Why would I keep pushing when
I only have 10 mil idk so running in a dying to a proto squad (like yours) that would love to have more targets to shoot at to pad their kdr. I'm not wasting 1mil just to die constantly.
The amount of isk I get for trying and losing will not cover the amount of isk I lose.
****** you for even thinking you have the right to try and punish players that don't want to waste all they have, get frustrated, and quit. You're the problem not us. You don't want a fight, you want to have a constant supply of kills. You're definition "pushing" might as well be get in a single file line so we can kill you over and over again.

Increasing this isk payout would benefit you more than me... I'm sitting on 200m and I've spent over 2B on corps. I won't run out of isk but new players will so I don't see why you guys are against a ISK payout increase.. I even posted a thread for it in the features area..Dom and skirms need a x2 of its curent payout, you get just as much in a bush and you can do 2-3 bush's before one Dom/skirm is over.. The winning side should get a x4-5 isk payout and increase salvage. Right now that's the best fix for lack of incentive to win but hey if you got ideas go post them in my thread so CCP can have your feedback too..

It's called not giving that much of sh*t about a video game as you so. You sound like you need to train for something important. Mismatched matchmaking leads to instant stomp and no reason to play beyond that. Afk, grab a beer and on to the next. This game is dead, CCP isn't going to make it THAT much better.

If that is true then what do they need to do?

It's going to take about an hour of playing to come to the realization that it wasn't gear that led to the vicious stompings when the tiered matches come out. Then what will the excuse be?

My point is that players need to stop blaming the players that actually play the game with the tools at their disposal instead of wanting to coddle the ones who refuse to use all of them. If people are having bad experiences solo and refuse to squad up, then that's a look in the mirror problem.

I used to tell newer players that we Murder Taxi Drivers and people of the like that they are only lengthening the amount of "scrub" time in their career. They aren't getting better, not learning the nuances of the game, not learning how to work with others the eliminate enemy players, etc. The sooner we stop getting the violin out for people having a bad experience running alone toward 16 enemy players, the sooner we can try to come up with solutions for actual problems.

Unfortunately CCP hasn't done anything to make FW appealing enough to pull the good players from public matches. They aren't going to be doing that for some time. PC is not persistent enough to fill one's schedule as the PC prime times are pretty fixed. Where are the good players supposed to go?

I bet it sounds good discounting public matches as entry level because you want it to be true, but it's what we've got to play. Most of the FW matches are even more boring than public matches

My point is that players need to stop blaming the players that actually play the game with the tools at their disposal instead of wanting to coddle the ones who refuse to use all of them. If people are having bad experiences solo and refuse to squad up, then that's a look in the mirror problem.
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What about when you've made that sacrifice and some jack wagon has put uplinks on every tower and roof on the map? All this so this jack wagon can get WP when the guys who are trying are jumping down to their quick slaughter. The high uplink guys are the most despicable players in Dust in my opinion.

If that's true then wouldn't you throw yourself in there more?

"I don't care, so I'm going to spend a bunch of time half a$$ playing." That doesn't register as something sane in my head.

It's not a cerebral response it's an emotional and (rarely) an economic response. I have found most players in this game to be cowards. It's true. Ccp designed the game with loss involved, to a lot of people that creates cowardice in them because they lack the mental fortitude to play with intent. In short the game plays them.

I have found a few who truly listen to their teammates to help them and who have a disposition suitable to the sadist reward of slaughter and the masochistic f*** fest that is this game under lag conditions.

- And lastly, a question: If winning doesn't concern you at all, why even play the game? Why not find a more friendly and cozy game? I dunno the name but I've seen my mom play some games on Facebook, they look really friendly....

the only objective there is, is to win the game, there is absolutely nothing else.

I thought the point of video games was fun... Have I been playing games wrong my whole life?!



PS. Winning can be fun, but it isn't why I play games.

0/10 analogy.

The flaccid pnis calling the boner d!ck.

You kiss your mother with that mouth?

I'd rather see much lower prizes for losing and much higher prizes for winning. This way people would be "forced" to play to win.
Unfortunately, I already see a problem here: people leaving matches based on the enemy team... That's why in my first online shooter, there was a very important statistic: it was the % of matches left.

The loose 'goal' of the game is to win the over-arching match, but there are personal motivations behind each person. Some play to win at all costs, some are more reserved. Some are loyal only to their corporations, alliance, or friends.

p.s. I won't sacrifice my tank for a blueberry

Well, normally yes.

Of course I am not gonna waste 20 clones running in like a headles chicken. Yesterday I had a battle where our team lost, I ended 17-10, thats a loss off about 1.7 M isk. Off course, I could always run cheaper stuff if I wasn't loaded with isk.

And again, I think the general mentality of this community is really bad, just look at all the replies in this thread:

"Its your fault that people don't organize themselves, play as a team and try to fight back, you should put in less effort so that its fun for the rest of us to play."

So blame the guys playing the game as intended? Not the guys who more or less refuse to play?

So the holy mantra off "Adapt or die" are just some silly words? It should perhaps be:

"When the game gets though, don't even try to win, stay static out of harms reach for the rest of the game"?

Its sad, it really is.

Yes.

You get butthurt over toilet humour with that face?.

basically this





here's a little test for you proto stompers:

make a new character.
do not tell your corp or any chat channels about it, do not identify yourself to someone you might know ie: telling them your main.
blaze your way thru academy, no cheating like quitting matches to prolong newberry agony.
join up with the main community and roll into some pubs solo or with a random group from the squad finder.

Now you might think that given what you know about the mechanics, that you will do well regardless.

but inevitably you will run into bad matchmaking and get proto stomped. Your new character can run militia gear of almost all kinds, but ultimately SP will go into places to either specialise or increase QoL or survival. You'll find kills harder to get and living temporary. Specialisation will net better results but only in situations that favor your chosen specialisation, without a large lifetime SP total your newberry merc will lack the ability to respond to 90% of what is thrown at them, and will continue to live that way until around 27+ million, and even then will have holes in their SP build.

If you try to run anything over 15k you'll start running losses, unless you play it safe of course, perhaps its time to start redline sniping to slowly crawl out of that hole so kindly provided to you via the Pub Stomping Proto's of the community?


I reserve the right to my opinion that Pub Stomping is a large factor in the lack of new player retention, leading to skewed matchmaking further exasperating the situation for newberries.
but hey, you should get on the forums call em out for not living up to your bitter vet standards!


PS: I play with random newberries at least once a week, people with less than 15m SP, what you are griping about is the only way they can cope with the game, and even for them it isnt much fun when it happens. I see "I remember..." threads on the forums, yet no one ever remembers that once upon a time most of the corps didnt advocate redlining (because its boring), and alot of players would hack a CPU or shoot an Uplink rather than watch blueberries spawn camp.

I remember those days :P.... or maybe that was just Oceanic server :P

GÇóking babar has left the battleGÇó oh sorry wrong thread. Start play with a squad in which you are the one with the high amount of Sp and there are guys that have 20 milion Sp, try to not pubstomp and rage quit PC maybe after that i will consider what you say as you are killing the game playng proto every match and then you complain about noobs that stay in the redline, GIT GUD

Lets keep the facts straight please, its enough that the petty insults are personal and biased...

They do not understand your unusual perspective, Normal people do not get the "rush" competition brings
when they have better gear, whereas you see bringing the best gear as part of the competition.