Then why do you always cry about vehicles being underpowered when, from your own mouth, it usually takes 2+ people to kill you?
I don't get where you are coming from here.

Are you a skilled player that 1v2s regularly, or a whiner? You can't be both without being an *******.

So you instantly dismiss it because you don't use it. Great argument you have there.

You know guys, since the HAV and Turret feedback threads closed, I was wondering how long it would take for threads like these crop up.


Ahhhh, so familiar.

Ever run a gunnlogi with double shield hardeners and a complex extender or double complex extenders and a single hardener with 2 small proto rails?

The role becomes quite clear, killin infantry. Of course most maps don't allow for this too often given infantry's mobility in enclose areas over the tanks. And lots and lots of cover. But when you get a bridge map or other open map, you better look the **** out, cause I'm gonna **** something up.

I've taken to physically switching to my top gun to kill infantry, leaving my large rail to take down big targets. Hmm and nothing sweeter than taking a tank down with a combination of your main gun, overheating it, then switching to the small to finish them off.

Says a guy that thinks because he has SP into vehicles, that makes him a tanker.

Oh, and my crazy month of PC experience > your assumptions based on very little experience.

Spkr's ideal AV weapon. The Swab Launcher.

Fires harmless cotton balls at enemy vehicles. They don't do damage but the sound of cotton relentlessly bouncing off of the tanks hull will annoy them into submission and cause them to drive off.

If gaining optimal position is the goal, Scout is actually pretty legit. If you're going for raw DPS with a PLC, Nothing can come close to the Gallmando. They both have merit and it comes down more so to personal playstyle.

Still too OP for Spker they need to be nerfed meow, how do you expect balanced game if tanks are being pelted by cotton balls and causing them to drive off backwards in a straight line.... up a hill.... with 1200 shields.... and 4000 armor

The PLC is for sure a very difficult to use weapon and while it can be used at range, typically my most successful runs with it involve me getting up close and personal with an HAV which almost always ends in my death or the HAV's death, rarely do they run at that point. Also note that when I do get an HAV kill with it, its typically because I can alpha down the shield's buffer before the hardener goes up. Once that hardener is up....good luck.

I think the main problem with swarms is their concept in general. Typically Missiles in EVE are known for 2 things.

1. They're useful from their max range all the way down to 0km. They don't suffer from tracking issues, so they can target anything if its within their effective range.
2. They never miss. Damage can be reduced if the target is small/moving fast, and in exceedingly rare instances they can outrun/outrange the missiles.

What this leads to is a philosophy of "Constant Sustained DPS". They don't tear targets apart like say a Blaster would with crazy close range DPS, but what they do allow is that once you start firing on the target, that target is going to sustain moderate amounts of damage for a long period of time while they try to either kill the AVer or simply outrange the enemy. I think after the range of the Swarms got castrated, the obvious assumption was that the DPS had to increase to compensate which was reasonable...but it's also not quite working right.

I'm not advocating for a return to the crazy ranges we had before (What was it, 400m?) but it might be interesting to take a look at the concept for a longer range, lower DPS swarm launcher that is built more around long term sustained DPS rather than shorter range higher DPS.

I'm not sure about when the new tanks come out but with the status quo AV is in a pretty good spot the problem is not the AV because you never hear about a armor tank, DS, or ADS that they couldn't kill because it ate their swarms.

The problem according to most threads like this is the shield tanks that can just stand there and take the beating but even the tanks itself is not to blame it is the ability to stack shield hardeners.

When shield hardeners are stacked swarms can no longer do enough damage to stop the shield regen from kicking in so if anything the best thing to do is not allow hardeners to be stacked, even if it does lower the already scarce fitting options, because it's not only a problem for AV but it also poses a problem to armor tank users.

The stacking of hardeners is also an imbalance among tanks because if you think swarms look bad hitting a harden stacked shield tank you should see how pitiful the large blaster turret is against a tank like that.

No, he instantly dismisses it because the odds of you facing someone with Dual Swarms is so low that it could be considered comical, and that dual swarms itself is so impractical that it is to be considered comical.

Its a valid argument.

Ever run a gunnlogi with double shield hardeners and a complex extender or double complex extenders and a single hardener with 2 small proto rails?

The role becomes quite clear, killin infantry. Of course most maps don't allow for this too often given infantry's mobility in enclose areas over the tanks. And lots and lots of cover. But when you get a bridge map or other open map, you better look the **** out, cause I'm gonna **** something up.

I've taken to physically switching to my top gun to kill infantry, leaving my large rail to take down big targets. Hmm and nothing sweeter than taking a tank down with a combination of your main gun, overheating it, then switching to the small to finish them off.

I recommend you guys pick up either solid AV-fits to swap into, pick up a skilled rail tanker, or prepare jihad jeeps to
take out a high-experience tanker. We are not Warpoint Pinatas and continuous nerfing won't make you any
better. I run into groups of AV all the time. The difference between them getting me and me getting them or
getting out of there is skill, coordination. Watch my routes, mix up your AV, and don't be sad if you don't get me.
I won't be sad if you do catch and kill my tank. I'll "GG".

Your narrative of continuous nerfs is completely demolished by the simple reality that the Gunnlogi right now is basically invincible if its piloted by someone who isnt a complete moron.

How do you explain how effective the gunnlogi is while still pretending tanks have been nerfed into the ground?

Another episode of Spkr4thedead versus everyone else per usual. nothing to see here.

Swarm Launchers do NOT need a buff. I repeat, they are fine as they are. Work as a TEAM.
You should NOT be able to easily lone wolf a tank. I need teamwork to survive, and AV should
have the same weight on their shoulders.

However that doesn't change as Vesta said that a Gunnlogi and a mild case of competency makes you effectually invincible on the field unless the JLAV'c come rolling in.

That's not right. Hell I never felt like more of a scrub than when I picked up the Shield HAV...... made everything so easy and boring.

Also one of your previous statements has me concerned when you talk about Railguns and skill...... you fire a round every 1.8 seconds and have very fair turret tracking values and stability. To put it into perspective you should try getting used to tanks that fire every 10.4 seconds and can't accurately be fired while on the move.....

However that doesn't change as Vesta said that a Gunnlogi and a mild case of competency makes you effectually invincible on the field unless the JLAV'c come rolling in.

That's not right. Hell I never felt like more of a scrub than when I picked up the Shield HAV...... made everything so easy and boring.

Also one of your previous statements has me concerned when you talk about Railguns and skill...... you fire a round every 1.8 seconds and have very fair turret tracking values and stability. To put it into perspective you should try getting used to tanks that fire every 10.4 seconds and can't accurately be fired while on the move.....

Still too OP for Spker they need to be nerfed meow, how do you expect balanced game if tanks are being pelted by cotton balls and causing them to drive off backwards in a straight line.... up a hill.... with 1200 shields.... and 4000 armor

I recommend you guys pick up either solid AV-fits to swap into, pick up a skilled rail tanker, or prepare jihad jeeps to
take out a high-experience tanker. We are not Warpoint Pinatas and continuous nerfing won't make you any
better. I run into groups of AV all the time. The difference between them getting me and me getting them or
getting out of there is skill, coordination. Watch my routes, mix up your AV, and don't be sad if you don't get me.
I won't be sad if you do catch and kill my tank. I'll "GG".

I am a ******* competent tanker and I use the Gunnlogi and
I can confidently say they are NOT invincible if you use teamwork!

For fucks sake, use your head when engaging! I have a whole squad
who can spot for me as well, and I still get caught occasionally. If not
caught, suppressed all to hell.

What you want is a return to tanks being ******* easy to kill by just
about anything. Well, return our ******* rail range and I'll chill in the back
when you break the Gunnlogi like you guys broke the ******* Madrugar with
your infantry bitching.

I think a great deal of swarm problems could be solved if they were simply required to sustain a lock and damage was buffed appropriately. Death to fire and forget.

Intelligence is OP.