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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14693	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:19:00 - [31] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of ** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3778	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:19:00 - [32] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2805	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:21:00 - [33] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads But you just said they don't listen to CPM, so there's no resource cost, right?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2805	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of **** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. sniff You think I'm a random?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 - [35] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads But you just said they don't listen to CPM, so there's no resource cost, right? So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:24:00 - [36] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I guess I don't understand the mentality. If you think CPM doesn't do anything, then why do you care if they exist or not? It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads CCP already has a staff that sends these threads to where they need to go to be broken down and analyzed to help the game - which makes CPM's position even further useless.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:24:00 - [37] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly less than 10% of the total playerbase voted for the cpm to begin with so it would be intresting to see what the % would be if we were allowed to vote them out and i wouldnt be suprised if it was higher Then that 90% has no right to complain. Yes they do because 10% has voted for something that 90% dont want THEN THEY SHOULD FREAKING VOTE Democracy isn't something you do on cruise control people. SUPERDOUBLEWRISTARMSHATTERINGFACEPALM Im sorry was there an option to not have the cpm? No there wasnt so why would you vote for something that you dont want to exist? Why would you not want a CPM? It sounds like you want CCP in control of everything, which is a terrible idea IMO. They need to talk with the players. Since they can't talk with everyone, having a set of elected representatives is the next best option. Unless you think that the CPM is actually HARMFUL to player-developer relations, your argument holds ZERO weight. If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. People love to claim that "Democracy doesn't work" or "They don't do anything, so why are they here?" It doesn't work because people aren't active in it. It's the same problem with America right now. People are too lax in asserting their rights as citizens. Don't like what your congressman is doing? Don't vote for him. If enough people do this, he WILL NOT be re-elected. People go through this with cruise control on, and expect good results. It doesn't work that way. Want to have impact? Vote for someone that reflects your views as CPM. And then TALK to them. I have more than one CPM member on skype, and I talk with them frequently about what I think should be done. If everyone did something similar, less people would complain, as decisions pushed by the CPM would be more in tune with the community. /democracy rant FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:25:00 - [38] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The point of the CPM election isn't to elect people who know everything about the game, it's to elect those who know bullshit from truth. That's the qualifying factor. Indeed Pokey. And my BS detector just won't stop going off about this thread. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:26:00 - [39] - Quote Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14694	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:26:00 - [40] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: No, 90% of the players couldn't be bothered to take the 5 minutes it takes to log in, click 1-7 names, and hit submit Aside from the fact that I quit this game and just amuse myself with the forums occasionally, I refused to vote in a bunch of randoms who bring with them un-profesionalism and an added layer of **** for CCP to sift through, which CCP quite clearly can't do very well. All it does is add more voices to the noise. CPM is a terrible idea in such an underdeveloped game. CCP should learn to learn their game, instead of relying on randoms to do it for them. sniff You think I'm a random? Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:27:00 - [41] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they why are they there? We dont need them Thanks for playing Some of us want them there because we feel it's important and matters. You obviously feel they don't do anything, but since you believe their existence doesn't change anything, there is neither a negative or a positive to their existence. Removing them in a negative for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Keeping them is positive for some of us, and neither a negative or a positive for you. Therefor the most beneficial action for the group as a whole is to keep them. And thank you for playing.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1538	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:28:00 - [42] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Both of these situations are possible, CPM's existence is a positive for #1, and not a factor for #2. So by saying "I don't want the CPM, stop cramming it down our throats" you're really saying "I don't want to support a program which may have a positive impact on the game". I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. CPM is useless, dust is dead. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:28:00 - [43] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:30:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:30:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:31:00 - [47] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [48] - Quote Only thing I've known that CPM had been batting for on the forums that later showed up in a patch was the complete reworking of how tanks function, I think it was IWS who talked about how tanks should be highly mobile with waves of opportunity. That brought us 1.7 tank514. I have no idea what else was them since Uprising, If it was them that pushed the logi reworking and the ****** assault bonuses that would be two more strikes against them. I do know though that (I know they were under NDA and would face being blacklisted for the possibility of working with companies with NDAs) they didn't warn the community what they knew was months in the works that would of most certainly had people pull their spending. When people do this ** on kickstarter everyone hates them, but when a company does this, well they did what they thought was best hurrr durrr. I don't care personally if we have CPMs but they haven't in the past mattered much, unless someone can cite a point where they actually did influence a good decision from CCP.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3859	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [49] - Quote I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:32:00 - [50] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3781	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:33:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 7 puppets cant change the ADS decision in H charlie so what really makes you think you can stop ccp from pulling the plug when it wants to? Alright, NOW we get to the root of your butthurt. Was that so hard? Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It takes up resources that ccp dont have listening to some puppets who generally offer less than whats in the feedback threads Offering less is the point. It's about filtering out all the whiny crybaby garbage from meaningful feedback. (As the forums is full of copious amounts of both, but a heck of a lot of the former.) If you have something useful to put forth, my email address is in my signature. Thats one example Thats pretty much been your only thing as cpm in like your 1st month and straight away you laid down and rolled over for ccp while they threw you a cookie It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it So if this what cpm1 is going to be like of the little things then i can defo say i can expect nothing on the bigger things Thanks for playing
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:33:00 - [52] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Ghost, please provide evidence that CPM has done anything beyond waste CCP's time. Like I have access to that kind of info. The best example I can give is when Devs and CPM talked to the scouts about re-balancing eWAR. The changes we suggested had a lot of influence on the outcome. They aren't going to do whatever we want, but our voices were heard, and taken into account. You mean, you don't have any information to support the claim that CPM is doing anything to act as our 'voice' or our only voice according to you. Gotcha, so you have no idea what you're talking about. Good to know!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6422	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:34:00 - [53] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Because I can't think for myself apparently? These are MY thoughts, not anyone else. Don't be this way SoTa. Continuing down this line of thinking will do nothing but diminish the respect I have for you. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:34:00 - [54] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship Shame it isn't cross play with 4 and 3, a lot of my Dust friends don't have PS4 and I really want to play Destiny with them. :'(
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2806	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:35:00 - [55] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: It doesnt require a patch, takes less than 5mins to change a few numbers, it really isnt that hard but frankly you could be arsed to push for it Please, tells us more about your deep understanding of what the CPM pushes for and what they don't during their meetings. Can you send me the minutes? I assume you must have them, right?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 585	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [56] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: If there were no CPM, you wouldn't even have a voice anyways. They would do whatever they want, and you would have to live with it. Looks at feedback forums...sees extremely little CPM interaction....lots of dev / player interaction.... scratches head Most of what Ghost is saying here is regurgitated lines Zatara wants all his FA lackeys to say to make himself feel better about being CCP's janitor. Because I can't think for myself apparently? These are MY thoughts, not anyone else. Don't be this way SoTa. Continuing down this line of thinking will do nothing but diminish the respect I have for you. You must be talking about a different SoTa, this is the General Discussions SoTa PoP, a ruthless mofo who will hammer a point until it forges itself exactly the way I want, because the way I want it is the best thing for all of you.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 407	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [57] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. You really think after FF, people suddenly will believe everything behind the NDA is legit? You know they (being CCP and CPM) were super optimistic before FF to. Forgive us if we think you're shoveling the same ****. You guys are fighting an uphill battle of proving you matter. Do what you have to but we would be fools to trust you after the last bunch. Scouts honor doesn't cut it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16181	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [58] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I'm totally prepared for people not to see the influence of the CPM. And it's justified for your guys to be upset when you don't know the extent of our contributions. So feel free to type up how you feel about us. I for one, am quite glad the CPM are around, and despite the inability to peel back the NDA and prove it, the work we're doing is worthy. Stop giving them Hope Zatara! CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14695	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [59] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Judge is possibly my favorite DUST player, and I didn't even vote for him lol. I think EVERYONE in this game is randoms at this point. This game has given me an incurable case of CYNICISM and I'm pretty content with it at this point. Haha just giving you a hard time buddy, just don't get too salty or you'll shrivel up into a mummy like a lot of the guys here. You're a cool guy, I wouldn't want the bitterness to get the best of you. Just waiting for Destiny Ehh Destiny is cool, I'm getting a PS4 for it, but I can't say it'll replace Dust for me. Totally different experience. You'll have to link up with me sometime when it comes out, I don't think I've ever seen out outside of your dropship This game does nothing but ** me off anymore. I get no enjoyment from it, and I haven't in almost a year now. Destiny just finally reminded me what it was to have fun in a game instead of feeling like a chore. I'm disappointed that there won't be any real vehicle play, but I'll survive lol. The lack of players who understand dropship vs AV balance, and the amount of those who just regurgitate garbage just makes me want to puke. Beyond done trying to make sense of it, I'm just moving on. I'm not even excited for Legion anymore because by the time that comes out, No Mans Sky will be out, and Star Citizen will either be out or will soon be out at that point. DUST has turned me off entirely from all CCP products for the foreseeable future Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3053	Posted - 2014.08.14 21:36:00 - [60] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: I don't support a program that has never once produced results that shows the devs listen to anything the players have ever said. The fact you haven't seen the results does not mean they are not there. You see the failures, because the failures are when CCP ignores the CPM and does dumb things. You don't see the successes. Why not? Because the successes were usually preventing something bad from happening in the first place. Nobody can tell you what was going to happen, but it didn't happen, thanks to the CPM. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.



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