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LudiKure ninda
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:True Adamance wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:Please do remember that I am currently looking at a Surya fit right now with
Shields: 2135
Armour: 8867
That's a 3/5 Tank as you all well know. Fit up very well, with 25% damage reducing hardeners that lasted over 30 seconds with a very short cool down, damage control unit, and a Heat Sink.
That's also coupled with a pin point accurate blaster that deal 180.1 damage per round.......
AV these days wouldn't have had a chance against that. We'd have everything we need, range, power, durability. One of the best aspects about the old style of Chromo/Uprising Tanking AV I think was that if AV could engage us, providing you guys had rendered we could also engage you back.
No rep i take it? The rep could bail you out sometimes with that extra 5k+ when needed. I never used shields, nitro and heat sinks. AV render now mostly but the blaster is a game of luck, Uprising the blaster required aim and rewarded it but i do remember in PC the FG up top i could not shoot but i could still fight a tank while they were hitting me. Swarms on the otherhand out of reach, out of sight. No it apparently had reps. Actually is the one from the Pyrex Video from way back in the day not that he's the one piloting it. I can only speculate on the fit since the perspective was of the secondary gunner. Certainly has reps but I'd image two plates at the very least and one shield extender at the very least. Still with that damage it could pump out and 11,000 effective armour HP it was bloody hard for those guys to even hurt. I certainly know what you mean about the blaster. Yeah it was incredibly powerful....... being pin point accurate but that allowed the gun to have range. Picking off players at 200m was a matter of having solid aim AND them being morons, sad to see that go since Uprising tanks was to me was already pretty top tier and enjoyable. The guys in that video(reds) had only militia AV, Imagine 3 people now with min comando with swarms and all that to 5..? I'm going out on a limb here and going to ask for sources and proof before you make that assumption, also going to remind you that the damage increase on the individual swarm launcher volleys on the Minmando are negligible and its the sustained DPS that makes Minmando what they are. 3 Fully specced AV players vs one fully specced Marauders tankers? Something has to take it down and honestly that seems fair to me.....certainly not like you should be sitting out in the middle of the map not using cover or range in this case to your advantage.
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17435
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:37:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role.
At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7472
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation.
pretty severely. Except for swarms AV has eaten a ratehr sharp kick to the teeth. 20% rate of fire nerf for forge guns plus the addition of the hidden refire delay
AV
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17438
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation. pretty severely. Except for swarms AV has eaten a ratehr sharp kick to the teeth. 20% rate of fire nerf for forge guns plus the addition of the hidden refire delay
Conceded.
All I want is my damn modules and a ******* acceptable range profile back.
EDIT-
*breathes in slowly
*breathes out deeply
But honestly it doesn't matter any more. I took the time yesterday evening to work through my growing irritation now that I have somewhat returned to Dust and accepted and let go of my extreme disappointment in the game.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Ardos 130297
Prima Gallicus
3
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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:48:00 -
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I try to do a tank fit with Marduk
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1219/12233
You do not win a war by making what is just...
You win it by making what is necessary...
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5157
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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation.
Pretty much. I miss the days where it took experience to properly maintain your modules and cycle them constantly.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7477
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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:31:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation. Pretty much. I miss the days where it took experience to properly maintain your modules and cycle them constantly.
So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle.
AV
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5160
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:21:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle.
I think back then Hardeners were all 25-30% but you almost always had 2-3 of them at a time. Sometimes you had to have multiples on at the same time to stay alive which then left you all that much more vulnerable later on. The gameplay felt so much more dynamic back then because not only did we have flexibility of fitting, but also flexibility of how each person played. I remember rolling up on guys that would pop all 3 hardeners at once and be basically impossible to damage for 20 seconds as I desperately tried to stay alive long enough for his hardeners to fail and I could wipe him out.....good times.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2951
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation. Pretty much. I miss the days where it took experience to properly maintain your modules and cycle them constantly. So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle.
battles, not a battle. I've had many matches where I executed everything perfectly and dominated.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17442
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:25:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation. Pretty much. I miss the days where it took experience to properly maintain your modules and cycle them constantly. So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle.
I had to stop playing yesterday after dozens on consecutive mistakes sent me into a downward spiral into "not giving a ****" and "why am I doing this when I have Tale of Symphonia right there".
But honestly I do miss having to be active in my management of module.
I miss having power in my hands that was subject to a varied and in-depth skill tree.
I miss having a Blaster Turret with range that was subject to my accuracy not luck.
I miss AV meaning something to me and my tanks meaning something to me.
I miss armour being viable.
I miss being naive enough to think progress toward the Amarr HAV was on the horizon.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2951
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:26:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle.
I think back then Hardeners were all 25-30% but you almost always had 2-3 of them at a time. Sometimes you had to have multiples on at the same time to stay alive which then left you all that much more vulnerable later on. The gameplay felt so much more dynamic back then because not only did we have flexibility of fitting, but also flexibility of how each person played. I remember rolling up on guys that would pop all 3 hardeners at once and be basically impossible to damage for 20 seconds as I desperately tried to stay alive long enough for his hardeners to fail and I could wipe him out.....good times.
I'd pop them periodically depending on how the fight is going.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2951
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:
When you point turrent at someone it says what suit they have,..look at pyrex bottom screen and your see that all suits are MLT.
And yeah I agree that 3 fully specced minmandos could take out MHAV
Ah.... I didn't consider that. Thanks for reminding me of that little bit of info I can use in future. It actually highlights a fair point some tankers bring up that back when that was recorded [Chromosome I believe] most of the community didn't have the SP for proper AV and didn't appreciate its role. At time's I'm not even sure Marauders were or would be in this climate over powered.....especially considering how slow tanks used to be and how active pilots had to be in their operation. Pretty much. I miss the days where it took experience to properly maintain your modules and cycle them constantly. So do I. Sooner or later EVERYONE makes mistakes during a battle. I miss being naive enough to think progress toward the Amarr HAV was on the horizon.
Well, it is. remember, phase 3
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17445
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Posted - 2015.03.04 02:47:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Well, it is. remember, phase 3
Phase 3?
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5161
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Posted - 2015.03.04 02:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Well, it is. remember, phase 3
Phase 3?
Actually Phase 2
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2583382#post2583382
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17447
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:16:00 -
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Not sure this placates me.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5163
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Not sure this placates me.
*shrugs* In function at the least, but I know the roleplaying part is important to you.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7479
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Posted - 2015.03.04 06:12:00 -
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Rattati indicated racial hull parity comes after the gallente and caldari hulls are finalized.
AV is LAST priority. Because... Duh... trying to put a skinny woman on a diet because she's worried about Gaining weight.
AV
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7483
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Posted - 2015.03.04 09:19:00 -
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Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of.
kill him.
This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference.
AV
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LudiKure ninda
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
209
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Posted - 2015.03.04 09:43:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of. kill him.This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference.
No that is not vehicle qq,..that is I got killed by a forge gun/rail turrent!!! My KD!! 
Nerf nerf nerf nerf
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7483
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Posted - 2015.03.04 09:46:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of. kill him.This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference. No that is not vehicle qq,..that is I got killed by a forge gun/rail turrent!!! My KD!! Nerf nerf nerf nerf
Rail turrets exist on HAVs. And this would be the first time I have ever seen someone rage about the static turrets.
AV
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
897
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Posted - 2015.03.04 11:56:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of. kill him.This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference. No that is not vehicle qq,..that is I got killed by a forge gun/rail turrent!!! My KD!! Nerf nerf nerf nerf Rail turrets exist on HAVs. And this would be the first time I have ever seen someone rage about the static turrets.
sidenote: You should have heard the comms when the A.I. rails were unbelivably good. Snipe a player out of an LAV, then snipe the passenger that jumped into thee drivers seat, and then kill the LAV. The only way to tell if they were manned was if they missed.
Realtalk:
All in all not a lot of player feedback being given to rattati on his tank stats, no matter the bluster or heavyhanded opinion sharing over the last dozen or so pages. Muh infantry, Muh AV, Muh Chrome, Muh tanking opinon...
I hope everybody remembers this is a huge factor why real work on the tanks took over a month. Holiday is over, rattati is back at work but isn't in this thread. And i don't blame him. Not because it isn't feasable, or that its taking tons of development work, but because the threads just disintergrate into these silly back and forth arguments that belong in GD, not here.
No matter how strongly we feel about tanks, they are still sci fi fantasy make believe. Its Rattati's profession now, so unless you can an adult level of feedback on it, its a waste of time to take most of the last few pages seriously. We can nerd out until the cows come home, which i'm cool with, in the right threads. We can presnt relevant feedback in a clear consice way. Or we can live up to the reputaion of millenials and just whine whine whine about muh feelings. I'm judging myself too, i can be the latter, but i'm trying to be the former.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7511
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:09:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:I'm judging myself too, i can be the latter, but i'm trying to be the former.
would love nothing more.
I think that the havs aren't quite where they need to be.
MUCH closer than before. when this goes live I'm going to dust off the maddy.
AV
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3037
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:14:00 -
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Tanks were fine during Chrome.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2953
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Not sure this placates me.
lol, you just want your trike 
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2953
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:45:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of. kill him.This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference. No that is not vehicle qq,..that is I got killed by a forge gun/rail turrent!!! My KD!! Nerf nerf nerf nerf Rail turrets exist on HAVs. And this would be the first time I have ever seen someone rage about the static turrets.
which reminds me, I really don't like those things. Too strong, but if done right, too easy to get rid of.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2953
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:47:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tanks were fine during Chrome.
Not really, seeing as Rails 3 shotted them.
Oh wait, I forgot, you're fine with shitting damage.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7514
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:04:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tanks were fine during Chrome.
chrome got killed. Devs decided to say no. get over it.
AV
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17461
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:47:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tanks were fine during Chrome. chrome got killed. Devs decided to say no. get over it.
What about Uprising prior to 1.7?
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2954
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tanks were fine during Chrome. chrome got killed. Devs decided to say no. get over it. What about Uprising prior to 1.7?
1.0-1.6 HAV vs. HAV was nice. Chromo HAV vs. AV was nice. A Hybrid between the two is much better imo. And apart from the silly hardener change, that is what we're getting it seems.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7515
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tanks were fine during Chrome. chrome got killed. Devs decided to say no. get over it. What about Uprising prior to 1.7?
No impact, no idea.
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