Just wanted to comment on this; to what point in time are you referring?

If I remember correctly the best Scattered Ion Madrugar fitting in Uprising had two PG modules.

Lol what!? When, I've must have missed that fitting?

Although to the previous post, that's why I want Power diagnostic units to come back so badly. Shield vehicles are suffering from the same issue armor dropsuits have. Lack of diverse modules in the opposite slot.

Besides armor modules what modules do shields have? Ammo increase, and PG/CPU enhancers....

#BringbackPDUs

Also damage control units for low slots....

Any chance we can get the Protofit Bros to put your Vehicle Shield Regulators in there? I feel like I cant properly review the Gunnlogi until I can see them in there.

Please do not buff AV until after the tanks are out. Madrugars.and Gunnlogis costing half a mil already get outclassed when up against two AV if they are any good and coordinated. A proto tank costing millions should be worth such an isk investment.

This is both directed towards rattati and Pokey, where do the Assault dropships fit into this? Are they going to have the same modifications as tanks, in regards to shield/armor reps?

Could we see dropships being given the same treatment as tanks? the ADS is listed as advanced, perhaps we can have pro dropships as well with an slightly improved slot layout? Perhaps 5-1 version of the Python and a 2-3 version of the incubus
3-2 Minmatar and a 1-5 Amarr? Paint over the skins, use the tank fitting template downgraded for dropships?


On shields: Pythons that don't use a shield booster rely on high regen to get them back into the action.

Incubi could use high burst regen sure, yet after giving it some though i'm not sure that only a 5% increase to armor hardeners may be suffecient. Moslty because minandos have 10+ prof 5 15% damage bonus before damage mods, I have some doubts that a 5% damage resistance really going to be enough as a defensive measure. I know its not meant to completley nullify incoming damage, but since fitting a hardener means droping hp, its a question of can i tank shots better with a brick or better with a hardener? Can that 5% make hardners a better fitting option? Or will the 30% + Active high regen make incubus balanced?

Sure, I can add things if Rattati gives me some numbers o7

And speaking about numbers, the only stats updated apart from hull names is PG/CPU, slots, armor regen, shield regen and armor/shield values. Other stats like speed or profiles, even cost, remained the same as the old base hull. At this point I don't know if they're to remain the same or not.

you're hilarious.

Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles because he doesn't play the game.

Please do not buff AV until after the tanks are out. Madrugars.and Gunnlogis costing half a mil already get outclassed when up against two AV if they are any good and coordinated. A proto tank costing millions should be worth such an isk investment.

Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles because he doesn't play the game.

After conversing with a few folks I think the 10% per level fitting for engineering and electronics on the upgrades is far too generous, 1%

After conversing with a few folks I think the 10% per level fitting for engineering and electronics on the upgrades is far too generous, 1%

After conversing with a few folks I think the 10% per level fitting for engineering and electronics on the upgrades is far too generous, 1%

Why do you think 1% is enough an 10% too much? Please show your work, very little has been accepted here without numbers to back up "feelings"

Frankly, 1% bonus for anything is absurd. There is a 1% skill on the Dropuit core skills, and i had a hard time justifying taking that to level 3.

Av doesn't need to be toned down.

Minmando with damage mods needs to be fixed.

Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles because he doesn't play the game.

Dear players,

This is the first step, which entails

A) fixing the fitting of Gallente HAVs making them competitive
B) introducing HAV progression
C) tweaking fitting styles that are not intended
D) making blasters competitive AV weapons
E) adding slots to HAV's to make them more fun and versatile to fit.


I am very happy to announce that ProtoFits.com has offered it's assistance in the final phase of HAV and SHAV progression analysis.

They have added the proposed hulls to their site, for us to break

The new hulls will be named G-1, G/1 and Gv.0 to clearly show progression, and allow targeting intel to assist with enemy capability recognition.

1)
Two new hulls with placeholder names, but I like them, have been added in the

Gallente Marduk and the Caldari Gladius.

We therefore have HAV's and SHAV's, SHAV's are simply HAV's with no small turret slots and less PG/CPU due to that, for those pilots that prefer solitude.

2)
Please note that with this new progression, Hardeners will be limited to one per fitting, one of each. Triple hardening is not going to be an option any more. I would prefer that if hardeners are activated, the enemy tank has a way to bypass those, by using dmg mods to counter. More on that later.

3)
We are also adding native repair rates, again so shield tanks aren't forced to fit repairers to have some form of rep rate, thereby reducing the chance of cookie cutter fits. This was also done for dropsuits a little while back.

4)
Blasters will be increasing in damage, so they can break through the shield regen of a hardened shield tank.

5)
Furthermore, we will be adding a PG cost to CPU upgrades, and CPU cost to PG upgrades. The utility of using CPU mods to massively boost fitting capabilities of shield tanks will be severely reduced.



The actual numbers will be posted on the forums when we are ready plus any skills. Right now we are leaning towards unlocking them at HAV operation 1,3 and 5, for simplicity's sake.



Now go forth and fit them and demonstrate why we should, or should not make changes. Please post ProtoFit links whenever possible!

I made some fits with all skills maxed in proto fits that still goes over either cpu or pg, not sure if the 10% per level has been added to electrical and engineering yet, but dropping those at all would make the fittings even worse.

I would recommend starting at 10% if it has already been added, if not yet added then anywhere from2% to 5%; per level would be enough on both armor and shield builds.

oh and shield booster functionality and stats need to be fixed to be useful over stacking extenders.

Did rattati say 10% was happening?

If so please quote Because I missed it.

If not don't treat it like it's going to be a thing.

10%/level to PG/CPU will make it so no HAV needs to make any sacrifices on any fit. I can already hotrack the proposed HAVs with full proto in their main tank slots usually with a proto gun. Adding 50% would make all-slot proto a thing and allow for things like putting a pair of extenders in the highs to maxbrick a maddy.

This strikes me as a bad thing.

It probably isn't going to be a thing, but if it were, 3-5% is the most sensible option.

Minmando with damage mods gives a 3.6% benefit to alpha over a triple mod assault. The benefit is purely ppsychological.

Edit: misquote because phone.
If the bonus 'doesn't do anything' why keep it? The suit is being used for some kind of reason.


http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties

Triple modded assault is 18.04% (7, 6.08, 3.99, these are multiplicative)

Base wiyrkomi dmg is 312, after 3mod assault it's 368.27~

Commando has an un penalized 10%, which makes that first mod a 17.7% dmg and the second dmg mod is penalized to 6.08. Total damage bonus is ~1.2485... A lot higher than the 3% you claim.

Base wiyrkomi is 312, 2x modded minmando is 389.55 dmg... Before proficiency or the swarm actually doing 1.3x vs armor instead of the 1.2 its supposed to.

24.85 - 18.04 = 6.81 almost a full 7%, close to double the 3.6 you're claiming.

So if this bonus "doesn't do anything" why don't we remove it? If you're opposed to it the bonus must clearly do *something*

While the bonus to the plasma cannon might be incredibly significant that weapon *is* difficult to use. Swarms certainly have problems but part of the issues is with a single suit that so long as a bonus can and will throw numbers out of whack.