I don't know about you but I'm able to fit a XT-201 and 4x Complex Extenders with an Advanced Hardener pretty easily. What is your fit?

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/136/11751

I don't like the trend this is going. Tanks seem to be trending toward repair fitting where they need to be buffer fit. When repair oriented, they take damage and come back moments later; even ignoring them for 5s and all you've done to them is repaired. Buffer fits force the pilot to choose between staying and finishing off threats (and having to take more time to repair) or to fall back and try something else. It also increases TTK for high alpha weapons, providing more interesting engagements.

Not to mention that this severely favors armor fits over shield. I know they need a buff but let's strive for balance.

I mean seriously that thing reps from zero in 15s...

Also, I hope you introduce AV small missile turrets with this iteration as well as a buff to small rails, because, as you claim, if ADSs are supposed to be a counter to tanks, they'll need it.

Actually, dude raises an interesting point, considering that a Proto Gallente Commando with all skills at level 5 with a Prototype Plasma Cannon is only doing 426 DPS to armor.... and either of the Proto Gallente tanks with 4 Complex Heavy Armor Repairers can repair 508/s....

It's actually virtually impossible for a single player with that fit to do any damage to either of those tanks with those fittings. Even with a Complex Damage Modifier, the commando is only doing 456 DPS, and that's if the shot lands.

I'm checking the other weapons now, but you can see what I'm working with right here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QjKAHl1eEQdc7fFONABPQWuHOXYKCVkwW5MskKCzIoI/edit?usp=sharing

Please take into account my comments of PG and CPU mods. They will cost heftily in the opposite direction.

Few things:

1) Can you bring up the profile on these tanks? Little weird that (base) Commandos can't pick up a tank on their passive scans.

2) What are ISK prices looking like for the newer tanks? Having more slots but less base durability seems like they should be cheaper if we want them to match current prices through module expenditure.

3) Think you should look at another method of balancing the MBTs' and the SHAVs' fitting costs. Seems like I'd always just slap on some standard turrets and use the extra PG/CPU on the MBT over the SHAV - just get more as a whole. Just as well, I'd be getting more assist points anyway on the off-chance they actually do kill anything with the small guns.

4) What are the bonuses going to look like, if any?

Thank you for the Eve lesson, but it really shows how different the games operate. Short of both games having 'shields and armor' we should really work on making what we have now fair on both sides.

ie, armor always has the advantage of a shield buffer, if shields tanks get down to its armor buffer it's game over with these new numbers.

Oh I found out you can't interrupt shield boosters. they only get one pulse for the listed amount.

if you take damage, it just eats part (or all) of that benefit entirely.

so instead of 5 pulses that result in say 1950 HP repped to shields it just does it all at once, rather than spacing it out over 10-15 seconds.

So I dunno what people are thinking when you say you can "interrupt" the regen.

Well that is an option I suppose but that's not what I was saying.

Like....just as an example, Rattati is adding in Shield Regulators for vehicles. For a MBT (again just as an example), if he uses Infantry reg values, 2 regulators on a Caldari MBT would drop its recharge delay to ~1.8s which is actually pretty good. So for a Caldari MBT user, having those regs in the lows is a valuable thing, OR they can choose go with the longer recharge delay (due to not using the regs) in order to get more CPU/PG by using the Enhancers.

I guess my point is that personally I don't mind shield vehicles making us of resource modules, but I would like there to be an equally attractive alternative they could use instead of PG/CPU mods, so there is actually a sort of tradeoff. Because right now, there's really not much going on for shield vehicles in the lows, so resource mods are often the clear and obvious choice.

But you are right in that any sort of 'cost' for fitting them, if Rattati goes that direction, it needs to be percentage based. You can get away with absolute values for things like Heavy vs Light HP modules, but for generic modules like resource extenders, it needs to scale to the vehicle, so % based is the way to go.

Ok here's someone who is actually doing exactly what every damn tanker accuses ME of.

kill him.

This is What vehicle QQ really looks like. Go look and see the difference.