If you managed 16/0 on your second match, sounds like you're still more than adequately powerful, given the extreme rarity I can get anywhere NEAR doing 16/0 on the ground. o_O

Glad to hear you actually lost a dropship in a pub match. Hotfix working as intended.

While there's no substitute for skill, I don't see how the success of FOUR people dedicated to neutralizing him, regardless of any skill deficit, indicates any problem with ADS'.

GVGMODE, why should ADSes be able to kill infantry if infantry can't kill ADSes? Why is the main goal of every class to generally kill other players, but you think people shouldn't be able to kill you?

GVGMODE, why should ADSes be able to kill infantry if infantry can't kill ADSes? Why is the main goal of every class to generally kill other players, but you think people shouldn't be able to kill you?

You can kill the swarm gunner.

Something requiring skill or not is not a balance consideration.

Does it work yes/no

Does it always work without fail? Yes/no

Does it have an effective counter? Yes/no

This elitist BS about only tactics that require "skill" being valid ones is crap. If it works it should be used. Just because you're butthurt about fire and forget does not invalidate it as a tactical or balance consideration.

Skill is relative and subject to extremes of one's opinion.

Numbers matter. Your assessment of skill does not.

You're angry that rock doesn't have an equal chance of killing paper? I'm not saying changes don't need to be made, but your expectations seem ridiculous...

Have you tried carrying a passenger in your dropship, and you know, DROPPING them off on the swarmer's head?

A swarmer can't defend himself against infantry, unless he's a commando or is particularly good with a sidearm. Swarms are the only weapon that can't shoot infantry, making them by far the most crippled weapon in the game. And until yesterday, they couldn't kill vehicles either.

Meanwhile, most people can't defend themselves from an ADS. You cry about your poor ADS, as you one or two shot an assault rifle that literally has nothing that can even do damage to you. Yet an ADS can damage every single player in the game.



Now it is, for the first time since 1.7 released.

Very expensive skills like weapon proficiencies (5x, I believe) offer like 3% damage increase per level. Rate of fire is fairly comparable to damage.

Standard forge guns are superior to swarms in almost every way.

1. They do more damage.
2. They're a lot more likely to actually hit their target.
3. They hit faster.
4. They can fire further.
5. They can't be outrun or dodged.
6. They can be charged behind cover (unlike swarms requiring line of sight to lock).

For a few months I did almost nothing but swarm-based AV, until 1.7 when they stopped being able to damage... anything really. Vehicles were still overbearingly unmanageable, so I moved into forges for AV, and I was amazed at all of the advantages. Even with swarms being buffed as they are, I will still likely favor forges. Though I'm trying to get some good swarm testing in.

Vulpes, what you're shrugging off as "navigation mishaps" is the primary limitation of swarms. Around a city socket, you can assume half of all swarms will miss. And swarms should be the best AV weapon, theoretically, since they completely sacrifice anti-infantry capability, unlike the forge.

Thankfully, the game was balanced for Hotfix Delta based on hard numbers and statistics, not my personal skill. :)

We're both discussing our personal opinions, really. The fact that the ADS was statistically OP isn't really debatable. It's a fact. But we don't have statistics yet for Delta, so there's no facts to be had yet.

Where is the rest of the CPM? I only see this nimrod who is mad because he's not very good at the game.

Maybe if you join a thread and go against what the community you are oblivious to the issue.

^ Looks like that Swarmer has every advantage over the ADS!
Pre-Delta, you say!?

Boggles the mind how ADS didn't drop like flies.
Quite the opposite, in fact.

But that can't be. AV had so many advantages.
:: scratches head ::