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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 903	Posted - 2015.03.05 03:15:00 - [691] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Tanks were fine during Chrome. CCP Rattati wrote: Now go forth and fit them and demonstrate why we should, or should not make changes. Please post ProtoFit links whenever possible! You're only two years late on Chrome feedback. Nostalgia isn't a reason for rattati to make changes to tank stats. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3039	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:17:00 - [692] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Tanks were fine during Chrome. CCP Rattati wrote: Now go forth and fit them and demonstrate why we should, or should not make changes. Please post ProtoFit links whenever possible! You're only two years late on Chrome feedback. Nostalgia isn't a reason for rattati to make changes to tank stats. It's not nostalgia. It simply worked. Tanks beat the hell out of tanks. That's working as intended, not these pocket asteroids infantry carry around with them. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3039	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:18:00 - [693] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Tanks were fine during Chrome. Not really, seeing as Rails 3 shotted them. Oh wait, I forgot, you're fine with shitting damage. When have I said I want the Chrome turret damage back? I've repeatedly said that the Chrome hulls with Uprising 1.0 turret damage would be the best conglomeration. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17886	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:25:00 - [694] - Quote No single hardener rule No PG/CPU upgrade debuff stay posted "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Alena Ventrallis Intara Direct Action Caldari State 2579	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:29:00 - [695] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: No PG/CPU upgrade debuff Huh? An upgrade debuff? Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3039	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:37:00 - [696] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: No single hardener rule No PG/CPU upgrade debuff (increased fitting costs as previously discussed) stay posted Good news everyone. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3040	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:40:00 - [697] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No PG/CPU upgrade debuff Huh? An upgrade debuff? Hopefully it means they won't cost a ton the other way. They basically nullify each other, making them both useless: you need PG for something, so you add a mod, but you lose too much CPU so you add one of those mods, putting you back at square one with not enough CPU or PG. At least that's what I hope it means. I just hope they won't get nerfed due to the fits we've been making. Something like this will probably get the modules, hull and fitting costs nerfsmashed through the planet. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17889	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:43:00 - [698] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No PG/CPU upgrade debuff Huh? An upgrade debuff? Hopefully it means they won't cost a ton the other way. They basically nullify each other, making them both useless: you need PG for something, so you add a mod, but you lose too much CPU so you add one of those mods, putting you back at square one with not enough CPU or PG. At least that's what I hope it means. I just hope they won't get nerfed due to the fits we've been making. Something like this will probably get the modules, hull and fitting costs nerfsmashed through the planet. I hope they won't be "abused" so that one hull becomes much better than the other. That's why I wanted to give them fitting cost of the opposite capacity. Let's see what happens with the new hulls. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4660	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:49:00 - [699] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: No single hardener rule No PG/CPU upgrade debuff (increased fitting costs as previously discussed) stay posted Yeah I think the PG/CPU debuff would have made things go a bit sideways for Dropships. The single hardner rule didn't seem that terrible. A steep stacking penalty would make sense though I guess. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3040	Posted - 2015.03.05 06:15:00 - [700] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: No PG/CPU upgrade debuff Huh? An upgrade debuff? Hopefully it means they won't cost a ton the other way. They basically nullify each other, making them both useless: you need PG for something, so you add a mod, but you lose too much CPU so you add one of those mods, putting you back at square one with not enough CPU or PG. At least that's what I hope it means. I just hope they won't get nerfed due to the fits we've been making. Something like this will probably get the modules, hull and fitting costs nerfsmashed through the planet. I hope they won't be "abused" so that one hull becomes much better than the other. That's why I wanted to give them fitting cost of the opposite capacity. Let's see what happens with the new hulls. Abused in what way? Fitting them in such a way that when combined with experience, they become shockingly hard to kill? That's not abusing anything. We found fits that worked and used them, sometimes experimenting to find something that will work, other times for fun. All that needs to be done is buff armor to the level shield is at, really. Nothing needs to be nerfed, including the CPU and PG fitting cost. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17896	Posted - 2015.03.05 06:16:00 - [701] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Abused in what way? Fitting them in such a way that when combined with experience, they become shockingly hard to kill? exactly "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5197	Posted - 2015.03.05 07:19:00 - [702] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: No single hardener rule No PG/CPU upgrade debuff (increased fitting costs as previously discussed) stay posted Good to hear. I think hardeners on both sides need to be tweaked a bit to get them working properly. Looking forward to your thoughts in general. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7523	Posted - 2015.03.05 08:55:00 - [703] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: No single hardener rule No PG/CPU upgrade debuff (increased fitting costs as previously discussed) stay posted Excuse me while I applaud. AV

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17943	Posted - 2015.03.05 09:55:00 - [704] - Quote I am closing this thread, and we can create a new one once new HAVs are in the game. Thanks everyone, I believe we collectively did a great job, and just look at what changes did and did not go through, just because of your fact-supported opinions. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"



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