pretty easy to run. Anbody can run Faction proto in a month. You also have to recgonize that as time got on, dust has only been far more ruthless than when the Uprising first came out, or before then. Perma bad Matchmaking and broken PC payouts only compounded the issue of vets vs the world. Since Kingbaber asked why do blues give up in a specific situation, I broke it down. I'm not going to be "holier than thou" and say i never crushed some poor sniper frontline fit, i do understand why people run proto on occasion. That being said, what reward for winning is worth going 1-15 for? Destiny has much much worse PvP matches than Dust, loads of cheap deaths, no penalties for losing, and marginal rewards for winning, yet you feel as if you have a chance no matter the rank. Dust, takes away that chance, and fewer and fewer people are willing to put themselves through it.

@ Hiemdall

I know about low SP PC, i was in PCs for TUL way back, and Vala Prime always kept an eye out for me to get involved with Dust Core, Acme Special Forces, or ringing a couple times. Yet, running PC with 15 other guys (proto or not) on coms in a skirmish is alot different from encouraging 15 other demoralised blues to do something usefull in a domination or ambush. Not everyone has the heart or the SP to make the enemy team pay dearly for thier win. Players like you are the exception rather than the rule.

TLDR, what i said before was just a breakdown on how a demoralised/ onsided match goes. Only if there is tons of proto on BOTH sides, or almost no proto on either side do i find a really enjoyable match. Otherwise its just a stomp one way or the other.

Why would I keep pushing when
I only have 10 mil idk so running in a dying to a proto squad (like yours) that would love to have more targets to shoot at to pad their kdr. I'm not wasting 1mil just to die constantly.
The amount of isk I get for trying and losing will not cover the amount of isk I lose.
****** you for even thinking you have the right to try and punish players that don't want to waste all they have, get frustrated, and quit. You're the problem not us. You don't want a fight, you want to have a constant supply of kills. You're definition "pushing" might as well be get in a single file line so we can kill you over and over again.

Increasing this isk payout would benefit you more than me... I'm sitting on 200m and I've spent over 2B on corps. I won't run out of isk but new players will so I don't see why you guys are against a ISK payout increase.. I even posted a thread for it in the features area..Dom and skirms need a x2 of its curent payout, you get just as much in a bush and you can do 2-3 bush's before one Dom/skirm is over.. The winning side should get a x4-5 isk payout and increase salvage. Right now that's the best fix for lack of incentive to win but hey if you got ideas go post them in my thread so CCP can have your feedback too..

It's called not giving that much of sh*t about a video game as you so. You sound like you need to train for something important. Mismatched matchmaking leads to instant stomp and no reason to play beyond that. Afk, grab a beer and on to the next. This game is dead, CCP isn't going to make it THAT much better.

At forty three years old, two kids, a job and only having bought a console for Skylanders you will understand child.

i'm one of the snipers.
it's cheap, easy, and i get ISK either way.