Cpu/pg fitting optimization shouldn't be pointless to skill into on turrets either.. they are very sp expensive for little return.

The problem Rattati is having is trying to make a Militia tank with 2 chips balanced against a tank with 50 million sp invested, when you can get some pretty crazy fits on these militia tanks thanks to bad game design.

It's why teiricide doesn't work when you have TWO CHIPS THAT BYPASS THE WHOLE POINTS OF TEIRICIDE.

Especially on a vehicle that has 2 pointless low slots, that you either stick armor plates or mod chips in.

Would make more sense to have PROTO hull cpu and pg levels significantly higher so you don't need a chip and can put a recharger in your low.

As I've said before, reducing natural regen shouldn't happen until a recharger is introduced forthe low slots that is not cpu/pg hungry, and increases recharge rate significantly- ie over 200 hps - due to the delay penalty.

Shield boosters would also have to be worth fitting - ie far less pg, larger boost over longer time (complex large 2500 shields over 5 seconds) then the cooldown can remain as long as it is.. right now its better just to fit an extender or light booster.

Also hardeners should stack with appropriate penalties.

Yet more of the same. Just because you claim not to speak for R* the message doesn't change.

It's also amazing, your theories on my motivation.

My assertions are based on what you have said. Your counterarguments on my intent have nothing to do with anything I have said or presented your arguments are entirely based on what you assume I mean when I have been pretty direct in my intent.

You have been remarkably adept at playing coy by comparison.

Your stated playstyle preference seems, based on your comments and your direct statements involves an automatic win. With no recourse for a majority of the playerbase.

not one thing you have said has been based on any numbers, no evidence. Just assertions of intent and twisting the words of people who disagree.

As long as you campaign for tanks to be a win button that can't be fought by the majority of the playerbase, then the playerbase will campaign to keep your playstyle nerfed into the ground.

And thus far you, spkr and docDDD (Hi Ripper!) Are the only people in the last four months besides lazer got banned who assert that I'm being unreasonable.

Being apart of a corp has nothing to do with this child.

You still believe that 1 AV should be able to take out a 3man HAV.

If i said it should take out 3 AV to take out 1 man HAV you complain and say it is unfair and that it should take 1 player to take out 1 player.

The double standards is there for all to see, you hide behind 'balance' yet you want it as unbalanced as possible in the favor of AV while making vehicles a sideshow at best and absolutely useless at its very worst.

Since are going to be like this i can do exactly the same thing.

It should take 3 AV working together to take out a HAV, don't quote 1 player to 1 player BS to me since you obv don't want it and if you cry balance i will say 'tank', my missiles should hammer infantry into the ground but a flaylock and core locus do the job better where is the balance?

All players like you do is take, take and take some more, you suck the life out of this game while you still complain that it is too hard for you, that you need more buffs and the playstyle that is supposed to counter you should be nerfed more and more. It won't stop with this game, slowly it dies out and you move onto the next like a virus slowly ruining it because something is too hard or you can't solo it and the cycle continues.

Vehicles are in this game and yet you want a clip of whatever to kill every vehicle, why don't you move to a game where vehicles do not exist? I play planetside and can deal with AV and other vehicles but that is because the game is more developed and i have countermeasures yet no matter what pilots say you always disagree. You don't want turrets to kill infantry, you don't want HAV to have too much health that 1 clip cannot kill it outright, you want to buff AV for the new vehicles yet don't care about the DS/LAV which will be made useless, it is always what you or infantry want and never what pilots actually want who happen to use and skill into the vehicles hoping that it can actually become a proper playstyle rarther than a freak sideshow who can be put out of the game by 1 player with minimal SP investment.

AV we hawe right now could blow up a crome surya or sagaris with no problems..


And yeah I know that my english sucks..

sorry dude, I lost interest when you resorted to name calling to make a point. Which you're incapable of without a hefty dose of anecdotal opinion. Sorry to tell you vehicles aren't the central focus of the game. And I think this conversation has abundantly demonstrated the fact that you're not interested in Rattati's HAVs because they aren't overpowered enough.

Later.

no it couldn't. the AV options have all been nerfed since then and are not back at chromosome levels of power.

Vehicles are the central focus of this balancing act.

And yes we know they aren't any focus at all. They're less than an afterthought, providing easy points for AV.

no it couldn't. the AV options have all been nerfed since then and are not back at chromosome levels of power.

You call swarms previously able to do ~3000 damage per volley a nerf from Chrome? Lol

sorry dude, I lost interest when you resorted to name calling to make a point. Which you're incapable of without a hefty dose of anecdotal opinion. Sorry to tell you vehicles aren't the central focus of the game. And I think this conversation has abundantly demonstrated the fact that you're not interested in Rattati's HAVs because they aren't overpowered enough.

Later.

You mean those things that no longer exist?

Your mastery of cherrypicking irrelevancies to current situations is amazing.

Doom

Then stop treating us as if we were hostages.

You two aren't hostages. You are unwilling to compromise on any point for any reason without exception.

You have been holding the discussion hostage in all of rattati's threads about HAVs recently.

Everybody was crying bloody murder when the fused locus, flaylock and tac AR were being nerfed. Same with the Cal logi. Many announced they were biomassing, or stop playing, or that it was the end of the game. It's still going, and those that threatened that are still here. Why should I compromise? I did that in my hull spreadsheet. I won't do more than that. My conviction is unwavering.

And guarantees that no one besides your cheerleader squad will support you.

You want compromise on the power of AV. I'm just reciprocating.

Please do remember that I am currently looking at a Surya fit right now with

Shields: 2135
Armour: 8867

That's a 3/5 Tank as you all well know. Fit up very well, with 25% damage reducing hardeners that lasted over 30 seconds with a very short cool down, damage control unit, and a Heat Sink.

That's also coupled with a pin point accurate blaster that deal 180.1 damage per round.......

AV these days wouldn't have had a chance against that. We'd have everything we need, range, power, durability. One of the best aspects about the old style of Chromo/Uprising Tanking AV I think was that if AV could engage us, providing you guys had rendered we could also engage you back.

No rep i take it?

The rep could bail you out sometimes with that extra 5k+ when needed.

I never used shields, nitro and heat sinks.

AV render now mostly but the blaster is a game of luck, Uprising the blaster required aim and rewarded it but i do remember in PC the FG up top i could not shoot but i could still fight a tank while they were hitting me. Swarms on the otherhand out of reach, out of sight.

HAV doesn't take 3-10 people to run at peak power, does it? It only takes one and has only ever taken one. The secondary gunners have only ever been tagalongs at best.

Nice attemt at twisting my words. You're better at it thaN the usual suspects.

I used to be able to kill infantry with missiles - it got nerfed

I used to be able to kill infantry with blaster - it got nerfed

I used to be able to kill infantry and vehicles with an ADS - it got nerfed

Of course it won't happen, because despite you not using vehicles, you still believe with absolute conviction that you know what's best for vehicles, and not those that actually use them, and use them often.

I've confirmed that Breakin has actually Piloted vehicles of all kinds (well, not sure about a ADS).

Also, he is on the receiving end of a HAV a lot.

AND He is saying that on a balanced field (ex. PROTO to PROTO), iirc will take at least iirc 13-16 seconds for the TTK for AV, which is ample time to escape, at least that's what he feels is balanced, in which I agree.

You can stop berating his motives and his character, and instead focus on what he is saying. You are acting like racists act. Instead of judging people on what they do and say, you simply are quick to turn whatever they say down, simply because you believe them to be inferior to you. That is silly. Stop it.

No it apparently had reps. Actually is the one from the Pyrex Video from way back in the day not that he's the one piloting it. I can only speculate on the fit since the perspective was of the secondary gunner. Certainly has reps but I'd image two plates at the very least and one shield extender at the very least.

Still with that damage it could pump out and 11,000 effective armour HP it was bloody hard for those guys to even hurt.

I certainly know what you mean about the blaster. Yeah it was incredibly powerful....... being pin point accurate but that allowed the gun to have range. Picking off players at 200m was a matter of having solid aim AND them being morons, sad to see that go since Uprising tanks was to me was already pretty top tier and enjoyable.

Also bear in mind that 13-16 seconds is under optimal conditions for the AV user, in practice it'll probably be a bit longer.

I think its a good starting point, but obviously you really have to field test that **** to see if that time frame makes sense. Not everything can be decided on paper.

The guys in that video(reds) had only militia AV, Imagine 3 people now with min comando with swarms and all that to 5..?