@ Rattati

Not going to disagree with your experiences, but do you mind if I try to put them into context?

Any competent tanker will more often or not simply drive away. Vet tankers are also used to the ins and outs of AV, they know gunlogis are the most effective defense against swarms, the most common AV, and PLCs are too rare to really be taken as a legit threat.

The biggest threat to a tank has always been another tank. This lead to rapid cull of militia/ part time tankers. Its only a tough solid core of tankers left from the 1.7 tank bonanza.

Also, you need some significant alpha to kill a tank on the first go. A vet tanker knows he has the hp to survive alpha vs 1 AV. VS 2 AV the balance is in the AVs favor, time to retreat and pick them off. Its a wierd sort of balance where 1 tank beats 1 AV but two AV beat 1 tank.

On your suits, Minandos wreck dropships because of high sustained damage, and dropship have only open sky to hide behind. Shield tanks can negate most of that damage and turn a corner to getaway.

Since you're a big gallente fan i'm surprised your not useing a proto galmando for AV PLC. It has high HP, high native regen, +10% damage, + 10% reload speed, throw on a breach AR and a K2 and you have a much better chance than running up at a tank with a scout.

As I said just before, if AV was that powerful why would anybody use vehicles at all? What's the point of all those vehicles skills then? What's the point that of Rattati trying to bring hulls back? Why have vehicles at all?

I'm sure you want it to be one second, probably less. Double swarm Minmando can take out an unhardened armor tank in 5 volleys. I would know, it's happened to me. So that's a little over 5 seconds. That's unacceptable

We can't always hear them. Experience can't be factored in. Experience leads to nerfs. We get handicapped because we have experience.

Switching to a second swarm is 0 reload time. Play the game more than once every 3 months.

I'm going to stick up spkr here, albeit in a limited fashion. I would livid at a double swarm minando on a rooftop.

That being said, thats the rarest form of AV i have seen or heard of. I would call it one a in a million but there arent that many people on dust. Non hardened armor tanks are regular enough. Dual swarm minandos, no way.

You know guys, since the HAV and Turret feedback threads closed, I was wondering how long it would take for threads like these crop up.


Ahhhh, so familiar.

Also, lets remove proto-suits in the game that are incredibly tough to 1v1 in basic or militia suits. 1 = 1 right? Even for Infantry.

Tank nerfs are always preceding by Infantry who know not the role bitching
on the forums about it.

"Could be"?

You mean

"Is always"

False, a Gallante Commando with Dual PLC's can bring my unhardened 5300 shields to 1000.

I usually don't need to spend time thinking of a reply, or spending 3 seconds to read and absorb every single word. I can fire out responses quickly because I know what does and what does not work. I can point out when people lie as well, like someone saying a Soma can tank 7000 damage launched in a few seconds.

^Breakin, I didn't mean to imply that forge guns should be left at current (pre operation) charge values. Much like the plasma cannon I'd like to see them standardized at their current (max operation) charge values. Forge guns do need some improving (notably on the standard / breach variants).

And if minmatar explosive bonus is a non-factor why is EVERYONE running that suit? EVERYONE. I can see it several times a match and a lot of the time it's from PC corps. All adv/proto minmando with 2x damage mods and wiyrkomi swarms. It may not have an 'effect' on dropship TTK, but something seems out of line with it being so omnipresent.

In short I want to see some of the gap closed between basic and proto on both sides and I want vehicle players to stay on the field where they can be worn down instead of running away to the red line the moment they don't have modules up.

I'm just throwing these hypotheticasl at you. If you could endure AV from several players, wouldn't you be better off running before your modules reach cooldown anyways? Isnt this what we currently have with armor AV engaging shield tanks? Putting us right back at square one?

All I've said is that I want vehicle SP and ISK to be worth it. Never have I said I want to be invincible.

I gotta ask, are you just looking at the "stock" tank? If so, you are doing it wrong.

I want things to go back to exactly as they were after 1.6 hit.

Indestructible triple rep maddie.
Stacking damage mods.
Insane MLT nitros.
Infantry tears.
Super OP ADS
Pinpoint accurate large blasters.

Ect.

There is absolutely NO reason anything but another tank should even stand a chance against me. Come on guys, things were fair and balanced just the way they should be back then. Kinda like Fox News.