BRB, writing a new fanfic.

I'll call it...

Fifty Shades of Gunnlogi

Real quick Breaking Stuff, what heavy suit do you forge with?

126 hp/s regen vs 305 regen and 4.5k armor, regens when shot at.
shields don't regen under fire and don't have NOS.

Or 167 hp/s armor regen with 2 armor plates.
maddy will always win a blaster fight.


Your edit: I was commenting on HAV's in general,

I'll post some thoughts when I get home and can look at the numbers.

However,

* Hardeners Nerf - if only one can be used then go back to old 60%/40% shield/armor otherwise you see tanks for about 3 seconds as it drives past you to the redline, if it comes out of the redline at all. TTK will be far too low.

ie: every fit will stack extenders or plates ( cookie cutter ) with shield repair delay being worse than immediate armor rep, the age of the nitro armor (300ish immediate reps / second ) being the only vehicle more than 100m out of the redline is upon us.

Shield tanks will be stuck keeping within 5 seconds of cover in the redline and every infantry AV player will be screaming for nerfs. Armor tanks will be able to at least rep behind cover for a few seconds and fit a nitro in a non-tank slot. Just like infantry, shield tanks will rely on cover, the best of whichwill be the rredline.

If fits will be limited to one hardener, shields will be doing a lot less 'tanking' for that 24 seconds.

Well, it makes sense that the Gallente would be better at using their own weapons in the close quarters combat, and Caldari would falter using the enemy turret in a range Caldari are not designed for.


Regardless, I have serious concerns with regen rates in general. I think keeping the status quo where passive regeneration being the primary means of tanking, is going to self destruct in terms of design. Tanks really should have more HP, less regen, and move a bit slower if unmodded.

No regen......relying on the now crappy regen is bad, you will lose tank fights if you fit a blaster vs a armor tank. Especially since blasters will be buffed I think.

Caldari and amarr are the cqc ones, having the most hp...

I expect a proposal from Dropship pilots for additional PG/CPU or EHP to make up for any such knock-on effects.

For Upgrade mods these are numbers I was thinking of. Don't panic too much but they will be much more difficult to use as the current ones are terrible.

PG GainCPU Cost
5%35
12%100
20%190

CPU GainPG Cost
7%150
10%220
15%400

Armor Hardeners can be upgraded if I get any simple proposals. What do they need to do to be "fittable" by expert pilots.

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1134/6066

same thing i run now as my anti tank fit... except more eHP than before lol and STILL proto turrets

6655 raw shields plus complex hardener and triple proto rails. since shield boosters are broken.

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http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1134/11806

my anti infantry tank. by downgrading the cpu mod to a basic cpu, you can swap out the proto rails from the previous fit to proto blasters.

Quick feedback:
- If shield hardeners are a problem, reduce their effectiveness while increasing uptime. Basically make them more "armor hardener"-like. Those aren't a problem, thus we can avoid a heavy-handed mechanic like a one-module-per-fit restriction.
- If those are going to be the new PG-modules I see two ways of going ahead:
a) Increase each DS's (all 6 of them) fitting resources by two complex PG extenders worth of CPU. This is the easier option.
b) Increase each DS's (all 6 of them) fitting resources by one-to-two complex PG extenders worth of PG and create some sort of useful low-slot shield modules and high-slot armor modules.
- Before I'm going to do any theory-crafting on future dropships I will wait for final numbers on large turrets. Dropship balancing, to me, very much comes down to how many damage amped pro railgun shots it can tank in relation to how many shots a pro railgun can deliver before overheating.
As far as I can see - after a few minutes of reading this thread - a (N)DS will need to tank over 10k hp of raildamage in one go to be useful.

Caldari aren't the CQC ones.

How are you guys generating a share link for the fits? I can't see the option on proto fits.

So I have a gunnlogi fit that has 6175 Shields but only 900 armor.

with the hardener active it has 9509 shield EHP. vs railgun profiles without including the armor

against plasma profiles it has 7780 EHP without the armor.

Gladius

3x complex heavy extenders
Complex shield hardener
Complex Rail damage mod
Prototype Rail Gun
2x STD small rails
Complex CPU mod
Complex PG mod.

Estimated shots to break shields from a triple-modded IAFG: 6.25 shots to break the shields alone. Since Forge guns are single shot alpha we have to round this up to a 7 shot TTK

Very not bad survivability.

Fittings, detailed option, click share, copy the link below the name of the fitting.

They have more hp than minmatar, they just can't regen, but blasters should be viable on shields, like a RR is on armor suits.

Caldari and amarr are the cqc ones, having the most hp...

A blaster madrugar will tear a blaster gunni a new *sshole from the looks of this. Madrugar if you fit a pair of complex 120s, a hardener and a rep, you may only be able to fit a fuel injector up top but DAMN that thing will eat shields.

shield tanks aren't going to become less hard to kill from what I'm seeing here.

shield tanks aren't going to become less hard to kill from what I'm seeing here.

It seems like a pretty opportune time to address Shield Booster mechanics actually, if they worked at all how they were intended to work (ie. if they weren't interruptable during the boosting process) then I think Shield Tanks would be in a much more competitive position. Before they were able to mitigate the problems revolving around Shield Boosters because their fits were comparatively ridiculous, that's no longer the case.

Shield tanks will be 100% easier to kill.

Shield reps nerfed

Shield damage unable to be mitigated by alternating hardeners or activating more than one.

Shield EHP nerfed per engagement.

How have shields not been nerfed?

welp, lemme see. two builds side by side:

Madrugar 2 complex plate, complex hardener Doesn't take into account any reps: looks like 5 shots to kill from an IAFG. so requires a reload unless experimental or officer, assuming no misses. With a Plasma Cannon (opposite profile, similar damage) it'll take 7 Verdict: Buffed.

Gunnlogi with 3 complex extenders and hardener: Plasma cannon will kill it in 5 shots. IAFG will kill it in 7. this isn't including the capacity for a LSB, which could change both TTKs. Verdict: roughly status quo.