And thus you've finally reached the point of the conversation where everyone has been saying "Vehicles need a more defined role on the battlefield." Congrats.

However that doesn't change as Vesta said that a Gunnlogi and a mild case of competency makes you effectually invincible on the field unless the JLAV'c come rolling in.

That's not right. Hell I never felt like more of a scrub than when I picked up the Shield HAV...... made everything so easy and boring.

Also one of your previous statements has me concerned when you talk about Railguns and skill...... you fire a round every 1.8 seconds and have very fair turret tracking values and stability. To put it into perspective you should try getting used to tanks that fire every 10.4 seconds and can't accurately be fired while on the move.....

Dude you need to get YOUR head around this.

Vesta I'm pretty sure tanks. I drive tanks. I switched from the Madrugar to the Gunnlogi when I couldn't delude myself any further that the Shield HAV was statistically better in every sense than its armour counter part and that while using it could essentially be invincible.

Yes I am a tanker and I am saying that I almost have to try to **** up to have AV destroy me while I use a Gunnlogi...... oddly for me I do better Anti Infantry in a Sica for some reason but that's besides the point.

For what the Gunnlogi is, that being a standard or T1 tank hull, it is too cheap and too effective to justify the level of power it puts me on, especially in that it naturally has, with the current AV of Dust, great natural resistances and additional 15% more effecient resistances than its armour counter part allowing it to have the following.

-Superior eHP values
-165 regen sec after a manable 3-4 second cool down without the requirements of a module.
-40% hardeners which are currently the cause of the superior eHP values
-Better fitting stats
-Better mobility attributes

Putting all of these things together has yielded a tank that is understandably rather over powered.

Guys, tanks aren't that hard to run off if you work as a team.
Also consider the price of a well-fit tank. They aren't meant
to lose as many of them per game as a dropsuit.

Tank nerfs are always preceding by Infantry who know not the role bitching
on the forums about it.

By any chance Rattati were you facing Shield Gunlogis?
Because Shield Gunlogis are a pain by itself but then you have the dual tanked issue which makes it even worse Rattati.

I run Plasma Cannon as my only AV and you are correct, it is painfully UP even against shields when compared to swarms which it's supposed to be good at but even then Swarms outperform PLCs against a defense they are supposed to be weak against.

Madrugars on the other hand are pretty easy for me to take out compared to Gunlogis and even Sicas that are properly fitted. But that's more of an issue of the Gallente HAVs being terrible.


I digress and have no clue what I'm rambling on about but what I'm trying to say is that Dual Tanked Gunlogis are the main issue with HAVs right now. The ease of dual tanking is way too easy and way too effective and coupled with the fact that all AV save for one is weak against shields you're always going to have a terrible time taking out HAVs in this game as long as this meta is around.