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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:56:00 - [91] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. I spent two years trying to "accomplish" something. And in that time I've learned that it's pointless. Why waste effort on a dying game that makes changes on a whim, randomly, back and forth like a drunken seesaw? Why bother arguing with a community of mentally stunted scrubs who swear up and down that they understand the game, and with a company who happily listens to them and makes changes based on that feedback? Why attempt to communicate with a company who would happily give any of those players a seat in the CPM to directly engage with CCP if they're but voted in by the same mass of incompetent players? Im just here for my own amusement, nothing more. Please don't mistake my posts as some attempt to change anything. The ship is sinking, and I already stole a lifeboat. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 590	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:01:00 - [92] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. Looks at forum name, checks to see if there's any Red or Blue tags, then checks to see if CCP reads forums Green on all, so why can't we discuss it in view of CCP, exactly? You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. Ghost, no offense, I'm sure you call yourself a 'vet', but compared to my time here you're still green behind the ears. You have no idea what you're talking about. Want an example? Last years septemember/august tournament. In game tournament footage shows AE's Arirana using Melee glitch to one shot several players instantly nearby each other. Me, and maybe around 20 others, literally 20+ others, all send the link of the video plus our eye witness reports of seeing it done in competitive matches throughout PC against this particular player. What did talking to the 'big boys' do? Not a damn thing, we proved cheating occurred in tournament, nothing happened. Wasn't even fixed or promised to be fixed. So what did we do? I went to GD and made a big ******* deal about it. A day later, we get several responses from CCP explaining the situation and why it happens and what they believe the time frame will be to resolve it. Did CPM accomplish this for us? No, I did, by bitching in GD and getting everyone involved. CPM is useless.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6437	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:01:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: All this hate seems to be directed at the CPM, but it really seems that you are mad at CCP. Why the deflection onto the CPM? Its not hate at the CPM as people, it's hate at the CPM as an establishment at all. If CCP is too incompetent to listen, then perhaps they should spend less time and money on a pointless endeavor, and, you know, hire some PROFESSIONALS to help remedy their own lack of competence when it comes to understanding their own product. You know that CCP won't hire anyone professional to help out. Hell, they don't even have a TEST SERVER. If you really think that the CPM are a waste, don't whine to them about it. Whine to CCP. Send some mail. Do something. Don't just come to the forums, whine and complain and think that you are accomplishing something. I spent two years trying to "accomplish" something. And in that time I've learned that it's pointless. Why waste effort on a dying game that makes changes on a whim, randomly, back and forth like a drunken seesaw? Why bother arguing with a community of mentally stunted scrubs who swear up and down that they understand the game, and with a company who happily listens to them and makes changes based on that feedback? Why attempt to communicate with a company who would happily give any of those players a seat in the CPM to directly engage with CCP if they're but voted in by the same mass of incompetent players? Im just here for my own amusement, nothing more. Please don't mistake my posts as some attempt to change anything. The ship is sinking, and I already stole a lifeboat. I'm sorry, I legitimately thought you were trying to be productive. I'll remember to discard that thought in the future. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14697	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:03:00 - [94] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I'm sorry, I legitimately thought you were trying to be productive. I'll remember to discard that thought in the future. Please do, for all our sakes. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14697	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:04:00 - [95] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: You can, but it's just extra drama. You want results? Talk to the big guys. Send emails to people up the chain. Complaining to a local manager at a chain about company policy does very little. You have to go up the chain if you want to see results. Ghost, no offense, I'm sure you call yourself a 'vet', but compared to my time here you're still green behind the ears. You have no idea what you're talking about. Want an example? Last years septemember/august tournament. In game tournament footage shows AE's Arirana using Melee glitch to one shot several players instantly nearby each other. Me, and maybe around 20 others, literally 20+ others, all send the link of the video plus our eye witness reports of seeing it done in competitive matches throughout PC against this particular player. What did talking to the 'big boys' do? Not a damn thing, we proved cheating occurred in tournament, nothing happened. Wasn't even fixed or promised to be fixed. So what did we do? I went to GD and made a big ***** deal about it. A day later, we get several responses from CCP explaining the situation and why it happens and what they believe the time frame will be to resolve it. Did CPM accomplish this for us? No, I did, by bitching in GD and getting everyone involved. CPM is useless. GD best D Just sayin' Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 478	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:20:00 - [96] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? CPM will always suck because members of CPM have no idea how to do an even remotely professional job of being a representative which includes maintaining a level of respect when interacting with the community even when it's critical of you. First time on the forums in months, this is the first thread I see and this post reminds me why I don't play anymore, aka no future and ****** community reps.
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2129	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:20:00 - [97] - Quote This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Best PvE idea ever!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 594	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:24:00 - [98] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 412	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:25:00 - [99] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF too, publicly, as you are being now. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same **. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it. "Legit" CPM were optimistic about what exactly...one quit and all the rest were outraged over FF. Shoveling what ** exactly? That things are happening behind NDA? You can presume what you like. I can't assuage your assumptions because NDA, but things are happening. <3 After FF. You're doing a good job though, some matrix style dodging there, just claim ignorance and everyone will believe you honestly! "You guys I really mean it!!! Guyyyyssss!" As the guard says in morrowind, "I'm sure you'll fit right in."
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:32:00 - [100] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 413	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:34:00 - [101] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:35:00 - [102] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9060	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:37:00 - [103] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh... Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:38:00 - [104] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:40:00 - [105] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: I got to stop you there - of there 900 about half to a third of them were youtube voters. Lmao Is there a point here? I don't see a point. Those that choose not to see, will not see. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 414	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:40:00 - [106] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:41:00 - [107] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want The game would likely not still exist without a CPM, so if you don't want a CPM, here's the solution: Stop playing the game and go away. Effectively the same result. :) The game existed before the CPM was around, what makes you think it wouldn't exist if the CPM were abolished? We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:41:00 - [108] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced. As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0? Soraya got elected by the players, not by CCP. There lies the biggest difference between the CPM0 and the CPM1. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2130	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:43:00 - [109] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? DUST is 1000x better than when Uprising launched. I'm pretty sure CPM has played a significant role in getting the game to this point. I don't think CPM had any say about the Legion decision, and I'm sure it will be much better with their feedback than none at all. I have a real dislike for some of the progression ideas in Legion. I hope that the CPM can help temper some of those proposed ideas. Best PvE idea ever!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3863	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:44:00 - [110] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3863	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:46:00 - [111] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? I think they see the problem of massively generalizing a point that is completely flawed. And the CPM were -before- uprising...but it's all good. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:48:00 - [112] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. If the devs talked to the community in the first place, instead of going about the changes blind, then they wouldn't have run into the problem in the first place. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:50:00 - [113] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. New in, sounds like he's been doing it for months already. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1539	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:51:00 - [114] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there. You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things. You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM. The "success" is that those 937 youtubers think their voice matters at all to CCP. You're nothing to them. Just a pretty facade to show around and say "oh look, we're so progressive and we listen to our players!" which can easily be abandoned when you do something they don't like. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 416	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:52:00 - [115] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -snip- You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie. Who said we had no effect whatsoever? Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise. When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference. I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Literally taken from your earlier post. These childish games you're playing feigning ignorance and backpedaling on what you just said doesn't make you clever. This is why a popularity contest (Of which only 10% voted in) was a terrible idea.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:52:00 - [116] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. Exactly my point. It went from really bad, to even worse.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:53:00 - [117] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Stop giving them Hope Zatara! At least he's trying to give the community hope. You dashed it all away like the doomed sailors of the USS Arizona. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3865	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:54:00 - [118] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: If the devs talked to the community in the first place, instead of going about the changes blind, then they wouldn't have run into the problem in the first place. Actually forum QQ unmoderated has caused a -lot- of poor changes in the past. If the Dev's were all acutely aware of their game they wouldn't need any help as they could balance off of the conglomerate of their experiences perhaps? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9061	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:55:00 - [119] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO. Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here. But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 603	Posted - 2014.08.14 22:55:00 - [120] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vell0cet wrote: This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM." The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? DUST is 1000x better than when Uprising launched. I'm pretty sure CPM has played a significant role in getting the game to this point. I don't think CPM had any say about the Legion decision, and I'm sure it will be much better with their feedback than none at all. I have a real dislike for some of the progression ideas in Legion. I hope that the CPM can help temper some of those proposed ideas. Dust is a 1000x times better now? It was 10,000 times better before Uprising. And what does it matter if the game saw slight, and I do mean slight, improvements, when the end result was a trash bin and a lighter?



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