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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:32:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless.
No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:35:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Vell0cet wrote:This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM."
The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem?
Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:37:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher
Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes, they do. Is it there fault CCP set up a CPM instead of going balls deep into Feedback Section, which generally serves the exact same purpose as CPM? CPM is basically being forced upon us - and 90% of the voters said "NO" Clearly, CPM is useless. No, they don't. I don't care what you, anyone else, or even God himself says. If one didn't vote at all and they never even visited the forums up until now to complain then they have no right to complain. "If you don't vote republican or democrat obviously you shouldn't have a say in politics!" Oh you're that guy huh...
Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:41:00 -
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DontChimpOut wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:So, like 937 votes elected the CPM1. Can you gather that many people to try and get rid of them? Not that I'm saying it would do anything even if you could, but I'm just saying, unless you can equal the amount of support that elected the CPM in the first place, you hardly have standing to claim it should be removed or replaced.
As a more productive point: What is the nature of your butthurt that makes you hate the CPM, and how can we, your representatives, address it for you? What makes you think you're going to be any different from CPM0?
Soraya got elected by the players, not by CCP. There lies the biggest difference between the CPM0 and the CPM1.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:55:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
Thank you for the useless and highly irrelevant ad hominem attack. I'm talking about voting in general in case you didn't notice. I don't care if you voted for the Green Party, Libertarian Party, or even the Mickey Mouse Party. If you voted, you have a right to complain. But if you never even got involved in voting for anyone, then GTFO.
Unfortunately I edited the comment after you were already typing so you didn't see where I broke down my analogy. Because I had a feeling with most people who fail at logic, you won't be reasonable. If you don't believe in a system it does you no good to participate in the said system. I don't think CPM help, why would I vote for them? Was there a vote no option? An opt out as it were? No? Then reconsider who may be the fool here.
But then there lies the problem when it comes to losing faith in the system. If sufficient people don't believe in the voting system, then the voting system slowly begins to break down. To put it into a better analogy, think of matchmaking in a first-person shooter like Dust. Even if Dust were to somehow have a proper matchmaking, there is not enough players playing the game to allow Scotty to keep the matches balanced so you start getting crappy matches. More players start to leave as a result, the matches become even more unbalanced as more players leave and not enough remaining players to go around to keep the matches balanced. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Honestly, the CPM1 might not have as much influence with the game as Eve Online's CSM does (the CSM actually has stakeholder power in Eve's development like the Board of Directors), but give it enough time to mature and it will succeed. It will just take years to improve.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:56:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Vell0cet wrote:This is a stupid thread. The logic goes something like "I didn't get a buff to [something I use] in this patch (which the current CPM had negligible influence over), therefore we should eliminate the CPM."
The CPM isn't perfect, but the CPM1 are already doing a much better job of interacting with the community than CPM0. I'm much happier that we have them in place than nothing at all. Again, is there a difference between having them and not? Before CPM - We got Uprising. After CPM - We got Legion. Anyone else see a problem? Uprising sucked when it first came out, just so you know. Exactly my point. It went from really bad, to even worse.
Actually, Legion is great news to me.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:59:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Far as we know, our game has an expiration date on it now. So, what are we waiting for? Legion? On a different platform?
CCP never gave an expiration date. Just think of Dust as being in a coma.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:01:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works.
The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, then say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:14:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Supporting bad ideas in the hopes that good ideas will come from them will teach the lesson that as long as you say you are going to make things better you can do whatever you want. We have every right to be skeptical and CCP/CPM have everything to prove. That's how a free market works. The CPM was never a bad idea. But that's just my opinion. If you want to call it a bad idea, they say so as if it's your own opinion and not as a fact. It's not so much that its a bad idea as it isn't helpful, IE. CCP doesn't listen to them as they already stated with the whole FF ordeal. If you all really are that clueless about politics... FF happened and it was a huge PR disaster. So to salvage what they could and keep interest in Legion they are hotfixing Dust (an unfinished product) and they started a CPM election to play the community like a fiddle. The new CPM is here as a front to show that they care about the communities input. Its nothing more than a way to simulate a feeling that we have a say. 90% of us know we don't have a say and it's just a game they are playing. Hate us for not believing in faeries and unicorns and sharing your idealism, but it is what it is. If they were sincere about the new CPM they wouldn't of gone ahead with it with such poor support from the community.
I saw Fanfest 2014 and yes it was an epic PR disaster for Dust. But it still doesn't change my mind about the CPM. Let's move on now.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:20:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
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You guys admittedly have come in after a collosal disaster from FF, but as already was admitted you all had no effect on charlie.
Who said we had no effect whatsoever?  Who said anyone is making promises on behalf of CCP? Who said anything about patting anyone on the back? Keep trying brah, maybe someone will notice. 1. Judge and Soraya, if you mean on charlie, you continuing to attempt to be vague and answering with questions is cute but it doesn't make you a captain of the debate team.
You can claim I'm being vague but I'm just trying to follow you, and that's proving quite difficult. I can't respond to allegations we had no influence on charlie when I've claimed nothing of the sort, so responding with a questions is quite appropriate here. If they indeed claimed we had no effect at all on charlie I would disagree. Most of it was in the works, but we did have a meeting about it, and I feel our meeting was purposeful and made a difference in charlie in some small ways. 2. You just said that you are making a difference. Assuming you must be over the age of 18 to function as CPM I regret to inform you that saying "I promise" does not mean its a promise.When you say you can't say anything because of NDA but that the CPM is making a difference then you are making a promise that you are making a difference.
]I am not connecting the dots...you said I had made promises on behalf of CCP. Please show me where I did this or your point is invalid.
Just because I assert I'm making a difference doesn't mean I am promising anything on behalf of CCP. Your point is invalid. 3. You came into this thread to "pat yourself on the back" that although there is a NDA preventing you from being specific, you are making a difference.
You can assume intent but it's simply false...I came into the thread with the intent of responding to people concerned the CPM aren't doing anything.
The rest is lol. Try harder. You're simply trying to be antagonizing, but you you're just a pitiful troll. Did you seriously just change my quote and then reply to it as if I had originally stated these things? Are you kidding me?
That's actually how some of us respond. I do that too.
EDIT: Wait, hold on. I think the quote chain got messed up on me here.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:40:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:*breaks out his cooler and his riot shoes*
Ah, the Lakers. They lose, there's a riot. They win? There's a riot. Hey. That's how we celebrate things in america, we get drunk and blow **** up. Murrica! I wana buy a 40 oz...
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