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DROPSHIP CAPTAIN ICE-9 PROJECT 38	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game......
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2802	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:42:00 - [2] - Quote I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game? To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works? The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore. So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 578	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:45:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game? To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works? The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore. So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2802	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:48:00 - [4] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game? To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works? The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore. So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is. Would you prefer there was nothing?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 582	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:49:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game? To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works? The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore. So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is. Would you prefer there was nothing? Is there a difference?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2803	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:50:00 - [6] - Quote Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote If only OP The last lot would have been voted out instantly after the fanfest legion show and cpm would have died a quick death and never returned but alas its not to be We have to deal with a group of sub par pub players (excluding zatara the only good player with pc experience) trying to communicate with ccp which is mostly like a brick wall anyways who do there own thing and ignore the community while changing things on a whim which ends up with FOTM because they are short sighted and have no long term plan apart from being 'laser focused on pulling the dust plug' Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2803	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:54:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 582	Posted - 2014.08.14 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference. It's fun to say that this is what's going on - but where's the evidence CPM is having any effect at all? Talking to CCP directly means about the same if they ignore you too.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 583	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:00:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:04:00 - [11] - Quote So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 583	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:06:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1538	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:06:00 - [13] - Quote wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something? CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14693	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote Weren't the CPM voted in off something like 96 votes? LMFAO Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:09:00 - [15] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want
13ard Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 - [16] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao TIL. Youtuber's votes don't count.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 - [17] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Is there a point here? I don't see a point. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:10:00 - [18] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Dont forget alts aswell
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:11:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jammeh McJam New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:12:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I see you're upset, what about? Charlie? How have you determined that those elected don't care about the game? To what certainty is your understanding of how CPM works? The election process is a democracy, the actual interactions with the Devs are not. CPM does not get to vote, they don't get to decide. They advise, and offer insight, but they have zero power over what CCP ultimately decides to do. They can insist, and CCP can ignore. So if you're upset about a change, if you're angry about some nerf or buff, remember that the final decision for everything is always in CCP's hands. Thank you for pointing out how completely useless CPM actually is. Would you prefer there was nothing? Yep "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2803	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:13:00 - [21] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit. The point of the matter is that the Devs don't play the game as much as the players do, they don't understand the fine mechanics of know which feedback is accurate, and which is BS. The players on the other hand have a very deep understanding of the game, and that's why they're invaluable. If every thread in feedback was accurate? Sure, then I'd agree, but it's not. The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor. So you have two potential situations. 1. Devs listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP responds accordingly. If this is the case, CPM improved the quality of the game and thus it's a good thing. 2. Devs don't listen to CPM1 - CPM delivers concentrated accurate feedback collected from the players and CCP ignores them. If this is the case, CPM had no effect on the quality of the game, and you should be bitching about CCP, not CPM. Both of these situations are possible, CPM's existence is a positive for #1, and not a factor for #2. So by saying "I don't want the CPM, stop cramming it down our throats" you're really saying "I don't want to support a program which may have a positive impact on the game".
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:14:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? Since less than 10% of the playerbase voted for them im sure out of the remaining 90% we can find enough to get rid of the cpm The cpm has been useless and ccp have just used it for there own needs like after legion fanfest IWS was wheeled out to defend ccp and thats all they ever seem to do is defend ccp and do nothing for the community You can address it by leaving since you dont really do much anyways, not going to miss the cpm if it never did anything worthwhile to begin with
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12900	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Having the devs at least getting concentrated input vs no input at all? Yea, I'd say that's a difference. Laser focused bro...... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Jammeh McJam New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? 937 votes, each person has 7 votes to spread out... Sooooo 937 ++ 7? "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6417	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:15:00 - [25] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:16:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :) lol 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Frankly cpm cant do anything, it will be the agreements with sony, ccp and profits which will talk not puppets
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 405	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:16:00 - [27] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something? The majority of what is left of the player base knows CPM has no influence over CCP. The 5k is about right, its just most of us know its pointless. I'd say the rest are torn between Judge's vote for me youtube campaign and the rest of whatever was left was probably friends voting for friends so that their friends can get that nifty CPM tag.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2803	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:17:00 - [28] - Quote I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:18:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people. SUPERDOUBLEWRISTARMSHATTERINGFACEPALM Im sorry was there an option to not have the cpm? No there wasnt so why would you vote for something that you dont want to exist?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:18:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Is there a point here? I don't see a point. I wouldn't want to see the point either if it meant my tag might be taken away. I voted, and for you Soraya, but admit it, your position is useless. 1v1 talks with CCP has proven ineffective completely, it didn't stop a years worth of bad updates and lies, and it didn't stop CCP putting a knife to there throats to shut them up about CCP's plan to milk then abandon us. The only real thing you guys can do, warn us of CCP's drastic changes, and you can't even do that. CPM proved it's point - you guys are the most popular who tried - congrats. Time to move on and accept your position is that of a janitor, to clean up CCP's terrible community management.

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14693	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:19:00 - [31] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of ** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:19:00 - [32] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2805	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:21:00 - [33] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads But you just said they don't listen to CPM, so there's no resource cost, right?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2805	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of **** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. sniff You think I'm a random?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 - [35] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads But you just said they don't listen to CPM, so there's no resource cost, right? So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:24:00 - [36] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads CCP already has a staff that sends these threads to where they need to go to be broken down and analyzed to help the game - which makes CPM's position even further useless.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:24:00 - [37] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people. SUPERDOUBLEWRISTARMSHATTERINGFACEPALM Im sorry was there an option to not have the cpm? No there wasnt so why would you vote for something that you dont want to exist? Why would you not want a CPM? It sounds like you want CCP in control of everything, which is a terrible idea IMO. They need to talk with the players. Since they can't talk with everyone, having a set of elected representatives is the next best option. Unless you think that the CPM is actually HARMFUL to player-developer relations, your argument holds ZERO weight. If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. People love to claim that "Democracy doesn't work" or "They don't do anything, so why are they here?" It doesn't work because people aren't active in it. It's the same problem with America right now. People are too lax in asserting their rights as citizens. Don't like what your congressman is doing? Don't vote for him. If enough people do this, he WILL NOT be re-elected. People go through this with cruise control on, and expect good results. It doesn't work that way. Want to have impact? Vote for someone that reflects your views as CPM. And then TALK to them. I have more than one CPM member on skype, and I talk with them frequently about what I think should be done. If everyone did something similar, less people would complain, as decisions pushed by the CPM would be more in tune with the community. /democracy rant FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:25:00 - [38] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor. Indeed Pokey. And my BS detector just won't stop going off about this thread. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:26:00 - [39] - Quote Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14694	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:26:00 - [40] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of **** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. sniff You think I'm a random? Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:27:00 - [41] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters. You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence. Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them. And thank you for playing.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1538	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:28:00 - [42] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Both of these situations are possible, CPM's existence is a positive for #1, and not a factor for #2. So by saying "I don't want the CPM, stop cramming it down our throats" you're really saying "I don't want to support a program which may have a positive impact on the game". I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. CPM is useless, dust is dead. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:28:00 - [43] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:30:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:30:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:31:00 - [47] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [48] - Quote Only thing I've known that CPM had been batting for on the forums that later showed up in a patch was the complete reworking of how tanks function, I think it was IWS who talked about how tanks should be highly mobile with waves of opportunity. That brought us 1.7 tank514. I have no idea what else was them since Uprising, If it was them that pushed the logi reworking and the ****** assault bonuses that would be two more strikes against them. I do know though that (I know they were under NDA and would face being blacklisted for the possibility of working with companies with NDAs) they didn't warn the community what they knew was months in the works that would of most certainly had people pull their spending. When people do this ** on kickstarter everyone hates them, but when a company does this, well they did what they thought was best hurrr durrr. I don't care personally if we have CPMs but they haven't in the past mattered much, unless someone can cite a point where they actually did influence a good decision from CCP.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3859	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [49] - Quote I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [50] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:33:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. Thats one example Thats pretty much been your only thing as cpm in like your 1st month and straight away you laid down and rolled over for ccp while they threw you a cookie It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it So if this what cpm1 is going to be like of the little things then i can defo say i can expect nothing on the bigger things Thanks for playing
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:33:00 - [52] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:34:00 - [53] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Because I can't think for myself apparently? These are MY thoughts, not anyone else. Don't be this way SoTa. Continuing down this line of thinking will do nothing but diminish the respect I have for you. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:34:00 - [54] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'(
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:35:00 - [55] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [56] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Because I can't think for myself apparently? These are MY thoughts, not anyone else. Don't be this way SoTa. Continuing down this line of thinking will do nothing but diminish the respect I have for you. You must be talking about a different SoTa, this is the General Discussions SoTa PoP, a ruthless mofo who will hammer a point until it forges itself exactly the way I want, because the way I want it is the best thing for all of you.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [57] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF to. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same ****. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16181	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [58] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Stop giving them Hope Zatara! CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [59] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship This game does nothing but ** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Destiny just finally reminded me what it was to have fun in a game instead of feeling like a chore. I'm disappointed that there won't be any real vehicle play, but I'll survive lol. The lack of players who understand dropship vs AV balance, and the amount of those who just regurgitate garbage just makes me want to puke. Beyond done trying to make sense of it, I'm just moving on. I'm not even excited for Legion anymore because by the time that comes out, No Mans Sky will be out, and Star Citizen will either be out or will soon be out at that point. DUST has turned me off entirely from all CCP products for the foreseeable future Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [60] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there. You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things. You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [61] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [62] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters. You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence. Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them. And thank you for playing. Mostly a negative because they add a layer of bs which is filled with a few selected idiots who frankly are pub stars at best (excluding zatara but outnumber 6 to 1 anyways) The whole group is less than 10% btw so its a selected group for the few and obv not the many
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [63] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? Doesn't CSM release scripts of there meetings or at least ball points to what was discussed?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [64] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'( It's ******** that it isn't. Final Fantasy XIV has Cross-Play for PS3, PS4, and PC. Yet Destiny can't manage? It's stupid. I don't think I've ever played a game with you before SoTa, we should link up in Destiny too, get some face shooting in.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16181	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [65] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? They're NDA'ed CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:37:00 - [66] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This game does nothing but **** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Then why are you here? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:38:00 - [67] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'( While it does suck, at the very least it's nice that your character isn't locked to either system. So, if they get a PS4, they can use their character. Also with PS4 getting the Share software in the future, they may not even have to buy the game right away in order to play with you. Certainly not ideal, but it's nice that the option is there at least. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:38:00 - [68] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [69] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right? They're NDA'ed I was speaking to Takahiro, since he seems to apparently know what goes on in the meetings despite not being on the council. I'm well aware of what's NDA
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5109	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [70] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... Right. Because people who are willing to give up their time for a game clearly shows how much they don't like the game they are making time for. CPM is a pretty selfless job regardless of the chances to possibly push ones agenda. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:39:00 - [71] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. Do I have proof? Yes, yes I do. Please, refer to the old CPM section where we interacted with the CPM and they relayed some of what was going on. Council Chambers I believe, now, scroll around, and look at the topics. Notice a trend of what still sucks and what CPM is supposedly talking to CCP about? They aren't doing jack that isn't being accomplished in detail in the feedback section. If anything, the threads Nova has made show-cases just how poorly CCP is interacting with CPM that they had to PUBLICLY call them out on it - and from what I understand it only worked for a month of extra communication before going back to almost never seeing them. Shame I also can't share private conversations with CPM.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3057	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:40:00 - [72] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:40:00 - [73] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This game does nothing but ** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Then why are you here? To rustle you jimmies and amuse myself while I wait for Destiny to come out. And as I've said, I don't play anymore. Haven't in months. The game is uninstalled from all my systems and all my ISK has been handed out. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16183	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:41:00 - [74] - Quote Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:42:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? You probably should of opened with "We haven't had a chance to influence anything yet" instead of "You don't know what we are doing!"
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:43:00 - [76] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? lol, reminds me of Uprising, CPM took so much crap, yet they weren't around long enough to make a difference. Now, fast forward a year later with working with CPM. "Welcome to Legion!" .... LMAO@!~ We thought **** was bad BEFORE CPM - WITH CPM we were just straight up abandoned. Hahahahaha
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:43:00 - [77] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? So then if ccp has already decided whats going in, why do we need you? You got voted in on 22nd, add a week to start and thats not even the 1st, so your slow aswell
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:44:00 - [78] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding'
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6426	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:46:00 - [79] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know! Following that line of logic, do you have any proof explicitly showing that the Devs ignore the CPM (Which would be proof positive that they are a waste)? If so, please bring it here. I'm sure it would be more convincing than almost anything else you could say. Do I have proof? Yes, yes I do. Please, refer to the old CPM section where we interacted with the CPM and they relayed some of what was going on. Council Chambers I believe, now, scroll around, and look at the topics. Notice a trend of what still sucks and what CPM is supposedly talking to CCP about? They aren't doing jack that isn't being accomplished in detail in the feedback section. If anything, the threads Nova has made show-cases just how poorly CCP is interacting with CPM that they had to PUBLICLY call them out on it - and from what I understand it only worked for a month of extra communication before going back to almost never seeing them. Shame I also can't share private conversations with CPM. Link it. Also: I just said that the CPM can't do whatever they want. If you want to be p*ssed about anything, complain the Devs, not the CPM. All they do is try to tell CCP what their reps want. They don't have the final say, and they really don't have too much power. They are our VOICES. That doesn't mean that CCP will LISTEN. All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 409	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:47:00 - [80] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding' It was probably as a bitter joke much like how players wanted Viktor to name the Laser Rifle "Laser Focused."

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2808	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:48:00 - [81] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Doesn't CSM release scripts of there meetings or at least ball points to what was discussed? Yes but they need to be cleared by CCP first, kind of a declassification process to make sure stuff that's still a secret for future development isn't in there.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:48:00 - [82] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3860	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:49:00 - [83] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF too, publicly, as you are being now. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same **. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it. "Legit" CPM were optimistic about what exactly...one quit and all the rest were outraged over FF. Shoveling what ** exactly? That things are happening behind NDA? You can presume what you like. I can't assuage your assumptions because NDA, but things are happening. <3 B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:49:00 - [84] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. Thats wrong your still in cpm Must be stockhome syndrome, no sane person would vote for more 'rouge wedding' I wanted IWS, Kevall, Cross, and Soraya together on CPM. These are guys who can help and speak to CCP with little to no biased for PC over NPE Besides Keval, which is what we need him for and we can trust they'll take the time to learn and understand what is going on. The rest of the CPM Cough were voted in out of popularity contests. No one believes for a second they have any background or ability to actually contribute, hopefully they'll cough just be a loud enough voice to echo what the other CPM's can't say loud enough. Not that it matters, they're just ignored in person compared to just being ignored on the forums like us, lol.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6432	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:50:00 - [85] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3860	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:50:00 - [86] - Quote The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:51:00 - [87] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly?
Roner General Ancient Exiles. 497	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:51:00 - [88] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. haha i cant even believe you're CPM but w/e kinda turns me on tru #TueReligion
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6432	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:55:00 - [89] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly? You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:55:00 - [90] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: The CPM is also still in its infancy. But all the same concerns you have about the CPM were probably once leveled at the CSM. The CSM had proven over and over it's usefulness and the CPM have that capacity as well. My truck can lift 3 tons of weight on it's back, that's it's capacity. Will it ever reach it's capacity? Probably not, why? Because I won't use it to that capacity. CCP is the driver, you're the truck. And the community are the pedestrians walking around you, clueless that CCP driving you means that there lives are in danger.

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:56:00 - [91] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. I spent two years trying to "accomplish" something. And in that time I've learned that it's pointless. Why waste effort on a dying game that makes changes on a whim, randomly, back and forth like a drunken seesaw? Why bother arguing with a community of mentally stunted scrubs who swear up and down that they understand the game, and with a company who happily listens to them and makes changes based on that feedback? Why attempt to communicate with a company who would happily give any of those players a seat in the CPM to directly engage with CCP if they're but voted in by the same mass of incompetent players? Im just here for my own amusement, nothing more. Please don't mistake my posts as some attempt to change anything. The ship is sinking, and I already stole a lifeboat. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 590	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:01:00 - [92] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly? You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. Ghost, no offense, I'm sure you call yourself a 'vet', but compared to my time here you're still green behind the ears. You have no idea what you're talking about. Want an example? Last years septemember/august tournament. In game tournament footage shows AE's Arirana using Melee glitch to one shot several players instantly nearby each other. Me, and maybe around 20 others, literally 20+ others, all send the link of the video plus our eye witness reports of seeing it done in competitive matches throughout PC against this particular player. What did talking to the 'big boys' do? Not a damn thing, we proved cheating occurred in tournament, nothing happened. Wasn't even fixed or promised to be fixed. So what did we do? I went to GD and made a big ******* deal about it. A day later, we get several responses from CCP explaining the situation and why it happens and what they believe the time frame will be to resolve it. Did CPM accomplish this for us? No, I did, by bitching in GD and getting everyone involved. CPM is useless.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6437	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:01:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. I spent two years trying to "accomplish" something. And in that time I've learned that it's pointless. Why waste effort on a dying game that makes changes on a whim, randomly, back and forth like a drunken seesaw? Why bother arguing with a community of mentally stunted scrubs who swear up and down that they understand the game, and with a company who happily listens to them and makes changes based on that feedback? Why attempt to communicate with a company who would happily give any of those players a seat in the CPM to directly engage with CCP if they're but voted in by the same mass of incompetent players? Im just here for my own amusement, nothing more. Please don't mistake my posts as some attempt to change anything. The ship is sinking, and I already stole a lifeboat. I'm sorry, I legitimately thought you were trying to be productive. I'll remember to discard that thought in the future. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14697	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:03:00 - [94] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm sorry, I legitimately thought you were trying to be productive. I'll remember to discard that thought in the future. Please do, for all our sakes. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14697	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:04:00 - [95] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. Ghost, no offense, I'm sure you call yourself a 'vet', but compared to my time here you're still green behind the ears. You have no idea what you're talking about. Want an example? Last years septemember/august tournament. In game tournament footage shows AE's Arirana using Melee glitch to one shot several players instantly nearby each other. Me, and maybe around 20 others, literally 20+ others, all send the link of the video plus our eye witness reports of seeing it done in competitive matches throughout PC against this particular player. What did talking to the 'big boys' do? Not a damn thing, we proved cheating occurred in tournament, nothing happened. Wasn't even fixed or promised to be fixed. So what did we do? I went to GD and made a big ***** deal about it. A day later, we get several responses from CCP explaining the situation and why it happens and what they believe the time frame will be to resolve it. Did CPM accomplish this for us? No, I did, by bitching in GD and getting everyone involved. CPM is useless. GD best D Just sayin' Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 478	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:20:00 - [96] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? CPM will always suck because members of CPM have no idea how to do an even remotely professional job of being a representative which includes maintaining a level of respect when interacting with the community even when it's critical of you. First time on the forums in months, this is the first thread I see and this post reminds me why I don't play anymore, aka no future and ****** community reps.
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2129	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:20:00 - [97] - Quote This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Best PvE idea ever!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 594	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:24:00 - [98] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 412	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:25:00 - [99] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF too, publicly, as you are being now. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same **. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it. "Legit" CPM were optimistic about what exactly...one quit and all the rest were outraged over FF. Shoveling what ** exactly? That things are happening behind NDA? You can presume what you like. I can't assuage your assumptions because NDA, but things are happening. <3 After FF. You're doing a good job though, some matrix style dodging there, just claim ignorance and everyone will believe you honestly! "You guys I really mean it!!! Guyyyyssss!" As the guard says in morrowind, "I'm sure you'll fit right in."
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:32:00 - [100] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 413	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:34:00 - [101] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:35:00 - [102] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:37:00 - [103] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh... Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:38:00 - [104] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:40:00 - [105] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Is there a point here? I don't see a point. Those that choose not to see, will not see. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 414	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:40:00 - [106] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:41:00 - [107] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :) The game existed before the CPM was around, what makes you think it wouldn't exist if the CPM were abolished? We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:41:00 - [108] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? Soraya got elected by the players, not by CCP. There lies the biggest difference between the CPM0 and the CPM1. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2130	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:43:00 - [109] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? DUST is 1000x better than when Uprising launched. I'm pretty sure CPM has played a significant role in getting the game to this point. I don't think CPM had any say about the Legion decision, and I'm sure it will be much better with their feedback than none at all. I have a real dislike for some of the progression ideas in Legion. I hope that the CPM can help temper some of those proposed ideas. Best PvE idea ever!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3863	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:44:00 - [110] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3863	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:46:00 - [111] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? I think they see the problem of massively generalizing a point that is completely flawed. And the CPM were -before- uprising...but it's all good. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:48:00 - [112] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. If the devs talked to the community in the first place, instead of going about the changes blind, then they wouldn't have run into the problem in the first place. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:50:00 - [113] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. New in, sounds like he's been doing it for months already. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1539	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:51:00 - [114] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there. You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things. You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM. The "success" is that those 937 youtubers think their voice matters at all to CCP. You're nothing to them. Just a pretty facade to show around and say "oh look, we're so progressive and we listen to our players!" which can easily be abandoned when you do something they don't like. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:52:00 - [115] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise. When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Literally taken from your earlier post. These childish games you're playing feigning ignorance and backpedaling on what you just said doesn't make you clever. This is why a popularity contest (Of which only 10% voted in) was a terrible idea.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:52:00 - [116] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. Exactly my point. It went from really bad, to even worse.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:53:00 - [117] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Stop giving them Hope Zatara! At least he's trying to give the community hope. You dashed it all away like the doomed sailors of the USS Arizona. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3865	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:54:00 - [118] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: If the devs talked to the community in the first place, instead of going about the changes blind, then they wouldn't have run into the problem in the first place. Actually forum QQ unmoderated has caused a -lot- of poor changes in the past. If the Dev's were all acutely aware of their game they wouldn't need any help as they could balance off of the conglomerate of their experiences perhaps? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:55:00 - [119] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:55:00 - [120] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? DUST is 1000x better than when Uprising launched. I'm pretty sure CPM has played a significant role in getting the game to this point. I don't think CPM had any say about the Legion decision, and I'm sure it will be much better with their feedback than none at all. I have a real dislike for some of the progression ideas in Legion. I hope that the CPM can help temper some of those proposed ideas. Dust is a 1000x times better now? It was 10,000 times better before Uprising. And what does it matter if the game saw slight, and I do mean slight, improvements, when the end result was a trash bin and a lighter?

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:56:00 - [121] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. Exactly my point. It went from really bad, to even worse. Actually, Legion is great news to me. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [122] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Years to improve is the key phrase here. Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform?
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [123] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Echo will likely be the first unadultered Hotfix free from CPM 0 's influence. You're trying to make it sound as if you weren't in CPM0. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1539	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:57:00 - [124] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Too bad dust is already dead. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:58:00 - [125] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:59:00 - [126] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform? CCP never gave an expiration date. Just think of Dust as being in a coma. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1542	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [127] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform? CCP never gave an expiration date. Just think of Dust as being in a coma. With no chance of waking up. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [128] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, then say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16184	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 - [129] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14699	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:03:00 - [130] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Who says we want them to have an influence? Who says we want incompetent players who bring no level of professionalism or wisdom to the "position" to have any more influence than any other random? CPM1 was voted in off of what, no more than 200 people casting their 7 votes? What a joke. I didn't vote because I don't want CPM to have a say. I'd rather CCP sink their own ship than let some randoms help them along their way. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5692	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:05:00 - [131] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Hey! You know that's not true man! Zatara is a very, ** where's my script? Oh here it is.... ehr.... CPM is.... a very... important..... and relevant po...sition, ah **, who let Ghostt write this? Eh.... all hail glorious leader Zatata!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:06:00 - [132] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them and they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in rainbows and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3866	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:09:00 - [133] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:09:00 - [134] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. Can you please actually quote me, its hard to refute that I wanted you to break NDA when you don't actually quote me.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3162	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:12:00 - [135] - Quote DUST is dead, Legion is Vaporware, and CCP are their usual selves, so quit giving ***** all of you the Pro and Anti CPM folks. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:13:00 - [136] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. Oh okay I get it, when you say you are making a difference you aren't speaking on CCP's behalf. I had no idea that the CPM was actually supposed to not have any say or influence over the game. And here I thought the opposite was being claimed, my mistake. The rest is just more dodging. So is it NDA to not divulge what you did effect in charlie? Last I checked NDA's are not broken if you divulge public information. You're like a mentally challenged ninja dodging straight answers and claiming ignorance.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:14:00 - [137] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them as they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a front to show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in faeries and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community. I saw Fanfest 2014 and yes it was an epic PR disaster for Dust. But it still doesn't change my mind about the CPM. Let's move on now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 418	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:15:00 - [138] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 607	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:16:00 - [139] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 607	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:16:00 - [140] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stating these things? Are you kidding me? No, that's his post style, consider anything in bold his response to anything not bolded above it.

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3866	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [141] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... Wait...have we really strayed so far from the OP? Which CPM in your opinion doesn't care about Dust? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [142] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DontChimpOut wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? Soraya got elected by the players, not by CCP. There lies the biggest difference between the CPM0 and the CPM1. It makes no difference whether someone is appointed or elected. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16186	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:17:00 - [143] - Quote Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9063	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:20:00 - [144] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. ]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid. Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything. The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stated these things? Are you kidding me? That's actually how some of us respond. I do that too. EDIT: Wait, hold on. I think the quote chain got messed up on me here. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 608	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:20:00 - [145] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. And there you go folks, straight from CPM0 Quote: Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; Proof of CPM's ability to effect this game is pointless and useless. And don't pat yourself on the back for the LP gain - the entire community has been asking for that since we first found out how low it was.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3868	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:21:00 - [146] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have. God you're such a troll. "pretty much" is true...we did have an influence. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 419	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:22:00 - [147] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. Thank you for giving a straight answer. This does not make me hopeful for the rest of the new CPM if this is the way they are going to act.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:24:00 - [148] - Quote breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 608	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:28:00 - [149] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. [/b] Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What cpm doesnt push for gets tweeted by judge days before the hotfix because they have already given up So you're aware that Charlie was pretty much a done deal before we had our first meeting, right? I love it when CPM contradict each other. Really shows how much faith we can have. God you're such a troll. "pretty much" is true...we did have an influence. Are you ignoring the context of his post on purpose? How is it you effected Charlie if by the time your meeting took place Charlie was a "Done deal" Pretty much is just used as an emphasis here, seeing as the meeting took place 'after' charlie was a done deal according to Soraya. Now begone from my sight, peasant. You're CPM because the people who deserve it left.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1542	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:28:00 - [150] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5111	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:30:00 - [151] - Quote I officially disapprove of this thread. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5111	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:32:00 - [152] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Must resist hardcore joke.........must........resist........... A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1544	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:38:00 - [153] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Must resist hardcore joke.........must........resist........... ? I still remember my favorite 4th of july ever(celebrating beating up the english, just in case you don't know) where I almost blew one of my arms off with a homemade firework. I wasn't even drunk for that! CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
Immortal John Ripper 23874	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:38:00 - [154] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Murrica! I wana buy a 40 oz but I feel all poor having to pay for it in quarters. I miss you Robin Williams!
General John Ripper 23882	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:38:00 - [155] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Murrica! I wana buy a 40 oz... Vote Ripper 4 Goon.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9063	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:40:00 - [156] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Murrica! I wana buy a 40 oz... I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Caldari States of Amarrica and to the Minmatar Republic for which it stands. One nation under the Federation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all." On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 275	Posted - 2014.08.14 23:42:00 - [157] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow ** up. You don't have to 'esplain that ** to me, I'm the one who brought drinks and shoes appropriate for the occasion. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Michael Arck 5223	Posted - 2014.08.15 00:01:00 - [158] - Quote Knee jerk reaction. Mature the mind, charm, discuss and see what can produced. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 259	Posted - 2014.08.15 01:28:00 - [159] - Quote So much edge in this thread. Hurr we'd be better off without CPM! I wonder how quickly this game would go to **** if the forums were in charge of game design. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13	Posted - 2014.08.15 01:55:00 - [160] - Quote Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 619	Posted - 2014.08.15 02:04:00 - [161] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. If we wanted the CFC's opinion we'd beat it out of ya. ... which you guys get beat a lot, so feel free to give your opinions as you please.
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13	Posted - 2014.08.15 02:21:00 - [162] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. If we wanted the CFC's opinion we'd beat it out of ya. ... which you guys get beat a lot, so feel free to give your opinions as you please. Your rebellion has been duly noted. As of now, we will not be pursuing your termination from this game as your lack of participation and activity has met our in game removal requirements; furthermore, we expect most people to recognize this attempt to be the ravings of a broken soul.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5113	Posted - 2014.08.15 02:49:00 - [163] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Must resist hardcore joke.........must........resist........... ? I still remember my favorite 4th of july ever(celebrating beating up the english, just in case you don't know) where I almost blew one of my arms off with a homemade firework. I wasn't even drunk for that! I don't know whether you are trolling or just plain dumb. I'd say both. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 620	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:11:00 - [164] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. If we wanted the CFC's opinion we'd beat it out of ya. ... which you guys get beat a lot, so feel free to give your opinions as you please. Your rebellion has been duly noted. As of now, we will not be pursuing your termination from this game as your lack of participation and activity has met our in game removal requirements; furthermore, we expect most people to recognize this attempt to be the ravings of a broken soul. Bow when I speak, peasant. Do not presume to be my equal, when I come for you and your kind they will remember why their homes were burnt to the ground, and remember your name. The real powers of Molden Heath, uncorrupted by the powers of New Eden, do not take kindly to usurpers pretending to hold a throne of swords when they only hold a crown of thorns. I will give you one day to apologize for your rude behavior. If the apology is not met, or is insufficient, a fine will be sent to your establishment. Failure to pay this fine will lead to your assets in MH to be closed and placed under security forces until an auction can be held to distribute your possessions by market value. You will have a warrant out for your arrest, and detainment of any affiliates to your corrupted regime.
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 15	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:12:00 - [165] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. If we wanted the CFC's opinion we'd beat it out of ya. ... which you guys get beat a lot, so feel free to give your opinions as you please. Your rebellion has been duly noted. As of now, we will not be pursuing your termination from this game as your lack of participation and activity has met our in game removal requirements; furthermore, we expect most people to recognize this attempt to be the ravings of a broken soul. words lol
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 620	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:14:00 - [166] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. If we wanted the CFC's opinion we'd beat it out of ya. ... which you guys get beat a lot, so feel free to give your opinions as you please. Your rebellion has been duly noted. As of now, we will not be pursuing your termination from this game as your lack of participation and activity has met our in game removal requirements; furthermore, we expect most people to recognize this attempt to be the ravings of a broken soul. words lol You forgot the sorry.
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 180	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:34:00 - [167] - Quote Though I like the philosophical basis behind both arguments, both side have failed to provide legitimate evidence that supports their argument. I mean c'mon learn to have a smert arument ya fools cn u guise evn spel rite? Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2034	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:46:00 - [168] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You forgot the sorry. You're Sorry.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 621	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:55:00 - [169] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You forgot the sorry. You're Sorry. I am sorry. Sorry I gave you guys land that you couldn't hold onto.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:52:00 - [170] - Quote Hold on here a minute. As a CPM (my understanding anyways), you have the voice of the DUST 514 community. Really. HMMMMMM. Where do you guys meet? Where is a forum that you guys have to put forth thoughts and ideas to CCP? Is there any voting for things that we as the DUST community want to put into action? The member that I voted in would like to put forth a few ideas that are absolutely fantastic but heres the thing. I found out about it though Facebook. Not DUST 514. Strange eh. To be honest, this CPM position is not well taken by the community because it is a invisible reality. If this game has any life left in it, i ask you guys that have been voted as CPM to do one thing and one thing only. START DOING SOMETHING. BLOGS, FORUMS, TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, GIVING US SOME FEED BACK ON WHAT CCP IS TELLING YOU GUYS. I havent seen one thread posted by a CPM about Hot Fist F U C K Charlie. Come on guys do your jobs here or quit. Sorry guys just being honest. Manboy for CCP president.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2043	Posted - 2014.08.15 07:54:00 - [171] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: START DOING SOMETHING. BLOGS, FORUMS, TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, GIVING US SOME FEED BACK ON WHAT CCP IS TELLING YOU GUYS. THing to bear in mind: The CPM MUST sign a non-disclosure agreement. So when it comes to technical and planning aspects of the game? Unless CCP says "You may talk about this," or it's already public knowledge the CPM cannot talk about it without subjecting themselves to legal action. Quote: Manboy for CCP president. Why the hell would I want him in charge of the lot of them?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2043	Posted - 2014.08.15 07:56:00 - [172] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You forgot the sorry. You're Sorry. I am sorry. Sorry I gave you guys land that you couldn't hold onto. There was no "Couldn't." There was only "This is repetitive and dull. I'm tired of shoving a boot up Moron Lube's ass once a day. Fk it, let' the bastards have it. PC is stupid and pointless and pretty much a shfest. Since it's not fun, We're not gonna bother."
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 67	Posted - 2014.08.15 07:58:00 - [173] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something? Actually its probably more like 35% of this games active population that voted... which as far as voter turnout goes is still better than quite a few people and places in real life.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2045	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:15:00 - [174] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: wow. less than 1000 votes. so many people... didn't they claim 5k a day or something? Actually its probably more like 35% of this games active population that voted... which as far as voter turnout goes is still better than quite a few people and places in real life. average voting percentage in the US is... 20% Because 80% of the population can't be arsed to care who's in charge, or believes that their vote is a worthless one in a teeming sea of noise. I imagine if we had 80% voter turnout we'd see whether we as a nation are as dumb as the south and need to be purged or not. Unfortunately it's usually the people who are otherwise intelligent who decide that their votes are insignificant and don't matter.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 479	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:07:00 - [175] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Oh look, another sorry example of how completely clueless and out of place the CPM is. The only proof you need of a CPM member not caring about the game is the way he *** on/belittles the community. This guy is the poster child of the kind of knobs that pyrex said might be elected, those who just want to feel important, have status and be elevated above the rest. Way to represent the community, what an awesome rep you must appear to be to any poor new comer unfortunate enough to stumble across this **. Carry on kid, one day when you grow up you'll understand the weight that comes with a representative position and the need to keep your cool and not belittle the body you're white tag shows you represent. IWS was the only CPM0 that I respected and this probably holds true still if this kind of asshat behavior is shared by your cohorts.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2051	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:19:00 - [176] - Quote THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Oh look, another sorry example of how completely clueless and out of place the CPM is. The only proof you need of a CPM member not caring about the game is the way he *** on/belittles the community. This guy is the poster child of the kind of knobs that pyrex said might be elected, those who just want to feel important, have status and be elevated above the rest. Way to represent the community, what an awesome rep you must appear to be to any poor new comer unfortunate enough to stumble across this **. Carry on kid, one day when you grow up you'll understand the weight that comes with a representative position and the need to keep your cool and not belittle the body you're white tag shows you represent. IWS was the only CPM0 that I respected and this probably holds true still if this kind of asshat behavior is shared by your cohorts. Please hold still while I collect these tears...
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:21:00 - [177] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Oh look, another sorry example of how completely clueless and out of place the CPM is. The only proof you need of a CPM member not caring about the game is the way he *** on/belittles the community. This guy is the poster child of the kind of knobs that pyrex said might be elected, those who just want to feel important, have status and be elevated above the rest. Way to represent the community, what an awesome rep you must appear to be to any poor new comer unfortunate enough to stumble across this **. Carry on kid, one day when you grow up you'll understand the weight that comes with a representative position and the need to keep your cool and not belittle the body you're white tag shows you represent. IWS was the only CPM0 that I respected and this probably holds true still if this kind of asshat behavior is shared by your cohorts. Please hold still while I collect these tears... Wow dude every forum eh. And still doing stupid s h i t. Must feel good to continue on like this. Ahhhh. What am I talking about you know what you are doing. OR DO YOU? hahha dude your a funny guy. Or girl. Hmmmmm.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2051	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:25:00 - [178] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Wow dude every forum eh. And still doing stupid s h i t. Must feel good to continue on like this. Ahhhh. What am I talking about you know what you are doing. OR DO YOU? hahha dude your a funny guy. Or girl. Hmmmmm. I'm actually a fully-functioning bilateral hermaphrodite with an agenda involving making everyone around me intensely uncomfortable. And I work nights. So I'm up in the middle of the night at oh-dark-stupid without even an open bar. So I pop in here to see who's being an idiot and who's madposting. DUST forums have yet to fail to deliver.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:27:00 - [179] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Wow dude every forum eh. And still doing stupid s h i t. Must feel good to continue on like this. Ahhhh. What am I talking about you know what you are doing. OR DO YOU? hahha dude your a funny guy. Or girl. Hmmmmm. I'm actually a fully-functioning bilateral hermaphrodite with an agenda involving making everyone around me intensely uncomfortable. And I work nights. So I'm up in the middle of the night at oh-dark-stupid without even an open bar. So I pop in here to see who's being an idiot and who's madposting. DUST forums have yet to fail to deliver. Do you remember posting this bro. "Ok my only real complaint about the forge gun itself is the reticle shaking like an epileptic in a strobe party. Between that shaking and the glowball I do actually start getting an eyestrain headache." Your just as ******* whiny as the rest of us mann. Who you trying to kid bro.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2051	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:29:00 - [180] - Quote I got over it. You'd be amazed at how much having the correct prescription for contacts can fix problems.

BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:29:00 - [181] - Quote Your absolutely right Goon. This never fails to deliver bro. Good times mann. LOL. NOOB.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2052	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:32:00 - [182] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Your absolutely right Goon. This never fails to deliver bro. Good times mann. LOL. NOOB. You only win a troll thread when your opponent madposts. You are trying to cover up the fact that you STARTED madposting when we suggested it might be a troll. You failed with the first post. And quit trying to bait me. You're not collecting tears from me today. I only madpost when I'm baiting people.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:34:00 - [183] - Quote Wow dude. I cant beleive you are still going. Mann I stopped hours ago.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2052	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:36:00 - [184] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: Wow dude. I cant beleive you are still going. Mann I stopped hours ago. I can do this forever. Boredom is a powerful motivator. I just want to see if you're dumb enough to run your mouth hard enough to get a ban for personal attack or something.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:38:00 - [185] - Quote Nah mann. I know one of the Devs personally. They are just as watchful of you as they are me. Oh and by the way. You are still going brooooo. Really. Havent got your fix yet eh. To bad someone like you cant actually find something worthwhile to do eh. Its ok bub you will find your way someday.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2053	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:40:00 - [186] - Quote BIGRED 4UALL wrote: They are just as watchful of you as they are me. Oh gee, I would never have guessed that the devs might have reason to watch my behavior in threads... I wonder what could possibly cause them to have a reason to be suspicious of my posting... Oh wait, because I'm a habitual smartass and occasionally go to far. That's right, I remember now.
BIGRED 4UALL Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.08.15 09:48:00 - [187] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: BIGRED 4UALL wrote: They are just as watchful of you as they are me. Oh gee, I would never have guessed that the devs might have reason to watch my behavior in threads... I wonder what could possibly cause them to have a reason to be suspicious of my posting... Oh wait, because I'm a habitual smartass and occasionally go to far. That's right, I remember now. Thats good dude. Noone cares bro. Good luck to yeah.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3067	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:04:00 - [188] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. Goonservant candidate reporting for duty. How may I exploit my position in your favor, sir? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 638	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:06:00 - [189] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. Goonservant candidate reporting for duty. How may I exploit my position in your favor, sir? We're more worried about incompetence then you being corrupt, lol.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3805	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:15:00 - [190] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Thank you for reaching out to us with these concerns but at this time we see no reason to ban the CPM since we have our candidates in place. They, we feel, are serving this community exemplary and are laser focused on this community's health. Thank you for your time. Goonservant candidate reporting for duty. How may I exploit my position in your favor, sir? We're more worried about incompetence then you being corrupt, lol. Im not worried about incompetence, i believe that they will succeed in that department

NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1955	Posted - 2014.08.15 16:32:00 - [191] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Hey How do you vote out the current CPMs? I cast my vote out to vote out the Current CPM's on Dust514 who don't care about the game...... They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3069	Posted - 2014.08.15 17:56:00 - [192] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3810	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:01:00 - [193] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. While ccp do no work on dust
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1958	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:04:00 - [194] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. I can trust you, if you say it... Glad to see that you became a CPM... But I don't trust CCP and i don't trust most in CPM Legion is going to PC and Dust is slowly dying... The promise of a future Dust and False Marketing (Which was borderline illegal) LOL So i don't see how long CCP will do this... Keep changing stuff and listening to Crybabies with no skills... Their idea of balancing Scouts was to Buff one and nerf the other... Their idea of helping Heavy balance was to Buff amar beyond God mode (I use an amar heavy) and nerf the rest... Their idea of HMG work was to give the Burst HMG 6000 RPM ROF... Their idea of stopping bad players from crying was to give assaults 1000 EHP lol I want whatever they were smoking
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3529	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:25:00 - [195] - Quote wow... this thread... Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 135	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:27:00 - [196] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters. You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence. Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them. And thank you for playing. Dude, you're analysis is way over his head. Quit trying to convince him, he just went 0-8 and he's tweaking. How do you kill that which has no life?
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 135	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:29:00 - [197] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment. Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters. How do you kill that which has no life?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3813	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:36:00 - [198] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment. Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters. most Less than 10% voted, could be even as low as 5% Thats not most, thats a minority
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 647	Posted - 2014.08.15 18:37:00 - [199] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment. Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters. Do not listen to this nut job. He runs around in pubs in full proto and still goes negative in full squads. The community does not want you, because we do not want to be **** with anymore. Let it out in the open - CPM existence is helping CCP keep more ** NDA. If they feel like they can talk to you guys behind closed door then they won't discuss it with US - who do the REAL math and break down of this game.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3070	Posted - 2014.08.15 19:53:00 - [200] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment. Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters. I'm only in this thread really to read the trolling. (Goons are the best trolls. SoTa tries, but he's bad at it.) PoP SoTa wrote: The community does not want you, because we do not want to be **** with anymore. Let it out in the open - CPM existence is helping CCP keep more ** NDA. If they feel like they can talk to you guys behind closed door then they won't discuss it with US - who do the REAL math and break down of this game. I'm doing my best to encourage them to be more open with the community. Rattati has done a great job interacting with the community on the hotfixes. Next step is getting the Legion devs to do the same for... like that entire game. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 651	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:00:00 - [201] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: NAV HIV wrote: They are the CPM for Legion... Not dust... So you are out of luck... Actually, everything we're working on right now is about DUST. We work on DUST a lot. CPM, most of the community want you and appreciate the extra time you put in this game for its betterment. Please don't feel like you have to waste your time trying to justify what you are doing to haters. I'm only in this thread really to read the trolling. (Goons are the best trolls. SoTa tries, but he's bad at it.) PoP SoTa wrote: The community does not want you, because we do not want to be **** with anymore. Let it out in the open - CPM existence is helping CCP keep more ** NDA. If they feel like they can talk to you guys behind closed door then they won't discuss it with US - who do the REAL math and break down of this game. I'm doing my best to encourage them to be more open with the community. Rattati has done a great job interacting with the community on the hotfixes. Next step is getting the Legion devs to do the same for... like that entire game. CPM next step are for legion? lol... That is a PC game that is not even green lit and you're putting focus on that over Dust? And, be real. Your position existence is helping cause the very thing you're trying to fix. CPM's existence has become a burden.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 833	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:42:00 - [202] - Quote Thread montage [=quote=Soraya Xel]What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you?[/quote] [=quote=Soraya Xel]Stop playing the game and go away.[/quote] [=quote=Soraya Xel] Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? [...] It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage [/quote] [=quote=Iron Wolf Saber]Stop giving them Hope Zatara! [/quote] [=quote=Soraya Xel]Then why are you here?[/quote] Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [ "I want CPM to break NDA" I want banks to tell me what they do with my money. Breakin forum rulez - like a boss. Whilst having no point. [=quote=Zatara Rought] (much lolling) Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. [/quote] [=quote=Zatara Rought]The rest is lol. Try harder.[/quote] [=quote=Zatara Rought]You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll.[/quote] Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well sole credit for charlie features are a bit hard. I mean CPM 0 wanted FW changes and the triple LP was something ccp came back with and was approved. Overall slot deal and fitting adjustments I rather blame the community on that one and there are just a lot of things that happened that was mostly CCP's work; I mean I did share my thoughts on most of the feature and extrapolated the changes in meta but those are only halfway accurate at times. Yah it's our fault. It's a pity there are no CPM0 on CPM1 to help with the transition. o.O [=quote=Soraya Xel]I'm only in this thread really to read the trolling.[/quote] THE GREY CARDINAL wrote: CPM will always suck because members of CPM have no idea how to do an even remotely professional job of being a representative which includes maintaining a level of respect when interacting with the community even when it's critical of you. First time on the forums in months, this is the first thread I see and this post reminds me why I don't play anymore, aka no future and ****** community reps. ^^ Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3079	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:46:00 - [203] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Immortal John Ripper 23900	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:52:00 - [204] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) except for when you go to next fanfest for free and you can sit back with the dev's and laugh when legion is replaced. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
General John Ripper 23940	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:52:00 - [205] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) except for when you go to next fanfest for free and you can sit back with the dev's and laugh when legion is replaced. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 816	Posted - 2014.08.15 22:16:00 - [206] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor. Indeed Pokey. And my BS detector just won't stop going off about this thread. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. Your not being very professional... Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Immortal John Ripper 23902	Posted - 2014.08.15 22:18:00 - [207] - Quote Soraya's attitude before elections = butt kisser, tries to sound smart, and helpful. Soraya's attitude after elections = LOLZ!!!!11!1!@!1 I already got your votes, too late now! Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
General John Ripper 23940	Posted - 2014.08.15 22:18:00 - [208] - Quote Soraya's attitude before elections = butt kisser, tries to sound smart, and helpful. Soraya's attitude after elections = LOLZ!!!!11!1!@!1 I already got your votes, too late now! Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 265	Posted - 2014.08.15 22:54:00 - [209] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor. Indeed Pokey. And my BS detector just won't stop going off about this thread. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. Your not being very professional... CPM is not a profession Besides, CPM members are supposed to represent the community. And the community, as evidenced by this thread, is composed of blithering, vitriolic morons. So as far as I'm concerned, having the CPM going around trolling the **** out of everyone seems like fair game. It stands to reason that if you go around acting like a blithering, vitriolic moron, you're implicitly supporting the CPM's behavior. Professional indeed. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 659	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:07:00 - [210] - Quote They represent 10% of the community, don't get that twisted. Or, at best, 900 people. 400 or which are probably people who've never played for more then a month and just watch youtube, lol.

Immortal John Ripper 23906	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:14:00 - [211] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: They represent 10% of the community, don't get that twisted. Or, at best, 900 people. 400 or which are probably people who've never played for more then a month and just watch youtube, lol. Subtract about a few dozen more to include voting for themselves and any alts they also used to vote for themselves. 10% is a bit of an over statement. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
General John Ripper 23940	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:14:00 - [212] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: They represent 10% of the community, don't get that twisted. Or, at best, 900 people. 400 or which are probably people who've never played for more then a month and just watch youtube, lol. Subtract about a few dozen more to include voting for themselves and any alts they also used to vote for themselves. 10% is a bit of an over statement. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3099	Posted - 2014.08.16 06:58:00 - [213] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: except for when you go to next fanfest for free Trip to Fanfest still isn't free for CPM1 members. That fact hasn't changed yet. Immortal John Ripper wrote: Soraya's attitude before elections = butt kisser, tries to sound smart, and helpful. Soraya's attitude after elections = LOLZ!!!!11!1!@!1 I already got your votes, too late now! Only in troll threads. If someone has constructive feedback, I'm going to put my serious hat on. (Best feedback that I've gotten so far has come in by email, as of so far.) Sometimes I put my serious hat on in troll threads, but only when mixed with trolling. ;) Pseudogenesis wrote: Besides, CPM members are supposed to represent the community. And the community, as evidenced by this thread, is composed of blithering, vitriolic morons. So as far as I'm concerned, having the CPM going around trolling the **** out of everyone seems like fair game. It stands to reason that if you go around acting like a blithering, vitriolic moron, you're implicitly supporting the CPM's behavior. I like you. But you're in TEST. I'm not sure how to reconcile this anomaly. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3172	Posted - 2014.08.16 07:58:00 - [214] - Quote Community is full of fucknuts, Community bitches because they elect fucknuts, community doesn't undersand that electing said fucknuts is their fault. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 277	Posted - 2014.08.16 10:40:00 - [215] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Besides, CPM members are supposed to represent the community. And the community, as evidenced by this thread, is composed of blithering, vitriolic morons. So as far as I'm concerned, having the CPM going around trolling the **** out of everyone seems like fair game. It stands to reason that if you go around acting like a blithering, vitriolic moron, you're implicitly supporting the CPM's behavior. I like you. But you're in TEST. I'm not sure how to reconcile this anomaly. TEST does things? I only pay attention to the Dust side. -»\_(pâä)_/-» Capsuleers gonna capsulate. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
mollerz 4885	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:11:00 - [216] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) I think we have found the Jenza equivalent in CPM1. Have fun one termer. Dingle Dust Berry.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1149	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:25:00 - [217] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage... Like this thread? We'll bang, OK?
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1149	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:28:00 - [218] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Besides, CPM members are supposed to represent the community. And the community, as evidenced by this thread, is composed of blithering, vitriolic morons. I like your style, I think you and I are going to be friends. We'll bang, OK?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 685	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:49:00 - [219] - Quote feel free to show off what the CPM has done, we'd all love to see it. you know, besides Kain taking credit for killing PC with the removal of passive ISK. Great job there - CPM.
General John Ripper 23942	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:36:00 - [220] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Community is full of fucknuts, Community bitches because they elect fucknuts, community doesn't undersand that electing said fucknuts is their fault. You mean the youtube community ... Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.

Immortal John Ripper 23942	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:36:00 - [221] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Community is full of fucknuts, Community bitches because they elect fucknuts, community doesn't undersand that electing said fucknuts is their fault. You mean the youtube community ... Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5703	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:49:00 - [222] - Quote I used my farm corp to vote in people I wanted, I probably could've voted myself in. vOv
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 686	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:54:00 - [223] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there. You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things. You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM. This same argument can be used to explain why god exists. LMAO
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2154	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:08:00 - [224] - Quote I'm pleased to say our efforts to place the candidates we wanted on the CPM has resulted in nothing but OVERWHELMING VICTORY! We knew we could count on the voting public to do the right thing. Disclaimer: :Effort: was not actually expended in the making of this election. Goonfeet takes no responsibility for your inability to elect CPM members who can alter reality and CCP Dev thought processes.
MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 228	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:35:00 - [225] - Quote I am actually seeing some positive from Cross to be honest. He seems like he is trying to help and doesn't go on bashing other players. From what I have read recently anyway. Kudos for trying to do good for this game because you appear to be the only CPM that seems to be doing something worthwhile.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 694	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:49:00 - [226] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm pleased to say our efforts to place the candidates we wanted on the CPM has resulted in nothing but OVERWHELMING VICTORY! We knew we could count on the voting public to do the right thing. Disclaimer: :Effort: was not actually expended in the making of this election. Goonfeet takes no responsibility for your inability to elect CPM members who can alter reality and CCP Dev thought processes. rofl, as if there were more Dust players then Youtube watchers, we were screwed from the start. xD
Cass Caul 674	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:26:00 - [227] - Quote mollerz wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) I think we have found the jenza equivalent in CPM1. Have fun one termer. He's gonna take blame for random crap, but be gone for 4 months of the year because he's moving between countries? and in that absence take more blame because he's not around do dissuade people of those opinions? Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 20	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:49:00 - [228] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: mollerz wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) I think we have found the jenza equivalent in CPM1. Have fun one termer. He's gonna take blame for random crap, but be gone for 4 months of the year because he's moving between countries? and in that absence take more blame because he's not around do dissuade people of those opinions? Logic is not welcome here sir/ma'am/it, assume the illogical position!
Immortal John Ripper 23958	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:04:00 - [229] - Quote I am surprised this thread hasn't been locked. CCP has time to bully me for diddly squat and yet everyone else is having a free for all party. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 20	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:06:00 - [230] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: I am surprised this thread hasn't been locked. CCP has time to bully me for diddly squat and yet everyone else is having a free for all party. Oh it's okay, people have gotten away with a lot worse on these forums. Plus it's in general discussions, even the devs know it's a cesspool.

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1080	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:21:00 - [231] - Quote I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 699	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:25:00 - [232] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1081	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:34:00 - [233] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol. well im done with dust sota, so i didnt vote. probably would not have bothered to do so even if i was still playing as it seems pointless at this point.
Cass Caul 675	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:35:00 - [234] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol. There's a reason every time he made a statement it was followed by, "omg, that was so zatarted," and usually a facepalm. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 700	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:36:00 - [235] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol. well im done with dust sota, so i didnt vote. probably would not have bothered to do so even if i was still playing as it seems pointless at this point. I don't blame you, from all the friends I had here, only enough to count on 1 hand remains. Which is why I will torment the forums with logic.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1081	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:37:00 - [236] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol. well im done with dust sota, so i didnt vote. probably would not have bothered to do so even if i was still playing as it seems pointless at this point. I don't blame you, from all the friends I had here, only enough to count on 1 hand remains. Which is why I will torment the forums with logic. im only still here for the anime
Cass Caul 675	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:38:00 - [237] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Cass Caul wrote: mollerz wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Thanks for playing - are the rest of you cringing, trying to tell you lot not to post in troll threads? It makes you look bad when you do. Being told not to post in troll threads actually makes me want to go post in troll threads more. Having an unpaid volunteer consulting job doesn't mean I can't still have fun. ;) I think we have found the jenza equivalent in CPM1. Have fun one termer. He's gonna take blame for random crap, but be gone for 4 months of the year because he's moving between countries? and in that absence take more blame because he's not around do dissuade people of those opinions? Logic is not welcome here ma'am, assume the illogical position! No thanks. I'll just take the stance that's the most amusing. I say we vote to evict Soraya out of his place of residence and make him live on a boat. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 705	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:40:00 - [238] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: I have no clue about whether or not ccp listens to cpm. I do know however, that the only one I would listen to is Zatara since we were in the same corp and he has done pc. Yup, that's the only reason people voted for him - the only PC player representative. Sure as hell wasn't for his brains or what he offers, lol. well im done with dust sota, so i didnt vote. probably would not have bothered to do so even if i was still playing as it seems pointless at this point. I don't blame you, from all the friends I had here, only enough to count on 1 hand remains. Which is why I will torment the forums with logic. im only still here for the anime Last i saw Anime Empire's channel was still growing lol
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5170	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:41:00 - [239] - Quote Eye offishily disaproove ov this Fred. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3105	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:23:00 - [240] - Quote mollerz wrote: I think we have found the Jenza equivalent in CPM1. Have fun one termer. Only intended to be. There's a very unlikely scenario where I'd run again, and that's nobody else from CPM1 running again. Because I think there should always be someone carrying over. Bayeth Mal wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage... Like this thread? Indeed. Zero feedback from this thread will be brought elsewhere. MoonEagle A wrote: I am actually seeing some positive from Cross to be honest. He seems like he is trying to help and doesn't go on bashing other players. From what I have read recently anyway. Kudos for trying to do good for this game because you appear to be the only CPM that seems to be doing something worthwhile. Cross is a god among men. Cass Caul wrote: I say we vote to evict Soraya out of his place of residence and make him live on a boat. I am in favor of me living on a boat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 705	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:36:00 - [241] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Indeed. Zero feedback from this forum will be brought elsewhere. fixed that for ya
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3106	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:37:00 - [242] - Quote I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 705	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:45:00 - [243] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. You have to understand what your reading first before it becomes meaningful. Welcome to Free to Play elections.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 847	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 - [244] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2171	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:29:00 - [245] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. You have to understand what your reading first before it becomes meaningful. Welcome to Free to Play elections. If it's free, how can you afford it? You're too broke to pay attention, much less pay for a freebie.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 716	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:55:00 - [246] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. You have to understand what your reading first before it becomes meaningful. Welcome to Free to Play elections. If it's free, how can you afford it? You're too broke to pay attention, much less pay for a freebie. i use the funds I acquired from all the goons tears i package and deliver to the far corners of New Eden. Thank you for your contribution.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3178	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:59:00 - [247] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Community is full of fucknuts, Community bitches because they elect fucknuts, community doesn't undersand that electing said fucknuts is their fault. You mean the youtube community ... The GOOD parts of the DUST community are gone with a few exceptions. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1170	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:01:00 - [248] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! I approve of this reference. +1 We'll bang, OK?
Cass Caul 696	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:40:00 - [249] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! I approve of this reference. +1 -1 for attributing it to the wrong person. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 262	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:52:00 - [250] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. That may be, however, like all things, the rotten apple example rears its ugly head. No offense, its hard to believe you are a force of good and positive when you have skid marks like this running around: Soraya Xel wrote: As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? Soraya Xel wrote: Stop playing the game and go away.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3111	Posted - 2014.08.17 01:11:00 - [251] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: No offense, its hard to believe you are a force of good and positive when you have skid marks like this running around: To be honest, someone like that, who is only here on the forums to be toxic for the community, is going to get an answer like that from me. There are people here who have already made it clear they have no intention to see this game or this community go anywhere. But yeah, if someone doesn't like the game, they should stop playing. That's good advice for anyone. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 848	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:19:00 - [252] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'm actually collecting meaningful feedback in another thread like right now. For he is the Kwisatz Haderach! I approve of this reference. +1 -1 for attributing it to the wrong person. But...he has taken the water of life! He can be many places at the same time!! You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
DROPSHIP CAPTAIN ICE-9 PROJECT 41	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:22:00 - [253] - Quote I see but hey look I asked a question about the matter.I'm not trying to be the bad guy here. I am sure the CPM's are doing a great job with helping dust514 not fall apart because they really enjoy the game. like it even though my kdr isn't up to your par because I was trolled in duna corp -_- but either way I am done with this for now unless something goes wrong. If your not doing your job you need to go, just like politics if you are not doing your job you get vetoed out right? but hey I wish I knew what was going on with the game behind the scenes because I will never know until the last moment. I like dust alot but I wish there were more tings that were fixed and patched but some of you are saying shhh shhh shh becasue you use it to win even if you are losing unless you Know How To Play Dust514 without using exploits. I wish you guys the best keep your negative thoughts to yourself period. Sorry if I offended any of you Current CPM's out there I was only asking a question for if someone in CPM goes mad with power. I hope you understand CPM's.
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 944	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:52:00 - [254] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Who says we want them to have an influence? Who says we want incompetent players who bring no level of professionalism or wisdom to the "position" to have any more influence than any other random? CPM1 was voted in off of what, no more than 200 people casting their 7 votes? What a joke. I didn't vote because I don't want CPM to have a say. I'd rather CCP sink their own ship than let some randoms help them along their way. There's an unfortunate confusion in the terminology here. There were approximately 1000 ballots cast consisting of a group of one to seven votes. Admittedly a small number compared to the overall player base, but dividing the vote count by anything other than your projected proportion of alts to unique players isn't going to give you a correct interpretation. Have a pony
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:55:00 - [255] - Quote None of us have any reason to believe that CPM is useless. They may quite well be capable and in a position to provide well focused feedback without any of the BS. The only issue I could take with CPM is what type of people were elected. I would want to know whether members are unbiased or not, and intellegent in their discussion with CCP or not. They may quite well be stupid or biased. They may be subject to butthurt, anger, and generally flawed reasoning often. I have never had the occasion of meeting one in a squad and chatting with one myself. As such I am of no opinion on CPM. I hope things are working out over there and I hope they are down to earth people.
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 13:18:00 - [256] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? Count the number of players who've dropped in the last 3 months. There's your votes. Kind Regards Chunky Munkey
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3202	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:06:00 - [257] - Quote DROPSHIP CAPTAIN wrote: Sorry if I offended any of you Current CPM's out there I was only asking a question for if someone in CPM goes mad with power. I hope you understand CPM's. That's a problem that CCP takes care of. They can remove any CPM member at any time. That being said, CPM members have absolutely 0 power. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 884	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:50:00 - [258] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. Who says we want them to have an influence? Who says we want incompetent players who bring no level of professionalism or wisdom to the "position" to have any more influence than any other random? CPM1 was voted in off of what, no more than 200 people casting their 7 votes? What a joke. I didn't vote because I don't want CPM to have a say. I'd rather CCP sink their own ship than let some randoms help them along their way. There's an unfortunate confusion in the terminology here. There were approximately 1000 ballots cast consisting of a group of one to seven votes. Admittedly a small number compared to the overall player base, but dividing the vote count by anything other than your projected proportion of alts to unique players isn't going to give you a correct interpretation. We know Youtube played a major role - second place got voted in by what, less then 80 votes? While Judge get well over 200, 300? Dust is a Free To Play game, lots of people, if not millions, made accounts before June of last year, just in that time frame you have a considerable legit voter count. Now, how many stayed? How many watch youtube? Judge isn't well known on the forums as others, where did he get such an avalanche lead? Obvious source, youtube. The other candidates relied on there influence around here, and they didn't get no 200+ votes, not even 100. And how were the 7 picks each even calculated as per voter? Where is the real math, rather then number release from CCP?
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 558	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:55:00 - [259] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: We know Youtube played a major role - second place got voted in by what, less then 80 votes? While Judge get well over 200, 300? Dust is a Free To Play game, lots of people, if not millions, made accounts before June of last year, just in that time frame you have a considerable legit voter count. Now, how many stayed? How many watch youtube? Judge isn't well known on the forums as others, where did he get such an avalanche lead? Obvious source, youtube. The other candidates relied on there influence around here, and they didn't get no 200+ votes, not even 100. And how were the 7 picks each even calculated as per voter? Where is the real math, rather then number release from CCP? they released all the data with the elections, there was a paste bin link with every step of the election process inside the data somewhere on the forums Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 884	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:00:00 - [260] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: We know Youtube played a major role - second place got voted in by what, less then 80 votes? While Judge get well over 200, 300? Dust is a Free To Play game, lots of people, if not millions, made accounts before June of last year, just in that time frame you have a considerable legit voter count. Now, how many stayed? How many watch youtube? Judge isn't well known on the forums as others, where did he get such an avalanche lead? Obvious source, youtube. The other candidates relied on there influence around here, and they didn't get no 200+ votes, not even 100. And how were the 7 picks each even calculated as per voter? Where is the real math, rather then number release from CCP? they released all the data with the elections, there was a paste bin link with every step of the election process inside the data somewhere on the forums damn, missed that, will have to go look. I still highly doubt they can separate those who voted because of youtube vs voted because they care.

Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 558	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:03:00 - [261] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: We know Youtube played a major role - second place got voted in by what, less then 80 votes? While Judge get well over 200, 300? Dust is a Free To Play game, lots of people, if not millions, made accounts before June of last year, just in that time frame you have a considerable legit voter count. Now, how many stayed? How many watch youtube? Judge isn't well known on the forums as others, where did he get such an avalanche lead? Obvious source, youtube. The other candidates relied on there influence around here, and they didn't get no 200+ votes, not even 100. And how were the 7 picks each even calculated as per voter? Where is the real math, rather then number release from CCP? they released all the data with the elections, there was a paste bin link with every step of the election process inside the data somewhere on the forums damn, missed that, will have to go look. I still highly doubt they can separate those who voted because of youtube vs voted because they care. I dont think it went into that much detail, but i believe one of the files does show what each ballot specifically voted for Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2055	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:15:00 - [262] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want No particular sides taken in this argument, I have no interest in Dust politics anymore. Just wanted to point out that you make no sense whatsoever. If 90% of the population refuses to vote in a country, let's say America, and the 10% that did vote ended up electing a person that the majority of the country thought was doing a bad job, you know what happens? They start giving a damn, paying attention, voting, then vote for the other guy in the next election cycle. (Gê¬n+Ç--¦)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. BLAP!* Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.


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