Guys, tanks aren't that hard to run off if you work as a team.
Also consider the price of a well-fit tank. They aren't meant
to lose as many of them per game as a dropsuit.

I'm sure you want it to be one second, probably less. Double swarm Minmando can take out an unhardened armor tank in 5 volleys. I would know, it's happened to me. So that's a little over 5 seconds. That's unacceptable

Dude you need to get YOUR head around this.

Vesta I'm pretty sure tanks. I drive tanks. I switched from the Madrugar to the Gunnlogi when I couldn't delude myself any further that the Shield HAV was statistically better in every sense than its armour counter part and that while using it could essentially be invincible.

Yes I am a tanker and I am saying that I almost have to try to **** up to have AV destroy me while I use a Gunnlogi...... oddly for me I do better Anti Infantry in a Sica for some reason but that's besides the point.

For what the Gunnlogi is, that being a standard or T1 tank hull, it is too cheap and too effective to justify the level of power it puts me on, especially in that it naturally has, with the current AV of Dust, great natural resistances and additional 15% more effecient resistances than its armour counter part allowing it to have the following.

-Superior eHP values
-165 regen sec after a manable 3-4 second cool down without the requirements of a module.
-40% hardeners which are currently the cause of the superior eHP values
-Better fitting stats
-Better mobility attributes

Putting all of these things together has yielded a tank that is understandably rather over powered.

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

Buff up the Madrugar, more PG, CPU, and that should do fine. Used to use Maddy for busting shields
but with the removal of slots, CPU and the like, much harder to fit.

Do you mean all you do is chill in redline?

I mean, I could do that too if I wanted to be invincible.
I've got a solid Gunnlogi, but if I roam, I can die.
Makes me think you just chill near the back.

Actually you can still stack hardeners on an ADS and on the... Saga II LAV I think? so that swarms cannot do enough damage to stop shield regen, effectively making the vehicle invincible while the hardeners are up (and before anyone starts the TRY THIS TRY THAT bullshit I was using a minmando with proto swarms and max dmg modding).

But right now the biggest issue with vehicle balance is #1 railgun turret performance vs. dropships and #2 gunnlogi just needs to get nerfed somehow to bring it in line with the madruger.

Your narrative of continuous nerfs is completely demolished by the simple reality that the Gunnlogi right now is basically invincible if its piloted by someone who isnt a complete moron.

How do you explain how effective the gunnlogi is while still pretending tanks have been nerfed into the ground?

Buff up the Madrugar, more PG, CPU, and that should do fine. Used to use Maddy for busting shields
but with the removal of slots, CPU and the like, much harder to fit.

Do you mean all you do is chill in redline?

I mean, I could do that too if I wanted to be invincible.
I've got a solid Gunnlogi, but if I roam, I can die.
Makes me think you just chill near the back.

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

Just as a player, I have not been able to kill a single vehicle in the last few weeks. And I am dedicating myself, to really see how it is, by always spawning in as AV when I see any vehicle and going after it.

As an experiment I have had two to three proto AV fits, both a cloak scout plc and/or Minmando swarms, on my main. I am simply terrible with RE's so I don't even run them. I always fit Proto AV grenades, but they are not overly effective.

Against a semi-competent driver that doesn't panic and drive into a wall, there is no way to kill a HAV. They simply harden and rail or blast me, fairly easily.

2 AV scare most HAV's away. Thing is about PLC is that it is very difficult to hit a moving target, the first shot is a hit, 2nd maybe and then you are in dream territory.

Even fitted as I am, the last two week KDR against HAV's is approximately 0-20 on my side.

Against random guys that start shooting me when I am trying to AV, I am probably a 5/30 KDR with my measly scout HP, or screenfilling swarm launcher.

The situation is not even close to what you are describing, for me at least.

If you ask me, I think you're going about it all wrong.

AV should be concerned with point defense and area denial, not necessarily killing vehicles all the time. Good positioning needs to be sought as well, you can't expect to just run up to an HAV and kill it every time solo. AV needs to distract vehicles from their other targets, either by forcing them to engage AVers or to flee, but I still hold that a single AVer should not necessarily kill a vehicle every time except when in very good position or having set a good trap, etc.

Even more damage? Jesus Christ, why is the only solution to buff AV?

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

Just as a player, I have not been able to kill a single vehicle in the last few weeks. And I am dedicating myself, to really see how it is, by always spawning in as AV when I see any vehicle and going after it.

As an experiment I have had two to three proto AV fits, both a cloak scout plc and/or Minmando swarms, on my main. I am simply terrible with RE's so I don't even run them. I always fit Proto AV grenades, but they are not overly effective.

Against a semi-competent driver that doesn't panic and drive into a wall, there is no way to kill a HAV. They simply harden and rail or blast me, fairly easily.

2 AV scare most HAV's away. Thing is about PLC is that it is very difficult to hit a moving target, the first shot is a hit, 2nd maybe and then you are in dream territory.

Even fitted as I am, the last two week KDR against HAV's is approximately 0-20 on my side.

Against random guys that start shooting me when I am trying to AV, I am probably a 5/30 KDR with my measly scout HP, or screenfilling swarm launcher.

The situation is not even close to what you are describing, for me at least.

I think this is by far the best thing we have ever heard. The head of development on our game is tired of hearing the sausage is tasty by a few loud people and is walking into line to try one like everyone else.

Yes, AV against shields is weak currently. Sorry vehicle guys, it happens. My militia sica pushes around 2 proto swarmers and yes, I am a jerk by jumping out in my heavy and feeding them some hmg.

I think the coolest thing I saw in your post is that you understand AV grenades are not worth it unless you are standing next to a supply depot. They need work - plain and simple.

My last observation for everyone who is complaining he is doing it wrong: Think about this, he is a noobish player running proto AV against non-proto vehicles and losing. He probably is going to tune out all the talk of AV being OP going forward.

Ratiti - +1 those vehicles weren't in a PC, it is worse there with people bringing their best. If you don't have a vehicle you will lose to a vehicle heavy team outright. I liked the post from the tanker about REs, that is so true.

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

Not really mate. I agree that tanks shouldn't be so tough to kill you don't even bother, but I'm against them being weak and not having proper weapons systems.

However you know as well as I do that there will always be those people who dime the system. Not illegitimately by because they can use their tools to become worth more than the 1 = 1 paradigm.

Regardless of what is done tankers will find ways to burns the maps and teams to the ground because that's what they do.

Also, lets remove proto-suits in the game that are incredibly tough to 1v1 in basic or militia suits. 1 = 1 right? Even for Infantry.

I find it hilarious that you think there's a tank nerf in the offing

Guys, tanks aren't that hard to run off if you work as a team.
Also consider the price of a well-fit tank. They aren't meant
to lose as many of them per game as a dropsuit.

oh i know hun i was just being sarcastic the last part is actually what happened when i came across spker and i was using a dual swarm minmando

Here is the whole balance in a nutshell.

1 tank vs Infantry = Tank wins

1 Infantry AV vs 1 tank = tank advantage

2 Infantry AV vs 1 Tank, = AV advantage

1 Tank + 1 infantry vs 2 AV = Infantry advantage, Tank and AV disadvantage.

1 Tank + 1 infantry AV vs 1 tank = Tank and AV advantage

2 Tank VS 2 AV = whoever gets first kill has advatange.

1 infantry vs 1 AV = infantry advantage.

1 infantry AV vs ADS = AV advantage

1 infantry vs 1 ADS= ADS wins

2 infantry AV vs 1 or more ADS= Infantry AV wins

Most of threads are about people gettin the short end of the stick in each situation. Think outside the box.

Tank nerfs are always preceding by Infantry who know not the role bitching
on the forums about it.

the same could be said about vehicle drivers vs. AV

"Could be"?

You mean

"Is always"