Says a guy that thinks because he has SP into vehicles, that makes him a tanker.

Oh, and my crazy month of PC experience > your assumptions based on very little experience.

Still too OP for Spker they need to be nerfed meow, how do you expect balanced game if tanks are being pelted by cotton balls and causing them to drive off backwards in a straight line.... up a hill.... with 1200 shields.... and 4000 armor

Your narrative of continuous nerfs is completely demolished by the simple reality that the Gunnlogi right now is basically invincible if its piloted by someone who isnt a complete moron.

How do you explain how effective the gunnlogi is while still pretending tanks have been nerfed into the ground?

However that doesn't change as Vesta said that a Gunnlogi and a mild case of competency makes you effectually invincible on the field unless the JLAV'c come rolling in.

That's not right. Hell I never felt like more of a scrub than when I picked up the Shield HAV...... made everything so easy and boring.

Also one of your previous statements has me concerned when you talk about Railguns and skill...... you fire a round every 1.8 seconds and have very fair turret tracking values and stability. To put it into perspective you should try getting used to tanks that fire every 10.4 seconds and can't accurately be fired while on the move.....

However that doesn't change as Vesta said that a Gunnlogi and a mild case of competency makes you effectually invincible on the field unless the JLAV'c come rolling in.

That's not right. Hell I never felt like more of a scrub than when I picked up the Shield HAV...... made everything so easy and boring.

Also one of your previous statements has me concerned when you talk about Railguns and skill...... you fire a round every 1.8 seconds and have very fair turret tracking values and stability. To put it into perspective you should try getting used to tanks that fire every 10.4 seconds and can't accurately be fired while on the move.....

Intelligence is OP.

Dude you need to get YOUR head around this.

Vesta I'm pretty sure tanks. I drive tanks. I switched from the Madrugar to the Gunnlogi when I couldn't delude myself any further that the Shield HAV was statistically better in every sense than its armour counter part and that while using it could essentially be invincible.

Yes I am a tanker and I am saying that I almost have to try to **** up to have AV destroy me while I use a Gunnlogi...... oddly for me I do better Anti Infantry in a Sica for some reason but that's besides the point.

For what the Gunnlogi is, that being a standard or T1 tank hull, it is too cheap and too effective to justify the level of power it puts me on, especially in that it naturally has, with the current AV of Dust, great natural resistances and additional 15% more effecient resistances than its armour counter part allowing it to have the following.

-Superior eHP values
-165 regen sec after a manable 3-4 second cool down without the requirements of a module.
-40% hardeners which are currently the cause of the superior eHP values
-Better fitting stats
-Better mobility attributes

Putting all of these things together has yielded a tank that is understandably rather over powered.

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

1 player = 1 player
A single AVer should be able to stand toe to toe with any single vehicle.

Stop with all this "teamwork for thee, but not for me" bullshit.
Accept that 1 player should be able to kill you without too much trouble, because that's just how good FPSs work.

If you ask me, I think you're going about it all wrong.

AV should be concerned with point defense and area denial, not necessarily killing vehicles all the time. Good positioning needs to be sought as well, you can't expect to just run up to an HAV and kill it every time solo. AV needs to distract vehicles from their other targets, either by forcing them to engage AVers or to flee, but I still hold that a single AVer should not necessarily kill a vehicle every time except when in very good position or having set a good trap, etc.

I think this is by far the best thing we have ever heard. The head of development on our game is tired of hearing the sausage is tasty by a few loud people and is walking into line to try one like everyone else.

Yes, AV against shields is weak currently. Sorry vehicle guys, it happens. My militia sica pushes around 2 proto swarmers and yes, I am a jerk by jumping out in my heavy and feeding them some hmg.

I think the coolest thing I saw in your post is that you understand AV grenades are not worth it unless you are standing next to a supply depot. They need work - plain and simple.

My last observation for everyone who is complaining he is doing it wrong: Think about this, he is a noobish player running proto AV against non-proto vehicles and losing. He probably is going to tune out all the talk of AV being OP going forward.

Ratiti - +1 those vehicles weren't in a PC, it is worse there with people bringing their best. If you don't have a vehicle you will lose to a vehicle heavy team outright. I liked the post from the tanker about REs, that is so true.

Not really mate. I agree that tanks shouldn't be so tough to kill you don't even bother, but I'm against them being weak and not having proper weapons systems.

However you know as well as I do that there will always be those people who dime the system. Not illegitimately by because they can use their tools to become worth more than the 1 = 1 paradigm.

Regardless of what is done tankers will find ways to burns the maps and teams to the ground because that's what they do.

I find it hilarious that you think there's a tank nerf in the offing

oh i know hun i was just being sarcastic the last part is actually what happened when i came across spker and i was using a dual swarm minmando

Yeah I am concerned the new tanks are going to have a similar base HP as the current LAV, and everyone is trying to balance the numbers around a tank being able to pop in one reload because ' It's not fair that a tank doesn't pop when I shoot in its general vicinity for 10 seconds', when I can't remember the last time drove a tank towards the letter for support and one of the following hasn't occurred in combination to one guy with proto swarms:

A. Another tank starts firing on you - with swarms and missiles = near insta pop

B. A manned 15, 000 ehp rail turret in redline - with swarms = near insta pop

C. Every infantry player near a supply depot switching to commando or forger = insta pop

D. Any 2 AV that have put a days worth of sp into AV, = unhardened certain death, hardened race to the redline.

E. A random Flux, AV Nade, Remote/mine combo, = with swarms near insta death.

First of all, let's make the scenario rediculous by saying there are no friendly tanks available and no installations to man.

When a tank starts rolling around, the consensus is not ' it's ok we have a forger that only needs to reload once if he doesn't hit the sweet spot, just ignore it " or ' don't worry those two blueberry scouts are chasing it with militia swarms it's as good as dead '...... anyone killed by a red tank spawns in with AV nades on thier fit or fluxes MINIMUM. Everyone around a supply depot immediately swaps to thier most powerful AV fit, every squad with OBS checks to see if they can at least drop a minor Flux on said tank.

10,000 EHP is nothing when a team is focused on taking you down.

If a team wanted a Thales sniper dead it would be dead, if a team wanted a rooftop uplink gin it would be gone.

My concern is if players start sinking thier sp into these slow behemoth tanks, and every time ' killed by sagaris ion cannon ' comes up in the kill feed AV goes giant hunting, that the AV community is going to start an uproar about pilots not being able to get out of their redline, asking for webifiers and redline tank nerfs because it's not 'fair' that they didn't get to pop a tank.

I have lost countless tanks driving into the enemy redline trying to make another tanker dead, not because it helped the team win the match, but simply to chase the dragon, which is what most AV players are doing.

Tanks are like mini bosses that roll in and distract infantry enough to get the friendly hack off, if they get a couple kills with thier hardners are up they can be sure the next hardner cycle will get them hit twice as hard if you don't get popped.